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  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭hiddenmongoose



    It's very selfish and narrow minded to get the benefit of the vaccination via everyone else getting it.......You mean the benefits of being a free person enjoying your normal rights? as opposed to not allowed to enjoy those rights unless you take the ''optional'' vaccine.


    Lets all decide not to take it and remain in perpetual lockdown.......If the vaccine works and its all the fault of the unvaccinated then why is it that vaccinated people are testing positive and can transmit it? everyone being vaccinated wont end this..and you are also ignoring the whole natural immunity side. the vaccine isnt a silver bullet and non vaccinated people are not the sole cause of positive cases.

    As for perpetual lockdowns well did you ever ask yourself was a lockdown a smart move in the first place...if the first lockdown was a success why did we need a second and if the first locdown was a failure why did we do a second? There were other options that could have been employed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,944 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    So as the 6/1 news this evening if you wish to dine with the vaccinated Ubermenschen.

    You now must provide PHOTO ID and your phone number as well to bar staff or the Matrie D!!!

    This is an actual first in the history of the Irish state...We have NEVER been asked or compelled to carry personal photo ID on us in this country in the course of normal day to day living to identify ourselves to arbitrary strangers or authority types.[And NO a drivers license is not an ID card or accepted as such in the EU] Quite scary how far in a matter of weeks this mission creep has gone.

    From a digital Covid ID, ostensibly only for international travel, but now becoming an EU wide State identifier,and now our lot wanting you to provide " Big Bob and Burly Ben the doormen" with your phone number and passport!! Funny how the sacroscent Data protection and privacy laws can be blatantly ignored when it suits this govt. Scary times folks!

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭solarwinds


    Wouldn't it be handy if we could have all our id, medical records and covid passes all on one handy little card ?.

    I wonder how long before that one is suggested again, because well it would be just so much handier than taking out numerous bits of paper. No more than Europe our own lot have a way of getting just what they want as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,944 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,944 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Already happening with the green cert.The alothgrim can be modified to include a picture.Well why not introduce a social credit scoring like China as well?And introduce like what that clown in London Boris Johnston is being sold by some "experts"to tackle obesity,a social scoring on what food and drink you buy and how you much you exercise.So you are "rewarded"by your govt for losing weight....And on it goes...Just wondering how long it will be before they turn their attention on us gunowners ...Cant have the unvaxxed unclean ones armed now can we?

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,092 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I’m not getting into the vaccine pass stuff. I don’t like how it’s handled at all FWIW. But to answer this question;

    ”If you are so confident in the vaccine protecting you then why do others need to have it?”

    Vaccines for highly mutable only really work effectively when most people are protected.

    Take MMR for example. Kids get vaccined against it. Infant mortality is a fraction of pre 20th century. But anti-vax lunatics refusing to protect their kids is still an issue for the population. As multiple unvaccinated people lead to mutations. And an unvax’d child could infect a vaccinated children with a strain.

    I get that there is concerns about this fast tracked vax. People are right to question that. But on the other hand, time wasn’t a infinite luxury.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I do believe we are heading to a increasingly homogenized world. Think Demolition Man or Equilibrium. It seemed mad and futuristic in Demo Man that salt and red meat were banned, now it looks like it's around the corner.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    I never heard of Demo Man or Equilibrium before, (I'm guessing they are aimed at kids or the the type of adults that enjoy Star Wars) but I wouldn't worry about salt and/or red meat being banned in the real world at anytime, never mind the near future.

    It's ridiculous to suggest it.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,434 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Not too many that I've talked to have no complaints about the vaccine pass stuff alright.

    But in the case you mention above with highly mutatable viruses then the only solution would be vaccines up to herd immunity(which used to be ~ 70 percent I believe), but now nphet want 85-90%?

    For something that is supposed to be optional I think that is rather a drastic uptick.

    Particularly since the vaccine still does not prevent you from getting, carrying, passing on, or dying from, covid.


    I really feel that the vaccine is viewed as a silver bullet by many, whereas the reality seems to be there is zero end in sight to all the legislative restrictions on people, regardless of vaccination status or coverage rate.


    Understand that time was and is not an infinite luxury, but it goes both ways.

