Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

He must be some driver to be able to judge the outcome of an accident before it even happened, especially at the speeds they were going. Like someone else said, everyone else is playing checkers and Lewis must be playing 7d chess.

Christian Horner said in Spain "Thankfully Lewis had got out of it because otherwise he would have ended up in the fence.” This time Lewis didn't get out of it and this is the result. At some point in every driver's career they come up against someone who isn't going to just move over for them. Max has been on the other end of this for a long time. Max himself has said that he wasn't aggressively defending as he didn't squeeze him in the wall - Max's definition of too aggressive is putting someone in the wall along the straight.

As for compliant Bottas, imagine if he dropped points himself, just to take a solitary point of Max. Imagine how petty and compliant he would be.

Completely agree. It would also complicate the process of applying penalties during the race as the consequence of being penalised would be that the other party would be absolved and would be eligible for an engine change.

So what might the solutions be? Maybe both parties are penalised to reflect the 60:40 nature of the crash and neither is eligible for an engine change. Or maybe they would be more reluctant to impose penalties as they will probably be challenged in court for weeks following every event. And what happens when a championship contender crashes with a customer of their championship rival? So AM, Williams and Mercedes challenge any crash with a red bull, but don't challenge any crash with another Mercedes.

Just leave the rules as they are. Maybe some people would like the soap opera Court battles running in parallel to the racing for weeks on end, but I would just prefer the racing to be finished at the checkered flag

The appeal has been rejected. The argument was; "Red Bull used the Leclerc pass to argue Hamilton would have made contact in that move too - if he had been on the same line at the same speed as he was in the Verstappen incident." Laughable

Spicy stuff here, imagine the scenes if something else happens this weekend.

I hope the Red Bull car and Max haven't lost any speed. I'd imagine because of the accident last time out that they're on the back foot this weekend. Should be fascinating.

I'm happy with the decision. Penalties should be applied on the day and that should be an end to it. It would have been a terrible precedent if the appeal was taken seriously. Every decision would have been appealed.

Red bull look petty and insecure over this incident. They were everyone's best hope for a championship battle and they wer unlucky in Silverstone. But they have spaffed a lot of that goodwill up the wall with all this childish nonsense.

They need to move on and focus on beating Mercedes on track this weekend. End of story.

Side question, is there a new technique to embedding tweets? You used to just post the url and boards did the rest.

i think the precedence now is worse.

now it is that you can make a crazy overtake atempt , be nowhere near the racing line, colide with your oponent . clip them and spin them off the track with little to no consequence.

what happens next time that happens. now the same has to happen. the die is cast. its going to lead to divers being more wreckless and more crashes.

What? You mean "let them race"? The mantra we hear repeated ad nauseum under normal circumstances when Hamilton isn't involved in the crash or hasn't benefited form the crash?

Oh lads, it wasn't a terrible breech of the rules (thats the thing the penalties are given out for).

Maybe it's time to just get over it.

Don't think so, Hamilton tends to fold under pressure. Red Bull are right to notch it up a few decimals.

The battle for fifth in the Constructors Championship is tight. Alpine are on 40 points, Aston Martin are on 48 points and Alpha Tauri are on 49 points.

That's pretty much what exact what happened. He went into the corner too steep and understeered into Max. He was given a penalty which reflected that mistake.

If now isn't the time to get over it, when do you think that time will be?

Max could have backed out or not turned in so hard.

I remember a certain team principle also suggesting that in the same position with Stroll his driver should be considered up the inside and the other driver should back out.

It's hardly "well outside" the rules every time two cars touch.

Anyway I think Lewis and Merc have moved on, Red Bull meanwhile is filing appeals and running private test days to create new evidence.

Seems like Merc are living rent free in the Red Bull team managements heads at least, Max himself may be smarter than that.

Either way we'll be hearing a lot more about it this weekend thanks to Red Bull.

Hamilton proved it himself by understeering into the back of Max his car. He could not have made that turn in the position he was

max doesnt need to back out. he is ahead. its his corner. he has every right to take the racing line.

but he does open the steering to give lewis more room but lewis is far to agresive and plows into him

im not saying every crash is well out side the rules. but this one is. most crashs are a slight slip up and go outside the rules a little.