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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Done it many times and 7/10 times I would detour to go across one of the other Liffey bridges, or park in Irishtown or Ringsend, walk home and walk back for the car later. Ye are making up every excuse for a route that is often less inefficient for motoring than walking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Please show where you get the 114% from. It doesn’t seem to be on the DCC report. There is mention of 36% f or Seperntine Avenue and Tritonville road, but nothing anywhere near as big is 114%. So your source would be appreciated

    https://councilmeetings.dublincity.ie/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=29468



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,183 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Flynn has started to talk about a bunch of follow on cases against existing infrastructure:


    There's something pathological about it at this stage. How many cases has he taken or threatened to take over infrastructure concerns which were unrelated to cycling?



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There is a disproportionate number of elderly people in Sandymount. Have you lived on Strand Road? I have.

    Have you experienced the biting wind coming in from the bay during the Winter months. I have.

    I have experienced all these things which I know will have an impact on those living in the area affected by the proposed changed and will ensure that the cycle path will not be used to the extent which some fanatics here imagine.

    Despite all this you pour scorn on my contribution and as you are the moderator you know you can act with impunity. I'd prefer to be labelled "dumb" than "biased and oppressive". You haven't silenced me yet because you are enjoying insulting me with no consequence.

    My valid observations which were collected over years of living and participating in that community are dismissed as inanity and faux interest.

    Again I say, you are not fit to be a contributor here much less a moderator.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    My grandparents if still alive would think it as very soft to let a bit of a chill stop them getting out and about. Only one of them drove, the rest walked and cycled everywhere. Elderly people are hardier than many young bucks today.



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  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tell that to my Landlord who had to cut short his holiday last week because despite getting a newly fitted pacemaker was feeling exhausted.

    Tell that to a diabetic OAP e.g. a significant minority if not majority of them who will collapse when their blood sugar level drops after heavy exertion.

    Tell that to my Aunt recovering from a hip replacemernt.

    You are claiming they are able bodied and you are happy to let them figure out how to get home via a more circuitous route from Blackrock or St. Vincents after an all to regular visit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    My father had 2 hip replacements in 3 months and the surgeon recommended cycling to aid it heal. He has no bother with his hips now.

    Every excuse from you on behalf of others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    The outrage at cycling infrastructure is the same as the outrage when Dublin Bikes first appeared, and when Bleeper et all introduced dockless bikes. I well remember people horrified at the idea, and saying Dublin would become like China, where a capitalist free-for-all and collapsing bike hire companies had left piles of discarded bikes strewn over cities. Fearful drivers be fearful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    Well if they’re driving anyway they only need to drive a few more minutes.



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You are going to love the scooters when they arrive. They are strewn like litter all over the town here where few are considerately parked and fewer still parked upright. My initial enthusiasm for them has waned but the local bike system works well because bikes must be deposited at the stations and aren't operated for profit or advertising. I use the bikes. I don't use the scooters.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Regardless of the outcome of this court case, it has never been up to STC and local residents as to whether or not they will "tolerate" the diverted traffic. They are not their roads.

    Local residents complain about almost every change in road layout suggested. They should be listened to as one stakeholder but that is it



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    When you commit to accusing a poster of being dumb you need to either back down or double down. You've obviosuly chosen to double down because there are no consequences to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    Oh god. Tearing up cycling infrastructure would really turn us into an international outlier. What can realistically be done to stop this from happening? Are DCC definitely appealing the recent decision? Can legislative change protect cycling and walking improvements? I honestly find this so depressing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    Page 3 and page 15 of High Court Judgement

    Page 13 of NTA/ERM Traffic Analysis Report,

    Page 18 of Final Report on Strand Road Public Consultation

    In fact in Justice Meenan judgement he posited - again on pg 15 of judgement that in fact the figure of 114% increase on northbound traffic may possibly be a higher figure given the new right hand turn from Strand Road onto Merrion Road.

    I have no doubt NTA/DCC did not include traffic from this new turning and that Justice Meenan is correct.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    If escooters are strewn all over streets it's because good parking isn't provided from them.

