Kanturk deaths - Greed , Pure and Simple !

With regard to the OP, I heard the report on the day of the coroners inquest. What struck me was that we might only be hearing one side of the story. Apparently the father & son left suicide notes that presumably explained their part and reasoning. I could be wrong but it was reported that the contents of these were not disclosed to the inquest. On other hand, we heard accounts from the murdered brother and deceased mother.

So I wouldn't be drawing too many conclusions as to motive and so on without at least considering the other side of the grievances.

If I can't have it all then you can't either mentality

Correction, we heard one side of the story. It doesn't matter what you think of the actions of the father & son - they must have had some grievance as to how things stood, that drove them to take drastic action. I'd hope and assume that their reasoning & explanation is available to family on all sides and known to neighbours etc. But we as a public can draw NO conclusions on only hearing one side of the story. To do otherwise is foolish speculation.

Picking up a gun to solve this problem isn't reasoning, it's losing your reason, being deranged.

Why did the pair of them kill themselves I wonder. Probably a bit of a "what have I done" type situation. Scary that it went so far in the end.

Just speculating here, could this terrible tragedy have been avoided

If the mother or solicitor son had notified the Gardai that they were in fear for their lives

The solicitor was sending texts to his friends telling them of this, the fact that he was a solicitor he would have the legal knowledge what do do in situations like this

Sometimes I think it can be fear and pride, people don't want the local gardai to know what's going on behind closed doors, and abuse thrives on secrecy, even though a cousin did go to the gardai and alerted them of how serious the situation was.

Also read that the wife an only child, only inherited the farm in 2013 following her mothers death, strange it wasn't signed over long before that, so there is a message in that too imo.

Her husband's name was never added to it, it was on the wife's name, he had his own farm which he inherited, much smaller acerage and poorer land same here, only his name on this farm

Neighbours would say the couple rarely went anywhere or spent any money on home improvements despite the two good incomes and income from letting the land.

There is a strong possibility her cousin with whom they stayed with, will possibly get it, then who would want that legacy, some would say there is no luck in the place.

3 members in one family murdered

Heard of and read about another farm feud where a farmer who lived with his widowed mother, sister and brother, wanted to marry a local girl

In those days a dowry was expected to pay off the others still living at home, the bride to be hadn't the amount required for the dowry so again a lot of rows and bitterness at home and all 4 living off the farm and under the one roof.

The son who was to marry the local girl decided he was going to put a stop to all the rows, and he was going to marry the love of his life regardless.

he told the neighbours that the mother, brother and sister had to go to another County in an emergency to help with sick relatives, and would be staying to help for some time, no phones people knew no better.

He murdered his brother and sister and got his brother in law to be to kill his mother, then emigrated with his wife.

Some years the well where the bodies were buried, dried up, so digging and repair works started, and up came the three bodies.

The gardai followed him to New Zeland where he settled with his wife and family, he tried to deny it but the death penalty was served after a court hearing,

This story has been published and there was a documentary on TG 4 about it some years ago, sorry for the long thread.

Their reasoning doesn’t mean ****. The whole family is dead because of them. I don’t ever want to hear their side, they’re deranged

But if the situation was the father and son only took their own lives with the same notes in their pockets outlining their greivances.... it would turn the spotlight on the mother and remaining son for not trying to resolve the issues that were there.

Wrong thread. This one is for torch and pitchfork fanatics only. Nobody is interested in why this happened.

Learn what? How to not be a greedy cnut and kill yourself and your family after you don’t get what you want? The only thing to learn is how not to behave when your mother is after being given a terminal diagnosis

And thats not even a lesson 99.9% of people need to learn.

And if you are part of the 0.1% then you need to get help.