Attempting to segregate people never ends well.

I'm in favour of the vaccine (I've had it myself) but I'm not happy at all with the way the vaccine pass is going to be used to deny service to those who are unvaccinated.

The above is not aimed at you personally Feisar .Its a statement of the groupthink that is befalling society these days.Yeah,they did,because they handed it away bit by bit,until it was too late to say or do anything,without risking your life and family. We already have some lunatic in the journal.ie advocating that unemployment benefits should be denied to anyone not vaccinated this week!Only a short step then to denying you enternce to a shop to buy food.

Tell ya what.Lets leave this topic until this time and date next year, and lets see what other rights we have and dont think twice about today have disappered by this date July 2022?After all Vaccine passports was a right wing conspiracy tinfoil hat wearing idiots fantasy this time last year,and now people are virtue signalling ab out how they have one .

Well enjoy your indoor dining and drinking. My advice dont sit too close to the windows.. Might catch a brick being flung in by one of the "covid undesireables".Which IS going to happen eventually.

And those restrictions are ok are they? - Apologies, I meant as a general thing, i.e. speed limits

Religions - there are several who explicitly refuse all vaccinations, others which refuse some, others still which are refusing this, see my previous answer and do your own research outside the echo chamber. - I did a few google searches, it's a very limited number and in Ireland almost nil

Cultural - ok, so the aftermath of distrust in governments based on the heinous and atrocious acts they have perpetrated leading into being covid(not vaccinations as a whole) skeptic is not a culture? Actually it is, a culture of distrust with a solid base in reacting to past disgraceful acts by the same gov that says now that you can trust it, everything is fine! - You are twisting the definition of cultural as it applies to being a genuine reason not to get the vaccination to suit your argument

Not sure how many Thalidomide victims are still around and kicking in Ireland but I'd be sure based on their experiences that they would be skeptical too, and with good reason.

Or in your opinion are they just "vax skeptic" too? 🙄 - not relevant to the discussion at hand.

On the segregation front I'm sure everyone who has been discriminated against because you feel it to be a "practical approach" completely understands your lack of humanity, which I'm sure extends right up to the point where you are the one being discriminated against. - Right lets say you are a business owner, would you rather some people in now or wait till everyone is vaccinated. And yes I can be overly cold on these things and somewhat black and white. In terms of personal discrimination, I can't say to be honest. My wife went through a miscarriage which had complications. It meant several hospital trips on her own, well me outside. All the while the rules didn't seem to apply to travelers. That rankled.

This isn't a sympathy vote by the way, just something that happened that I'm using as am example.

What other segregation would you be in favour of, since it it a practical approach?

Shopping? Public services? Outdoor dining? Public spaces?

Where exactly does your line extend to, their front doors?

You are being overly dramatic here.

 In terms of personal discrimination, I can't say to be honest. My wife went through a miscarriage which had complications. It meant several hospital trips on her own, well me outside. All the while the rules didn't seem to apply to travelers. That rankled.

Sorry to hear that bTW.

But as you can see it won't apply to them, as they know how to play the "RASCIST" card. So as they say when in Rome...

Where does it end, in terms of restrictions? Luxuries would be a rough guideline. We could always look at it the other way, those without the vaccine aren't restricted, it's actually those with it that have additional privileges!

I've no problem admitting I can be overly zealous with a lack of empathy. Having said that, saying divided societies never flourish/leads to trouble and giving examples like the Jews in Germany or American Indian's is overly dramatic. - Not necessarily your comments

I can logically understand your points, well laid out that they were however I cannot make the emotional leap to your point of view.

It's very selfish and narrow minded to get the benefit of the vaccination via everyone else getting it.......You mean the benefits of being a free person enjoying your normal rights? as opposed to not allowed to enjoy those rights unless you take the ''optional'' vaccine.

Lets all decide not to take it and remain in perpetual lockdown.......If the vaccine works and its all the fault of the unvaccinated then why is it that vaccinated people are testing positive and can transmit it? everyone being vaccinated wont end this..and you are also ignoring the whole natural immunity side. the vaccine isnt a silver bullet and non vaccinated people are not the sole cause of positive cases.

As for perpetual lockdowns well did you ever ask yourself was a lockdown a smart move in the first place...if the first lockdown was a success why did we need a second and if the first locdown was a failure why did we do a second? There were other options that could have been employed.

Already happening with the green cert.The alothgrim can be modified to include a picture.Well why not introduce a social credit scoring like China as well?And introduce like what that clown in London Boris Johnston is being sold by some "experts"to tackle obesity,a social scoring on what food and drink you buy and how you much you exercise.So you are "rewarded"by your govt for losing weight....And on it goes...Just wondering how long it will be before they turn their attention on us gunowners ...Cant have the unvaxxed unclean ones armed now can we?

