We landed on Mars... again? [Mod note post #1]

Flat Earthers generally believe that there's no such thing as the South Pole and that Antarctica is really just a giant ice wall that encircles the disc of Earth.

So Marky here claiming that all Antarctic expeditions are also fake is very much in line with flat earth beliefs.

Haven't heard if Flat Earthers have any specific beliefs about Everest, but I'm sure they believe something wacky.

LOL 😄

Bezos now seeking to go to the moon in 2024!

Why 2024 and not right this instant? It took the US less than a decade to allegedly go to the moon with the crude equipment and technology they had in the 1960s and that was without the benefit of knowing if it was even possible. Why will it take them 3 years to do something that was done repeatedly with 100% success over 50 years ago? The questions that keep me up at night!

Also, why does he need NASA to get him there? Surely he could do this himself without the help? Not sure how much help NASA would be anyway - they lost all the technology to go to the moon years ago along with endless amounts of high definition footage. Why would Bezos trust such a bunch of clumsy little rattlesnakes?

Yes, thousands upon thousands of sailors lost at sea (along with millions worth of ships and cargo) lost due to ships being 20+km out of reckoning and ending up on the rocks, (sometimes even in broad daylight) mostly in the southern hemisphere due to the fact that they were so inebriated by the infallible Newton and his incorrect assumptions that the earth is an almost perfect sphere with slight compression at the poles.

This being completely contrary to the pendulum experiments of Von Gumpach who contested this and many of the phony astronomers of the mid 19th century with stone hard data and concluded that the earth is slightly elongated at the poles with a widening below the equator, or an oblate spheroid or 'pear shaped' as Neil DeAss Tyson calls it. All easily verifiable by NASA and their magical spaceships and telescopes but, alas, they downright refuse to.

You'd think they could rely on their eye sight to avoid rocks and not need Newton.

And again you are asking questions that we have answered for you previously on this thread. You have ignored them because you can't counter them.

Submerged rocks and sandbanks due to being too near to coastlines. You don't see them until you hit them

And your earth shape image? Can be approximate if you want.

But that's not true. Now on top of your constant dodging you are outright lying.

You were provided with many examples of what you asked for. Repeatedly.

Why are you lying?

Who do you think is going to buy this latest lie of yours?

But since you are going to dodge these questions because they are to difficult for you, perhaps you'd like to just have a rant about your beliefs.

Please explain what you believe is the true shape of the earth?

Newton said it was an oblate spheroid. Von Grumpach said it wasn't. Von Grumpach was wrong. The earth is an oblate spheroid.

The more interesting point is that markus doesnt even under what von gumpach claimed. He thinks von gumpech claimed that the earth was an oblate spheroid. He didn't. Von gumpach claimed that the earth was elongated at the poles. this is clearly wrong.

the difference is 21 KM. given the circumference of the earth is 40,075KM that is a difference of 0.05%. That is much less than the accuracy of navigation available at the time he lived. If ships ships were crashing into rocks it wasn't because of any miscalculation of the shape of the earth.

I didn't say it needed to be of the earth (and go on a weird rant), just the shape you think it is. If someone gave you a piece of paper and said "draw the earth" what would you draw (in image form approximately).

what arguments? none have been presented. Just one user telling us that science is wrong and he knows best.

Marky has claimed that *all* space missions are fake.

He has not explained how he knows this, why they are faked or how they are faked.

Our best guess is that he is a flat earther who knows that being honest about his beliefs would get him laughed out of the forum.

As regards the 80km / 100km limits, these are somewhat arbitrary. See below for an excerpt from National Geographic (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/where-is-the-edge-of-space-and-what-is-the-karman-line)

... most experts say that space starts at the point where orbital dynamic forces become more important than aerodynamic forces, 
or where the atmosphere alone is not enough to support a flying vessel at suborbital speeds

I presume you're referring to NASA and ESA, etc? Why do you call them "fraudsters"?

Newton, your and NASA's lord and Savior was a sour and uninspiring shut-in who plagiarised much of his work from greater minds before him