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New 2021 Assistant Principal in the Civil Service

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Toulouse




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭floorpie


    Under which competence should I use "consistently able to submit applications 10 seconds before the deadline" as an example



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭never_mind




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭Kenrach


    The application form q1 and q2 request an outline of significant experience. Q3 request a specific example. I gave an outline of my experience for q1 and 2 for 2020 comp, 2018 comp and this new comp. Form was shortlisted by a shortlisting panel (2018) and by online video (2020). Currently waiting for etray results and confident that I will be prepping for assessment tests for 2021 comp. 🙏😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 OllieDro


    Thank you for taking the time to give that insight into the AP role. Sounds a little daunting to be the sage by six months ! Thought you could get away with being the ‘newby’ a bit longer!! 😜

    Best of luck to everyone 🤞



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭HartsHat


    At the end of the day, it's a senior management grade and you'll need to have answers for Ministers, A/Secs, and POs when they come looking for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭Pronto63


    Just returned from annual leave and saw the email announcing this.

    My manager never forwarded it on and the competition is now closed.

    Has this happened to anyone previously?

    is there any wriggle room for late applications in a case like this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭donnyvegas




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Cheeseplant


    Oh that is awful. How thoughtless of your manager. Have you taken it up with them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭HartsHat


    I would say no chance.

    Ultimately the responsibility lies with you to be aware of competitions. Plenty of Depts don't even send emails for competitions (only putting them on intranet).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭Pronto63


    Not yet

    only discovered this yesterday.

    The reason for posting here was to see if there was any precedent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Ouch! Occasionally circulars come around that say "Please bring this to the attention of your staff that may be on leave" but that's almost always for internal/confined competitions. PAS published multiple competitions every day, though. Your best bet for the future is to subscribe to their job alerts emails for categories you're interested in, using your personal email address rather than a work one.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 squelch666




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 OscarBluth


    Just wondering: I applied for this for last week's deadline (external candidate, first time applying to the civil service) and found some v helpful info going through old threads, which all seemed to imply some sort of timeline for the next steps would be in the handbook. I didn't see anything like that in this handbook, and I'm wondering if anyone has any idea what likely timelines will be both for next stages in recruitment and the likely placement of people on the panel?

    I know one person who applied in March 2020 and was placed in April this year: I'm wondering if that's typical, or if it is at all possible it could be much quicker than that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 AP2021


    Mostly depends on where you rank.


    Assuming this runs the same as the 2020 comp (and no guarantees there), you can expect the first stage (online tests) in the next 4-5 weeks with results 5-6 weeks later.


    After that how fast you move is dependent on how high you rank. You could be high enough that you're called forward in the first batch, or you could wait a year or more to be called forward. Once you get to stage 2, and assuming you proceed successfully through stages 3+4, you could be placed on a panel within 10-12 weeks from then.


    How quickly you're reached on the panel is impossible to predict, depends on how fast vacancies arise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 OscarBluth


    Thank you @AP2021

    So then, even in a magical world where someone ranked at the top of the panel (not currently sure my answers on the form would get me to next round!) there is basically zero chance of being placed this side of November? For work reasons, if I were to be successful, it would be really valuable to know this before then as there will be changes made to my current role/ additional recruitment undertaken that would be done very differently if I were to leave. I would feel a bit guilty if basically a lot of changes were made based on me staying in my role and then I hand in my resignation a few weeks or even a month or two later.

    Not the end of the world, but I was idly daydreaming about how helpful it would be to know by then and wondering if there was any chance it could happen that way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭Moving2017


    Hi, the booklet doesn't appear to be linked anymore, could you send it to me by DM or re-link it please?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭2021_AP




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭Moving2017




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭lucat


    There is no chance this competition will be concluded by November considering all the stages to it and a month or so between each one. In fact it mentions March 2022 in the booklet if I remember correctly, and that sounds about right.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Cheeseplant


    yep the current panel in place until Mar 2022 so I guess no one will come off this panel before then unless 2020 competition is exhausted.

    I think the first batch of 2020 candidates were placed around October 2020 but as far as I remember, we got the results of the assessment tests in July last year so this competition is running a few months behind that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 marley83


    Hi! This will be my third attempt at the AP competition 🤞. There are great tips in this thread, thank you!

    Do you think the same provider/platform will be used for the online test again? (I never score as well I'd like in the online test).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭Pronto63




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 NEWBIEGRL8


    Hi

    I’m am an AP in a Public Sector organisation wishing to get back into the main Civil Service as an AP. I was told by my HR dept that I would have to do the AP competition, go through the same process and try get on a panel and that I cannot go on a transfer list.

    Does anyone know is this correct or have a friend or colleague in the same position as myself?

    Many thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭HartsHat


    What does your contract say? Does it say you're an AP in the civil service?


    First port of call should be the AHCPS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Are you not eligible for the Mobility scheme, which incorporated APs from last March? Check the details of that on PeoplePoint. If HR are adamant, then get on to the AHCPS.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭Kirbi


    As far as I know, they're right. At least, it definitely doesn't come under Mobility; properly called Civil Service Mobility, it doesn't cater for the wider Public Service at all.

    There are sometimes officers in PS orgs who are civil servants themselves, but those are generally due to secondment. If you entered a PS org through open competition, then you can't apply for CS transfers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    It depends on what kind of public sector organisation you're talking about - many are agencies set up and/or working under the aegis of a line department, and are fully staffed by "line" civil servants, who should have the same rights as any other civil servant. Others, granted, are more "separate"/indpendent NGOs that can recruit directly.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 441 ✭✭je551e


    Any idea as to when we will hear something?TIA



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 AP2021


    Impossible to tell. Could be tomorrow, could be the second week in September. Depends on capacity, prioritisation, and planning in PAS.

    If I'd to guess based on previous comps I would say week of 23 August



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