I do believe we are heading to a increasingly homogenized world. Think Demolition Man or Equilibrium. It seemed mad and futuristic in Demo Man that salt and red meat were banned, now it looks like it's around the corner.

Demolition Man is your typical 80s/90s action film. I wasn't on the marketing team so I don't know who they were focusing on. I'm not saying meat is getting banned next week. However there is a push in that direction.

Funny one on an ad board on the way into town, a few weeks about it was stop live export of anamils on the grounds of cruelty. That ad was replaced by an Aldi or Lidl one advertising steaks.

On adults enjoying Star Wars, a past time is a past time, watching a game of football or a film, one isn't better than the other. Unless one is actually playing and increasing fitness or working on a life skill it's just another way of putting in time.

"On adults enjoying Star Wars, a past time is a past time, watching a game of football or a film, one isn't better than the other. Unless one is actually playing and increasing fitness or working on a life skill it's just another way of putting in time."

If you were to take a shallow look at it,then yes. "The bug eyed monsters "scenarios and scripts are the shallow end of the pool

Science fiction is actually a lot deeper than that.it is also a springboard and a "what if" scenario for ideas that might seem bizarre and outlandish to us now but do become factual as we progress in time.EG take Star Trek. the original series was aired the year I was born [1966].Who wasn't impressed by the enterprise's crews nifty flip-open communicator?Or Doc Mc Coys medical Trirecorder? Flip open phones are rather quaint these days.Zoom call programmes on them ...how long was the dream of seeing who you were talking to on a device a mainstay of science fiction? As for Bones tri recorder ... https://www.healthline.com/health-news/medical-device-used-in-star-trek-is-now-a-reality#How-the-winning-device-works

Anyone remembers as a kid being told "Those stupid TV games won't get you anywhere in life and they are time wasters!"? Nowadays a professional gamer can make more than a lawyer in some cases.

As well as being a disguised social commentary, like Demolition man, Minority report,Elysium,1984,Tthe shape of things to come, Brave new world, Soylent Green. Or a warning in satire of dictatorships or racism.1984, The Moon is a harsh mistress, Fahrenheit 451, District 9, Alien Nation.

In fact if you wanted to see science fiction handle all sorts of modern-day political and social topics bothering us in the early 21st century. I'd highly recommend Battlestar Galactica.

[Not the silly Big hair 1980s Tv series.] The four-season long one done in the Oughties. Everything from apartheid, suicide bombing,state-approved torture, revolutions, rebellions, genocide, invading different cultures,voter fraud, religious fanatism and civil war to dealing with gender differences and multi sexes was covered in that brilliant bit of Scifi TV. And it wasn't all lazers .They were still using firearms and HUMVEES as personal weapons and transport in some cases. So it was kind of normal too.

So to dismiss a now well established literary genre as just some "adults who haven't grown up or a "childish hobby" is the sign of a closed small mind.

I have no interest in Demolition Man or Star Wars but I am interested in meat and I can tell you it's not getting banned anytime.

Fox News tried to spread some story recently that Joe Biden was trying to ban red meat and it was quickly exposed as another typical rubbish makey uppy story spun to discredit The President. Maybe that was where you got the idea from.

I can't imagine where you got the notion salt was going to be banned but it wouldn't surprise me if Fox News started that fantasy too.

President Biden has an approval rate of 53% after 6 months in the job, that is the most steady approval rating of any President since the end of WW11.

To claim he is discrediting himself everyday is balderdash and more likely to be a case of you projecting or reading too much far right propaganda.

You shouldn't fall into the trap of having a closed small mind, may the force be with you.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/26/politics/fact-check-biden-climate-plan-red-meat-hamburger/index.html

So Joe Biden is now the oldest dude alive as well??? Claiming he was on the senate judiciary committee 150 years ago... His "Bigly" moment for sure.🤣🤣 🤣 https://twitter.com/i/status/1418296861421670400

Great town hall meeting too.With 450 people attending out of the totally " 81million voters".who voted for him.🤣

And we wonder why Nancy Pelosi was getting her knickers in a twist about getting the 25th sorted out?It wasn't about getting rid of Trump,it was for when ol Joe finally pees himself on stage in front of the American public and the world.

Salt was an example from the film. They are already taxing sugar so it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

Keep trying there Rose....The point was between the last 6months of his office, which was what your much loved CNN report was spouting.Not his overall rating....Do try and cherry-pick your[Mis] information a bit better next time?🤡

A bit of banter from President Biden and well timed with the distressing reports coming from the inquiry into the Capitol Hill debacle that Trump started.

