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Why don't some cyclists use cycle lanes?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭thesimpsons


    new cycle lane installed outside my house in recent years - there is no way to get out of it at the end of the 750m unless you go on to the footpath or get off the bike and walk through a tiny gap. It has deeply recessed rainwater shore covers (the grids type ones) every 100m and is currently badly in need of hedge trimming, but hey, it all counts in the council's xkm of countywide cycle lanes so they get their kudos for that. I sent the council photos of the debris on the cycle lane - they are still scheduling cleaning despite 5 reminders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid



    Yes, that's me, and I still can't understand why it's preferable to cycle slowly up a steep enough hill with a bus chugging along behind you, trying to overtake, when you could just nip in to the cycle lane, completely separated from the traffic, and merge back in when safe to do so when you get to the top of the hill.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    You might think that, but you'd be wrong... /waves at @07Lapierre

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    This might help explain why they might not be used

    People in Galway may be familiar with Doughiska and it's completely stupid cycle lanes...

    DSC001221[1].jpg




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    That Galway photo is hard to look at! The council must be very proud of their work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    hill?

    Heh. :-)

    In fairness, I think I've seen you post average cycle speeds of 50kmh? Speeds that made me raise an eyebrow, anyway. So no bother to you, I'm sure, or anyone who is properly fit but yes, that's a hill, certainly to someone as unfit as I currently am, and certainly to some of the cyclists I see regularly there going reeeallly slowly up the hill.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    That is just bizarre! Why would the normal rules of the road not apply there - traffic coming on to the main road has to yield to traffic on the road (including cyclists)? Presumably cars coming onto the road do have to yield to cars anyway?

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    definitely not me doing 50km/h average, that'd be superhuman.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    The cycle lane is not on the road so cyclists are expected to yield at every junction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,912 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    It's a classic really. Got international attention as well.

    Part of the rationale was to make cyclists give way to the drivers, I assume. They definitely have to yield in any interpretation of the rules, I think, based on all the yield triangles.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    that's an insanely common feature of irish cycle paths though. cyclists who are proceeding straight on being instructed to yield to traffic coming from lesser side roads.

    often it's simply achieved by making the cycle lane 'disappear'; as in 'we're not even going to try to make an effort to manage how cyclists cross':

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.2764484,-6.1879376,3a,46.2y,176.97h,87.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sn4X27L9eSpI5jsBsYkEwmQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,665 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    When commuting I generally use them (even the N11!) except for one spot that throws you out in an awful position having ceded priority.

    I carry on why a cyclist might use the road - generally full of crap (my experience is far more likely to puncture in a cycle lane than on the road), shared use or de facto shared use which isn't appropriate at any kind of speed, the ceding of priority, parked cars, awful exit points, other road users taking the space before looking to see if anyone is coming...

    The tl:dr is they're designed by people who don't cycle, who just want people who do out of the way of cars (and to tick boxes).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    and they're a piece of piss to install; you don't need to do any engineering or redesign of the road, just retrofit a cycle lane with some paint and maybe replace the grass verge with tarmac. they're often putting cyclists in a space which was never designed to accomodate them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,403 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Well I can’t be arsed explaining it to you again… but if you didn’t understand the first time, I guess there’s no point.



  • Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Here's a new one near me up a slight hill, solid white and a dead end. What's not to love? The only reason those ones get built is to satisfy planning for new developments. There are many more in the area.

    cyclelane.jpg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,389 ✭✭✭cletus


    Having seen some new bike lanes go in locally, I'm pretty sure the fellas putting in the footpaths are told anywhere a path goes, put in a section of bike lane too. Unfortunately, that seems to be as far as the planning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    There needs to be some basic national standards, surely. Specifying things like minimum widths, and basic logic/cop-on around safety standards, such as "You've got a cycle lane that needs to exit onto a road? Right, it needs to do so cyclists can do so safely!" Isn't this the sort of thing the RSA should be all over? Maybe if a cycling lobby group were to approach them?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    You're right, there's absolutely no point explaining to me why it's big or clever to huff and puff your bike slowly up a bus lane on a hill, with a 20-tonne double decker a metre behind your rear wheel the whole time, when there's an alternative a metre away, separated by a stone wall; nor why it's fine for adult cyclists to cycle on narrow city centre footpaths.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,403 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    North strand is city centre. That lane is on a narrow footpath…in fact that’s all it is a narrow footpath. As for huffing and puffing up a hill while holding up a bus? So what? Do it often enough and you’ll get fitter.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    That's not a cycle lane. It's a footpath someone painted a bicycle on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid



    A footpath that's between 1.5 and 1.9 metres wide, not even counting the cycle lane, is not "narrow." And I can huff and puff up that cycle lane (and get fitter!) without a 20-tonne bus up my arse. But I thought you weren't going to bother continuing this conversation?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,403 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    I lied! Any bus driver that can’t overtake you is a crap driver and shouldn’t be driving a bus. See your not the problem on the road, it’s crap bus drivers that drive up the arse of slow cyclists that need the kick up the arse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Strangely enough, the lanes on the M50 only exist as lanes because someone painted those lanes on. Most motor traffic still seems to manage to understand that they're separate lanes, most of the time. I've seen this "paint isn't infrastructure" thing on a lot of social media, but actually, it usually is.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    You can't create a motorway just with paint though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭Gary Scrod


    They are too busy using footpaths if the AH thread is anything to go by.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    ...and yet drivers manage to crash into each other on it?!?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,517 ✭✭✭Outkast_IRE


    Back to the main topic , as someone who commuted by bike for along time I didn't use them alot of the time as

    1. They started and ended haphazardly and in some instances forced you to hit a button and wait and a pedestrian crossing while traffic alongside you in the same direction flowed freely.

    2. Poorly maintained and half the lane taken up by a drain .

    3. Full of debris and never cleaned .

    4. Cars obstructing them regularly forcing you out into traffic anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,773 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Would you be happy with replacing the oul safety barriers in the middle of the M50 with a painted seperator?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Breezer


    An update. I got a slow puncture after doing this. I suppose I could have gotten it anywhere, but I’ve done the same route minus that cycle lane every day for the last 3 years, and that’s my first puncture.



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