New Irish Government website promoting thejournal.ie as a credible "fact checking" service

08-08-2021 12:16am #1

I find this a little bit disturbing to be honest. Trashy tabloid site the journal.ie, that's been pumped full of government money the past 17 months is now a credible fact checker according to the Irish state https://www.bemediasmart.ie/tips

francois · 08-08-2021 9:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058202858/new-irish-government-website-promoting-thejournal-ie-as-a-credible-fact-checking-service

Have you read any of their fact checking on covid misinformation? They've presented excellent evidence and debunked a lot of stuff surrounding anti vaxx social media posts.

bennyl10 · 08-08-2021 9:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058202858/new-irish-government-website-promoting-thejournal-ie-as-a-credible-fact-checking-service

Have you any actual link that their fact checker articles have been incorrect?

Because over the pandemic their stuff has been terrific in tackling the anti vax nonsense!

Arent the journal privately funded also?

boombang · 08-08-2021 9:50am

I remember an article they published in the CervicalCheck controversy where they got a key detail incorrect that changed the complexion of the issue completely. In fairness, when I emailed the author to point out the error he changed it.

nullObjects · 08-08-2021 10:18am

Their explainer podcast episodes are well researched and impartial as well. They give both sides of what they are discussing when they need to

08-08-2021 10:34am

They're actually on a list of certified fact check sites so they're well regarded in this respect.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poynter_Institute

Dempo1 · 08-08-2021 10:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058202858/new-irish-government-website-promoting-thejournal-ie-as-a-credible-fact-checking-service

The Journal to its credit has been very cautious in its over all coverage of the Pandemic generally and one of the few outlets that regularly does fact checking articles.

Whilst some of the comments sections are amusing, bewildering and quite offensive, they've choose freedom of speech over censorship albeit they do remove, delete some outlandish and offensive comments.

The Daily case numbers drives a certain cohort wild with anger no matter how large or small, these are the very same people who think Vacination (I am most definitely pro) cures covid completely. Rather strange mix of people to be honest.

crooked cockney villain · 08-08-2021 10:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722689#Comment_117722689

No they haven't. Their checks consist of an absolute avalanche of disinformation, pages and pages, that comes out with the result they wanted.

They have been "fact checking" long before Covid,, I once contacted them and asked them would they run a fact check on whether the allegations made against Ibrahim Halawa were mostly correct.

They never responded, because they won't fact check anything that comes up with the "wrong" answer.

listermint · 08-08-2021 10:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722878#Comment_117722878

None of that's true though is it .

crooked cockney villain · 08-08-2021 10:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722880#Comment_117722880

The only legitimate fact checking service in Ireland is gript.ie . Their breakdowns of the facts behind the hysterical Covid stats are groundbreaking- they were the first outlet to point out that Covid hospitalisation figures do not necessarily refer to people brought in in an ambulance coughing their lungs up, but are doctored so as to include asymptomatic people who test positive on admission or contract Covid while in hospital.

They also pointed out how a NPHET report solely blaming pubs for a September surge completely omitted any effect re opening colleges and schools had in September.

Only the tip of the iceberg of the scams NPHET have run, and only one media outlet willing to point it out.

dudley72 · 08-08-2021 10:55am

The journal is no worse than the misinformation fired out daily from political parties all over ireland

If you are trawling the internet to look for something to get disturbed about I would think this is mighty low for 99.99% of people

08-08-2021 11:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722901#Comment_117722901

When you say gript is a reliable source of anything, your credibility goes out the window.

Annasopra · 08-08-2021 11:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058202858/new-irish-government-website-promoting-thejournal-ie-as-a-credible-fact-checking-service

Can you give us some more details on this 17 month government funding?

dog_pig · 08-08-2021 11:56am

Did Sinéad O'Carroll of thejournal.ie ever clarify her position on the allegations made against those teachers in Carlow? Or does she pick and choose which facts are checked?

crooked cockney villain · 08-08-2021 12:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117723077#Comment_117723077

When he got his republican youth movement names mixed up? That was hilarious, Eirigi and Saoradh activists going on as if 98% of the population actually know/ care who they are.

