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Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Who, exactly, are you calling "cowardly", and why are you doing so? What do you hope to gain from it?

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  • Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You mean their period suddenly occurred earlier than it was due?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    For someone who says

    I find it hard to debate anything with someone who immediately throws stupid inappropriate labels


    It's a little ironic to follow up with the likes of

    It seems the first thing the cowardly contingent (tm) reach for now is the 'antivax' card...

    and

    just look at some of the idiots in this thread, it'll have support from the cowardly.

    Pot, kettle, black? 🙄

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  • Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So that is a no then?

    Nothing to say why your (uneducated?) opinion trumps scientific consensus?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,507 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Do remember that you're seeing anecdotal evidence, this is not being borne out in the figures and no issues have been noted for pregnant women with over 100,000 babies safely born after the mothers were vaccinated (in the US alone).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,705 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Oh forget it



  • Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They are going to face covid at some point in their lives.

    Vaccination is the safest way to teach an immune system how to deal with a novel disease.

    There is small risks to children of both getting infected and getting vaccinating.

    Bottom line we will all (children included) probably come face to face covid in the future.

    Better to be prepared in some way than not.

    All the other positives are less clear:

    Herd immunity.

    Mental health of anxious children.



  • Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sure. I assume that they have their research just open for the world to see.

    It's amazing that they never seem to publish papers for review.


    Concerned citizen...


    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    You might want to cover your eyes if you stumble into the Vaccine Side Effects thread. Clearly, those people talking in any even slightly disparaging way about any negative impact whatsoever from our beloved vaccines must just all clearly be unwitting patsies, doing the bidding of the anti vaccine scum having swallowed their misinformation hook line and sinker!

    There is absolutely no alternative, and no middle ground, they are just out there spreading lies! Bastards!

    Now let's get to work on them kids..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    If you were capable of pointing out where you think that scientific communities consensus differed from my view (and Prof Karina Butler's) that parents should have the say in whether if their own kids should get the vaccine, i'd be glad to explain it to you (with crayons if need be).

    Obviously you are not capable of this as you have failed to address it, or anything in any my posts actually.

    I understand you are probably embarrassed and that's okay but as you have repeated yourself 5 times now with no substance or input at all, I would request that you let it go for the sake of the flow of the thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Sure thing brother. Via lessoning symptoms.

    On a related note on the effectiveness of this - I'm currently living in a country with the highest rate of vaccination in Europe and I think 2nd highest in the world. Malta declared herd immunity back in May.

    Here's two graphs. The first one showing that the vaccines work - 100% they do work (at their intended purpose - lessoning symptoms and keeping people alive). You can see the deaths are basically on the floor now and staying that way.

    The second one shows the rates of infections over the same time period. Note again this is post 70% fully vaccinated and 80+ on one shot.

    Unfortunately I do not have a statistics Ph.D so I wouldn't dare draw any conclusion from this data. I'll leave that to you smart guys to decipher, and hopefully consider it when you are harping on about how vaccinating kids will somehow halt transmission (I won't hold my breath though).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭bladespin



    TBH Pregnant women aren't being told to take the vaccine, they're pretty much left on the fence to decide for themselves, the HSE and Pre Natal care we've experienced were all very hesitant to recommend or discourage, it all boiled down to 'it's up to you', so we left it for now.


    Also, re the hundreds of thousands of babies in the US from vaccinated mothers, wouldn't it take much longer than this for potential issues to present, surely it would be years before they could be used as a recommendation? All this really shows is that the pregnancy was not affected, not the child.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    I believe that's changed now, as per Professor Peter McKenna on 28 July, pregnant women in Ireland are now actively encouraged to get vaccinated.

    12 - 15 year olds are currently in that 'offered a vaccine' bracket though, despite the hardcore movement in this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,705 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Again, you are lying. This is why people call you an anti vaxxer, because you repeatedly lie about vaccine effectiveness.

    The mRNA vaccines have been shown to be highly effective in greatly reducing any type of Covid infection, not just symptomatic.