    People could dine indoors during the pandemic previously, but now it is too dangerous even though most are now, supposedly anyway, safer because of the proportion of vaccinated people.

    I could understand these kind of measures a year ago, maybe, when there were a lot more uncertains and there had been no real time to increase hospital capacity, etc.

    But now a year on from that and a year and a half into covid restrictions and there still seems to be no end in sight, and worse restrictions are arguably getting worse.

    Yes you can travel around the country now, whereas you couldn't before, but now something else has been taken away as a result.

    People are already predicting another series of lockdowns around September/October when cold & flu season begins again, because covid cases(not necessarily deaths, just cases) will go up.


    I have zero problem with those who want to get vaccinated, but I cannot countenance a segregated society, particularly based on something so fickle.

    Not do I see any real end in sight to the covid laws and restrictions.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,092 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I think the heard immunity % required to eradicate a virus depends on the virus. But 85-90% is pretty typical for highly contagious diseases.

    vaccines aren’t always 100% effective. You can still get the flu after the flu jab.

    Seatbejrsbatent 100% effective either. You can still died or get hurt in a crash wearing a seatbelt.

    I don’t think being less than 100% effective makes the vax useless, but many people online are carrying on like it is.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,434 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Not useless, but certainly is not the magical cure which, once they get up to whatever number they want, will eradicate the virus.

    It isn't going to happen and what was discussed months ago needs to happen, a plan for living with covid which doesn't result in a continuing series of measures and other restrictions whenever cases go up, with zero action done to increase hospital capacity which is, supposedly, the reason for being concerned about cases.


    If that is the problem then why haven't they fixed it. 🙄

    If that is not the problem then figure out what is, but don't keep throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,434 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Also this:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2


    Most estimates for covid are between 60-70% for herd immunity.

    Not just vaccines, but also naturally acquired immunity(either naturally immune or having had covid already), so going for 90% of people vaccinated is still insanely high:

    Not to mention the questions about the longevity that vaccines are effective for.

    I mean if it is 6 months for example like the gov here estimate for post covid infection immunity then what, 6 month boosters for the rest of out lives?

    No end to vaccine passes so in that case.


    I just cannot see any end in sight to all the penal measures here.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Demolition Man is your typical 80s/90s action film. I wasn't on the marketing team so I don't know who they were focusing on. I'm not saying meat is getting banned next week. However there is a push in that direction.

    Funny one on an ad board on the way into town, a few weeks about it was stop live export of anamils on the grounds of cruelty. That ad was replaced by an Aldi or Lidl one advertising steaks.

    On adults enjoying Star Wars, a past time is a past time, watching a game of football or a film, one isn't better than the other. Unless one is actually playing and increasing fitness or working on a life skill it's just another way of putting in time.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,944 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    God help him if we had suggested Minority report.🤣🤣

    Banning meat...Hmmm lets see....We have Mr Bill Gates now being the biggest private farm landowner in the USA,and he has suggested that to reduce Greenhouse gases" we should look at making meat unaffordable and consider a more plant based diet

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bill-gates-beef-plant-based-alternatives.

    We then have others suggesting that a healthier option is start to eat bugs in "protein bars"

    Then we have the Exo Fascists the water melons suggesting that a climate tax on food is a good idea.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49281111

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/nov/04/uk-health-professions-call-for-climate-tax-on-meat

    Soylent Green anyone?😵

    Yeah, they won't ban it, they'll just tax the **** out of it to force you to change as it becomes unaffordable.

    Same as banning the import of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030...Just drive this expensive useless POS,while they still drive past you in their petrol powered Mercs...

    All of course while you are living in your Communistic pod, owning nothing, and liking it under the "great reset"

    Remember folks today is the day July 26th 2021 you have to bring your Covid tag and your passport to an Irish pub for a pint!!!😡

    Had you said this a year ago,you would be labelled a tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy nutter. Yet today,and for the rest of your lives, this will be the new normal. So don't poo-poo "science fiction" as it has a nasty habit of becoming "Science FACT"

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,944 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    "On adults enjoying Star Wars, a past time is a past time, watching a game of football or a film, one isn't better than the other. Unless one is actually playing and increasing fitness or working on a life skill it's just another way of putting in time."