No vaccine is a magical cure or path to eradication, we have all sort of vaccines, but have only 100% eradicated 1 or 2 diseases. But that's not really a reason to not have developed a vaccine.

That measles, we've been doing MMR shots for decades, measles still exists in parts of the world. The fact it hasn't been eradicated is a pretty silly reason to not get an MMR vaccine. Natural immunity could count towards heard immunity, but we've no idea how it stacks up to different strains. When you catch the flu, to are in future immune to that strain of flu. You can still catch other flus.

I've mentioned before that I don't agree with vaccine exclusion to pubs and dining. Should be all or nothing. But I do get it for travel, it's not an uncommon requirement to have shots for certain parts of the world. At the same time should have bodily autonomy. Nobody should be forced to take medicine or any drug against their will. Some people are just anti-vax regardless, would never take any optional medicine. Those people are a tiny minority. I'd hope less than 1%. The issue is that a much bigger present of people believe in free will. The vast majority who are anti-covid vax are simply reacting to being told what to do by the government. I get that logic, if people are clear about why they feel that way that's fine. I really question whether many people actually believe the stories they come out with. It's a really sad reflection of society tbh.

Somebody who point black refuses to believe any thing in relation the science and facts of covid. The government is trying to control us. (Ignoring the fact that it's multiple governments, multiple governments, opposing parties, and change of control). But a random, unidentified whistle blower, from the CIA/Hospital/Microsoft copy and pasted onto facebook and the same people are sharing these "facts". Just baffling.

An interesting observation somebody made the other day, what that 15 years ago, people where worried about, and ranting about Muslims being radicalized on the internet. Now, especially in the last 2 years, the same people are being radicalized on the internet. We may get past covid soon, or at some point. The damage could be longer lasting.

"The government is trying to control us" crowd are the same people who don't vote because they see no point in it because "they're all the same and only in it for themselves". They fail to see the irony of their stance which is a good indication of how stupid they really are.

The same people never have anything good to say about or have any respect for the people who actually run the country and are the first to cry wolf about any change that is proposed, their pathetic efforts to try and promote a state of siege mentality are funny yet sad at the same time.

How anyone that can tie their own shoelaces could seriously believe that Covid 19 is a "scamdemic" is very worrying.

I've asked a few of the conspiracy nuts where they think the idea for the scam started, why it was started and how many people are in on it? They have various ridiculous theories but it's the third question that always catches them.

The scamdemic believers have created such a sense of paranoia and defensiveness amongst themselves that they are devoid of empathy, incapable of rational discussion and I would suspect thinking as well, as having constant negative feelings isn't good for ones health.

One thing I have noticed a lot of scamdemic believers have in common is they are long term unemployed and intent on keeping it that way no matter what. They've been coasting along nice and happy riding the system all these years and now Covid 19 has thrown a curve ball at them and they have to start thinking about will my payments be cut because of all the other people who have been paid more than me to stop working and are no longer actually paying the tax that used to sponsor my free weekly money.

It's tough times for the scamdemic crew and only going to get tougher when the reality of the situation we are in and the long term repercussions it will have finally sinks in. No doubt when they are encouraged to upskill and seek employment a lot of them will try and use the pandemic as a reason not to.

Joe Biden is a PADEO.He gropes kiddies and women's titties... His Son is a crack head who has been a bagman for his corrupt father with the Chinese and Russians...SUE ME and lets have it aLL out in a court of law. Someplace... . Be the dumbest lawsuit ever taken..A POTUS seeing a nobody for an internet comment,and having to then defend his documented actions on film .Be a laugh

Is there no limit to the lows you will stoop to?

I called you out on it before when you called some lady politician you don't agree with a whore.

Try have some decency and manners.

"May be libellous" ....Where?In what jurisdiction? In the US...Hardly.As I am posting under 1st amendment rights its a non-starter. Ireland, maybe,but go ahead and initiate proceedings,and that will require subpoenas of witnesses, and can you see the POTUS defending "his good name " in the Irish high court in person? As he says himself "Cmon man!"

A bit far removed from reality? Would you like this to be done to your daughter or wife??? I don't care who you are commoner or President of the USA but if you touched my wife or daughter like that...You'd be on the floor picking up your teeth!😡https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H5NJZMDumY

Let's not forget he also has a sex assault charge against him as well..Seems to be a thing with US presidents these days.Google Tara Reade sexual assault. So hardly an innocent inoffensive man,and from public source materials and media, one could happily draw a conclusion about his personality and predilections.

The one thing that really beats me here about all this Biden support in this thread by supposedly pro-gun ownership people...HOW do you square this support of this man who has built a political career on being vehemently ANTI GUN ownership? And would just as happily see you disarmed in Ireland as people in the USA?

Just really curious about how you figure this out?