    I just can't figure out your motivation, especially if you don't even live here??

    Edit : I looked up your "Malta declared herd immunity in May" claim. You're correct, they did. However, they did so having only given 70% of their adult population a first dose. So huge swathes of the population were still not fully vaccinated and they totally jumped the gun. But you knew that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Don't get why you've obsessed with May, the spike is in July - with over 80% fully vaccinated.

    But keep reaching you'll get there some day.

    Nice edit too nice to see you calmed down a bit with the name calling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,705 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    You brought up May?

    The spike is in July because of the Delta variant, reopening and the fact that 25-30% of the population are not fully vaccinated.

    I don't have to reach chief. People are getting the vaccines. We are winning. You and your lunatic fringe are losing. Still, there will always be another bizarre crusade so keep the chin up. Hey, what about water fluoridation? That might work for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Lunatic fringe - right, and here I am vaccinated and stating over and over again that vaccines work. I'm happy to see successful roll outs.

    On the other hand you support the same but also live in an alternative universe where you deny things you don't like to see, despite them being supported by data and plain as day evidence.

    Here is Gibraltar btw, on 100% vaccinated. You'll be scratching your head for a while I imagine..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,705 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    100% vaccination?? Are there no children in this Gibraltar of which you speak?

    This isn't the same Gibraltar, that's only accessible via Spain and has thousands of people going back and forth across the border every day?

    I must do some research on this childless biosecure bubble Gibraltar. Every day is a school day I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    It's almost like those people going back and forth could transmit Covid to the vaccinated populous there. But then, according to you that's impossible.

    And btw before you misquote me again, this is not me saying that vaccines don't work. This is me saying they do work and work well, as intended. Deaths and hospitalisations are still a flat line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,705 ✭✭✭Former Former Former




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    73% of yesterdays cases were vaccinated - https://www.gbc.gi/news/there-are-26-new-confirmed-cases-covid-19-gibraltar-today-all-them-resident-and-19-them-vaccinated .

    Try again.

    I'm all for vaccinations, but for the right reasons not exaggerations that aren't supported by the evidence.

    Vaccines can reduce transmission by reducing symptoms, this would support vaccinating children if kids got symptoms, but mostly they don't. So it's a falsehood representation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    So due to the 3 people in a day having a bad reaction, compared to the thousands in a day who are just fine, you think it's a bad idea of younger people to get a vaccine?

    I assume you feel this way about all things in life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    My husband can't get bloods taken, and has major issues with needles. He nearly passed out when he was with me getting bloods taken when I was pregnant. Twice in the past 5 years when he's gone for bloods he's blacked out and woken up with an entire medical team around him trying to revive him.

    ^^^

    Both times were well before his covid vaccinations - his system just cannot cope with blood draws and it shuts down. But this can happen to some people, and it's important to realise that the cause may not be the vaccine itself but the individuals reaction to needles causing a sudden drop in blood pressure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,176 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    If they worked vaccinating from 50 to 80 year olds they'd have probably seen that already, what's worrying them it that it's new



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    My kids have had all of their childhood vaccines, boosters etc. We also sought out and paid out of our own pocket in 2018 (€320.00 for two doses) of the Meningitis B vaccine for our eldest son, as it wasn't included in his infant schedule. And Meningitis IS a child killing/maiming disease.

    But they will not be getting the Covid vaccine. As far as we can see, the risks from the vaccine far outweigh the risk of Covid itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,480 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    @zxanti wrote

    the risks from the vaccine far outweigh the risk of Covid itself

    Why do you think this?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    Because I have eyes in my head and I can read the VAERS data.

    Children are not dying from Covid. Granted no child has died from the vaccine, but they haven't started vaccinating them yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    But kids Aged 12+ have been vaccinated in other Countries such as US, Canada, Israel, France etc. As well as certain children 12+ in Ireland such as those directly by Pfizer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Wetbench4




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