    If you were to take a shallow look at it,then yes. "The bug eyed monsters "scenarios and scripts are the shallow end of the pool

    Science fiction is actually a lot deeper than that.it is also a springboard and a "what if" scenario for ideas that might seem bizarre and outlandish to us now but do become factual as we progress in time.EG take Star Trek. the original series was aired the year I was born [1966].Who wasn't impressed by the enterprise's crews nifty flip-open communicator?Or Doc Mc Coys medical Trirecorder? Flip open phones are rather quaint these days.Zoom call programmes on them ...how long was the dream of seeing who you were talking to on a device a mainstay of science fiction? As for Bones tri recorder ... https://www.healthline.com/health-news/medical-device-used-in-star-trek-is-now-a-reality#How-the-winning-device-works

    Anyone remembers as a kid being told "Those stupid TV games won't get you anywhere in life and they are time wasters!"? Nowadays a professional gamer can make more than a lawyer in some cases.

    As well as being a disguised social commentary, like Demolition man, Minority report,Elysium,1984,Tthe shape of things to come, Brave new world, Soylent Green. Or a warning in satire of dictatorships or racism.1984, The Moon is a harsh mistress, Fahrenheit 451, District 9, Alien Nation.

    In fact if you wanted to see science fiction handle all sorts of modern-day political and social topics bothering us in the early 21st century. I'd highly recommend Battlestar Galactica.

    [Not the silly Big hair 1980s Tv series.] The four-season long one done in the Oughties. Everything from apartheid, suicide bombing,state-approved torture, revolutions, rebellions, genocide, invading different cultures,voter fraud, religious fanatism and civil war to dealing with gender differences and multi sexes was covered in that brilliant bit of Scifi TV. And it wasn't all lazers .They were still using firearms and HUMVEES as personal weapons and transport in some cases. So it was kind of normal too.

    So to dismiss a now well established literary genre as just some "adults who haven't grown up or a "childish hobby" is the sign of a closed small mind.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,944 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Fun&games with Uncle Joe!!!

    Can you guess what Sleepy Joe is saying in this clip? Millions of Americans cant figure it out either.!

    I think it's "I've left your bike!/Mike/ Dyke? Or he is practising calling cattle for when he comes over to visit the relatives again.😜

    https://trendingpolitics.com/no-one-knows-what-the-hell-biden-just-blurted-out-in-this-viral-clip-knab/?utm_source=ilmf&utm_medium=klaviyo&_kx=fFWAv12s_AYYvmCNsIAvgW5lp3kJrhV-dVnPkV85A8s%3D.XhZFkN

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    I have no interest in Demolition Man or Star Wars but I am interested in meat and I can tell you it's not getting banned anytime.

    Fox News tried to spread some story recently that Joe Biden was trying to ban red meat and it was quickly exposed as another typical rubbish makey uppy story spun to discredit The President. Maybe that was where you got the idea from.

    I can't imagine where you got the notion salt was going to be banned but it wouldn't surprise me if Fox News started that fantasy too.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,944 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    THIS is where it actually came from

    And hey,if the Dems can "misspeak" on many subjects,Dont you think the Reps can be afforded the same courtesy?🤪 Ol Joe doesn't need to be discredited,he is doing that perfectly every day himself.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    President Biden has an approval rate of 53% after 6 months in the job, that is the most steady approval rating of any President since the end of WW11.

    To claim he is discrediting himself everyday is balderdash and more likely to be a case of you projecting or reading too much far right propaganda.

    You shouldn't fall into the trap of having a closed small mind, may the force be with you.


    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/26/politics/fact-check-biden-climate-plan-red-meat-hamburger/index.html

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,944 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    You know Rows there is a German saying." He who digs a pit for someone else falls into it themselves. And Boy oh boy did you fall into your own pit with your post above...🤣🤣🤣🤣 Suggestion..Go look in a mirror before you project and hit the keyboard,as everything you have said above reflects nicely about you as well .

