Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

The criticism of hamilton has become parodic. If he lends support to a cause, its virtue signalling. If he sets up an organisation to advance the cause, its virtue signalling. If he donates a huge chunk of money to advance the cause (literally putting his money where his mouth is), its virtue signalling.

I don't like the guy with the shite he talks about racing, but I can't fault his activism or his driving ability.

How many programs were set up and money put forward by Lewis and Merc to be inclusive, promote diversity and encourage minorities before?

Out of interest.

The only thing I can find about "mission 44" before 11 hours ago were to do with levels in computer games.

I donate to various charities via contributions through work, might stick an announcement in the local paper.

Seems now that its the "in" thing they need to jump on it and broadcast it.

Cool, was that before his BLM stunt?

Out of more interest.

Autosport: Has Formula 1 ever increased a penalty after an appeal?.

Autosport article on previous penalty appeals and how they worked out. There is precedent for having a penalty overturned but no penalty for having a penalty increased by another team.

It's not clear what RB is playing at, probably just making fuss to pit pressure on to gibe Hamilton a harsher penalty if the opportunity arises

Has there ever even been retrospective action on anything regarding penalties in F1?

I've just booked tickets to Spa at the end of August. Admittedly Gen DTS and it'll be my first F1 experience. We have tickets for Gold 2 on Sunday so here's hoping we get a good view out of the hairpin and up over the hill.

Can anyone recommend a good town to stay in for the night? As we're so late booking, Maastricht looks like a good bet with shuttle buses available but open to recommendations.

Also, any tips for visiting the track would be appreciated!

We just have the ticket for race day but the more I read up on the circuit the more I'm inclined to spend the extra €100 for a weekend pass. Is it feasible to walk around the track in the morning and then move p to the stand for the F1 at 2pm?

RB will use the engine from silverstone during FP1

https://the-race.com/formula-1/red-bull-to-run-verstappens-crashed-honda-engine-in-hungary/

They must be doing the sums and gambling that a 10 place grid penalty for replacing the engine, at a track which is difficult to overtake like Hungary, would hand Hamilton an even bigger advantage. But an engine failure in the race would be a nightmare.

So they can run the engine and decide whether to replace it and take the penalty, or just gamble that it will last the weekend and replace it in Belgium.

Aren't they allowed a certain amount of leeway to replace broken parts?

They still have a spare engine they can use, don’t they?

Huge pressure though using their last one this early in the season.

It all goes back to the unfairness of the original incident - anyone would take a ten second penalty for taking their main rival out of the race and potentially hampering their season. Whatever about the DNF in Silverstone, it seems mad that there wouldn’t be exceptions for an incident that wrecked one of your engines that you weren’t determined to be most at fault for-from the sports perspective it could ruin the championship.

Yeah but then what if its a 50:50 accident? or what if it's a 60:40 accident and the one who is 60% in the wrong crashes out and the other driver carries on? Your idea sounds good but it would lead to further consequences down the line in terms of legal wrangling over who was at fault, legal challenges to penalties and, naturally, teams would use any crash as an excuse to get a new engine.

Fact is that sometimes bad things happen, bad luck strikes and sometimes bad luck even doubles up. That's all that happened in this case as max was not the most guilty party AND he was taken out of the race AND his title rival got an appropriate, but relatively lenient, penalty AND went on to win the race AND the crash might impact his engine allocation which might cause a 10 place penalty later in the year for a new engine.

This event is just unlucky and it might rob us of a close title fight which is really disappointing, but ultimately it's just bad luck.

Needing to sacrifice practice time to check the engine, and then if it doesn't pass they'll be lining themselves up for a bigger penalty for an engine change than the penalty for taking them out was. Although worse case scenario is that they think it's ok and it fails in the race, costing them another 25 points (and still needing to be followed with a grid penalty later in the season for using too many power units)

The rewards for dirty driving never seem to end.

Now that's telling the Apartheid-era South African GPs to hold your bee-I mean, rose water.

Ah, I think you've been reading too many tabloids and their comment sections. Over the top reaction to a racing incident that was dealt with by applying an appropriate penalty during the race and unfortunately has big repercussions for the championship.

It's unfortunate but it wasn't all predictable before the event. Are you suggesting Hamilton intended to achieve the outcome that you outline above as "entirely predictable"?