08-08-2021 12:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117723178#Comment_117723178

And the made up nurse? So far it's seeming like he's an outright liar... So not exactly trustworthy...

crooked cockney villain · 08-08-2021 12:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117723220#Comment_117723220

I've no idea about the nurse thing. Like all things from the Repeal side probably a nothing story. McGuirk is a fine commentator whether you like it or not.

08-08-2021 12:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117723239#Comment_117723239

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/03/14/its-amateur-hour-at-save-the-8-towers/

Meanwhile here's John Mcguirk pushing what are not real qualifications.

https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/971092670394269696?s=19

So an absolute liar.

Richard Hillman · 08-08-2021 12:48pm

The only things that they fact check are things that are bat-**** crazy that no sane person believed anyway or stuff that goes with their narrative.

It should be noted too that before Covid, The Journal were pleading for donations and since Covid (and Covid government advertising) they seem to be fine again.

There has been some very dubious stuff going on over the last year or so with the media.

08-08-2021 1:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117723276#Comment_117723276

RTE made their largest profit since the Celtic Tiger days last year. Covid has been VERY good for legacy media, it's absolutely no wonder why they are the biggest cheerleaders for NPHET and lockdowns

MontgomeryClift · 08-08-2021 10:06pm

The Journal's "Debunked" section is an exercise in gaslighting.

When you read the detail of those articles, they generally debunk some random person on Twitter, or find some inconsequential inaccuracies in an article that dissents from establishment narrative, then claim the whole thing has been "debunked."

dudley72 · 08-08-2021 10:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117723393#Comment_117723393

Of course they did, if anything covid proved than a country like ireland needs a national tv station to connect with the people in an emergency

What they don’t need is 2FM, old

US series and plenty of the other trimmings that come with Rte.

Annasopra · 09-08-2021 12:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117723056#Comment_117723056

So thats a no then..... kinda ironic

StupidLikeAFox · 09-08-2021 12:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117725622#Comment_117725622

A few examples would be nice

MontgomeryClift · 09-08-2021 11:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117726196#Comment_117726196

The two they have up there at the moment are perfect examples. The first debunks a Twitter account, and the second a post on Facebook.

StupidLikeAFox · 09-08-2021 2:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117727313#Comment_117727313

I had a look - if you are talking about the two most recent ones they are using a tweet and a Facebook post as an example of misinformation that is doing the rounds

crooked cockney villain · 10-08-2021 5:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117723077#Comment_117723077

I'm just listening to Matt Cooper there, and Eoin O'Broin just stated that the rental crisis ran out of control under the tutelage of four separate housing ministers, who he named.

One minister he named was Eoghan Harris.

Now of course, he meant Eoghan Murphy. Nonetheless, for making a similar slip of the tongue as McGuirk did when he mixed up his waste of space youth movements, should Today FM be paying compo to that weird old journalist fella over this one?

10-08-2021 5:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117734091#Comment_117734091

Tad different to accusing a group of murder. Weirdly not addressing the fake nurse..

crooked cockney villain · 10-08-2021 5:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117734105#Comment_117734105

I couldn't care less about the fake nurse. The medical body advising our government has delivered fake statistics, fake reports, fake alarmism, yet the people on the left most in love with lockdowns think McGuirk shouldn't be given a public forum because of some incident three years ago nobody gives a shyte about.

10-08-2021 5:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117734126#Comment_117734126

Kk, so you couldn't care less about facts, explains the love of gript though. And are now claiming medical experts are lying for some unclear reason. Conspiracy theories galore.

10-08-2021 5:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117734091#Comment_117734091

That's not what McGuirk did, he claimed and provided "evidence" that someone was a nurse when they weren't. He has plenty of form for stuff like this, and idiots believing him.

New Irish Government website promoting thejournal.ie as a credible "fact checking" service

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