    And DO try and quote something believable as a news source, CNN that has its nose so far up Bidens old arse its pathetic at this stage. Heres the Gallup poll.. Its 50% for a start...https://news.gallup.com/poll/329384/presidential-approval-ratings-joe-biden.aspx

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,944 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    So Joe Biden is now the oldest dude alive as well??? Claiming he was on the senate judiciary committee 150 years ago... His "Bigly" moment for sure.🤣🤣 🤣 https://twitter.com/i/status/1418296861421670400

    Great town hall meeting too.With 450 people attending out of the totally " 81million voters".who voted for him.🤣

    And we wonder why Nancy Pelosi was getting her knickers in a twist about getting the 25th sorted out?It wasn't about getting rid of Trump,it was for when ol Joe finally pees himself on stage in front of the American public and the world.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    The link you posted shows President Biden has an approval rating average of 55% since he took over the most powerful position in the world.

    What is ye Germans say again? Oh yeah, "He who digs a pit for someone else falls into it themselves".

    And boy oh boy did you fall into your own slurry pit with the post above.

    It's a habit of yours to post links that contradict the point you're trying to make, interesting and rather amusing carry on.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Salt was an example from the film. They are already taxing sugar so it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Anyway, I'm going to stick to asking stupid questions about rifles from now on!

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,944 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Keep trying there Rose....The point was between the last 6months of his office, which was what your much loved CNN report was spouting.Not his overall rating....Do try and cherry-pick your[Mis] information a bit better next time?🤡

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,944 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Imagine the global outcry if Trump had said this??? Even jokingly???😵

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1394745443658178561

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    A bit of banter from President Biden and well timed with the distressing reports coming from the inquiry into the Capitol Hill debacle that Trump started.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Richard308


    Experimental vaccines seem to reduce the effect of COVID on the body. I’ve seen the effects of polio first hand on people in 2021 because parents refuse to vaccinate their children. Trust me, a lifetime of pain for their children is a sentence in itself for them.


    i don’t think red meat or salt will be banned, vaccine passes for dining not ideal but short term necessity.


    biden, steady hand so far, trump had signaled pull out for Iraq and Afghanistan republicans should be happy he’s continuing their policy. (It’s going to be a **** sandwich)

    This new set up is still cr#p on boards



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,092 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    No vaccine is a magical cure or path to eradication, we have all sort of vaccines, but have only 100% eradicated 1 or 2 diseases. But that's not really a reason to not have developed a vaccine.

    That measles, we've been doing MMR shots for decades, measles still exists in parts of the world. The fact it hasn't been eradicated is a pretty silly reason to not get an MMR vaccine. Natural immunity could count towards heard immunity, but we've no idea how it stacks up to different strains. When you catch the flu, to are in future immune to that strain of flu. You can still catch other flus.

    I've mentioned before that I don't agree with vaccine exclusion to pubs and dining. Should be all or nothing. But I do get it for travel, it's not an uncommon requirement to have shots for certain parts of the world. At the same time should have bodily autonomy. Nobody should be forced to take medicine or any drug against their will. Some people are just anti-vax regardless, would never take any optional medicine. Those people are a tiny minority. I'd hope less than 1%. The issue is that a much bigger present of people believe in free will. The vast majority who are anti-covid vax are simply reacting to being told what to do by the government. I get that logic, if people are clear about why they feel that way that's fine. I really question whether many people actually believe the stories they come out with. It's a really sad reflection of society tbh.

    Somebody who point black refuses to believe any thing in relation the science and facts of covid. The government is trying to control us. (Ignoring the fact that it's multiple governments, multiple governments, opposing parties, and change of control). But a random, unidentified whistle blower, from the CIA/Hospital/Microsoft copy and pasted onto facebook and the same people are sharing these "facts". Just baffling.

    An interesting observation somebody made the other day, what that 15 years ago, people where worried about, and ranting about Muslims being radicalized on the internet. Now, especially in the last 2 years, the same people are being radicalized on the internet. We may get past covid soon, or at some point. The damage could be longer lasting.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,944 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    And fondling underage kids and snuffing their Moms hair is just gropy Joe being friendly. As for the Capitol hill affair...Keep watching that CNN for your opinions.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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