    All this elderly stuff; I should mention that I'm a pensioner, for fair disclosure. Thanks for wanting to defend me from the scary bicycles, but I feel safer and healthier where there's good cycling infrastructure and I can use it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    I am fairly confident that the Strand Rd plan will be thrown out, be it by the courts, the outrage of local residents or by political intervention. It is simply too daft, disruptive and disproportionate to be tolerated.

    It remains to be seen if Keegan survives the humiliation. At a minimum, I expect to see more oversight and restrictions being imposed on local Councils and ego driven CEOs.

    Hopefully that will be the end of it and we can get back to balanced and properly thought through ways to cater for all road users, including cyclists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭BabysCoffee


    "Elderly people" are cyclists too.

    My mother (who you would probably consider elderly) cycles regularly......after having a hip replacement maybe about 6 yrs ago.

    I intend to cycle forever and am hopeful that there will eventually be safe cycling infrastructure in Dublin to support me in this aim.

    What have you got against older people that you want to get us off our bikes??



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wish you good health in to your advanced years although it is unfortunately no certainty. High Health Insurance premiums are a testament to this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    By balanced you mean no investment in cycling infrastructure or at most painting a line over some potholes and then allowing range rovers to park in it I assume?



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't think you understand the Scooter hire model if you think that parking slots are provided for them. They are left anywhere. It was initially the case that they were collected, charged and redistributed overnight to maximise utility. Those older model scooters have now been replaced and they now just find them, swap battery and leave them where ever they were. I can see the cost saving for the operator who previously had to scour the city with a van and trailer. It is now perfect gig-economy work where not even a van and trailer are needed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    Then what cycling infrastructure is acceptable to you?



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    I use bikes(both my own which is standing less than 2 metres from me and shared bike service which is available from an app on my phone) but I am aware that a shared resource such as a road can't be monopolised by one form of transport. That is what is being proposed here; if you wish to travel in one direction then you must use a bike and that means that effectively travel in both directions is prevented for others as most people wish to return to where they come from without great hindrance.

    There are a number of interested parties here. There are those passing through who have a legitmate interest. There are residents, There are motorists. There are pedestrians. There are cyclists. There are residents who are motorists, cyclists and pedestians all combined and the only people being entertained on this thread are the subset of fanatic cyclists who bear a deep animosity to anyone who speaks up against their attempt to grab preferential access to a shared resource to the exclusion of others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,135 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    ".....we can back to balanced and properly thought through ways to cater for all road users...."

    We can't go back to something that never existed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭BabysCoffee


    Thanks for the good wishes, I reckon I am doing good things for my future health and well being by staying on my bike as long as I can in to the future on safe protected cycle lanes (I hope).

    I ask you again, as you did not respond to my previous question, what have you got against older people that you want to get us off our bikes??



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The Clontarf cycle lane is off road and it didnt involve closing off half of the road to Howth.

    Clontarf is a lovely location with a variety of business on the seafront.

    There is nothing on the seafront in Sandymount, I dont think there is even a chip shop.It wont attract new cyclists or families as when families head to a beach they load the car. Parents will not bring their children cycling on the Merrion Road to a cycle lane in Sandymount, you do not have the right to put your children on bikes in dangerous situations, there are plenty of other safe outdoor activities you can drive or take public transport to.

    It



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,183 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    did the council have to apply for planning permission in relation to the five axle ban?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Infrastructure that allows both cyclists and motor vehicles to go about their business and leisure, without treating it as a zero sum exercise.

    That might take planning, time and some money but it is what good public administration involves.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl




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  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have nothing against the elderly. I hope to be one. I live in a very mature neighbourhood where there are few young families and it is somewhat similar to Sandymount except considerably more salubrious. As family members and relatives age it is clear to me that health fails and cycling is simply not an option. Those known to me would be confined to home without the benefit of their own private transport which happens to be a car.

    We've been through a year when the liberties of the majority of society were restricted considerably to ensure the welfare of the aged yet fanatic cyclists don't care a jot about effectively turning these people in to prisoners in their own homes.



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