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The Last Duel - Ridley Scott

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,669 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Ridley Scott, Matt Damon, Adam Driver - yeah I'm in



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Distinct lack of Super Valu shopping bags in that trailer; 2/10

    It is phenomenal Scott is still knocking out movies at 83. Debatable when his last great movie might be, but fair play to the guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    Ridley Scott's very first feature film was 'The Duellists'. I reckon this could be his last film, considering his age and it would be a fitting end. I am looking forward to this; great cast, great setting, and overall, a wonderful director.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Ha, that would be rather awesome all right; bookend his career then retire.



  • Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭Drexel_3


    Scott has been a little hit or miss the last year's but I'm still excited to hear of a new film from him



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    He has another film in post-production due out a few months after this and several more in development. No sign of retiring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭MfMan


    Obviously hoping for Adam in this one.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    This doesn't really surprise me: Scott comes across the type of man who'd die if he stopped & retired; his energy to reshoot all the Kevin Spacey scenes during All The Money of the World showed that while his quality might have dimmed, his enthusiasm remains. Heck, I daresay he might pass away during a shoot; would be a trivia & pub quiz question there... who was the last?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    And worth noting that this is the first script Damon and Affleck have worked on together since Good Will Hunting (along with Nicole Holofcener).

    Post edited by Mr Crispy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Decuc500


    The only Ridley Scott film I don't care for is The Counselor.

    He has an ability to create worlds that suck you in. His films are visually amazing, particularly the photography and set design. It's great to have another period film from him to look forward to. 1492, Kingdom of Heaven, Gladiator and even Robin Hood are some of my favourite films to have seen on a huge cinema screen.

    He also seems to be a very empathetic person and his films reflect this (The Counselor aside, that film was nasty).



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    "Trash" is a little harsh: there's no doubt Scott hasn't directed a properly Great With a Capital G movie in many years now; looking at his CV I'd wager... 2005's Kingdom of Heaven might be the last (if we include the fabled Director's Cut), before that it's Gladiator I guess. I ignore The Martian, only because the book was itself a blockbuster - it only needed someone competent to point, shoot and not mess with the script too much.

    Purely from a visual and cinematic point of view, Scott's films are rarely boring or bland to look at; and while there's more to cinema than just pretty pictures it's also rare enough these days we have mainstream entertainment that shows expertise with the canvas (not to have a pop at the likes of F&F or the MCU ... but I'm absolutely pulling a Scorcese here lol). The two Alien movies were definite, unquestionable fúck ups though, even if I'll go to bat for Prometheus for at least trying ... something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,666 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    looks a bit grim, doesnt seem to be the best timing? might do ok streaming just not something for the cinema

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,461 ✭✭✭✭Zeek12


    Director's cut of KOH 2005 is probably his last great film.

    Like others I didn't enjoy his return to the Alien world very much. Nonetheless he's had a number of very competent and enjoyable films since the mid 2000s: A Good Year, Body of Lies, American Gangster.

    And The Martian, while not anything amazing was perfectly fine.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    That's literally the first kind thing I've heard someone say of A Good Year. Had seemed like the consensus deemed it Scott's worst! 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,133 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It's an enjoyable, light, date night type movie, especially with a glass of wine in hand :)

    I hadn't even realised it was directed by Ridley Scott until now. I don't know if it's his worst film but perhaps his slightest.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,461 ✭✭✭✭Zeek12


    It's not typical of him at all. Maybe that's why I enjoyed it.

    It's perfectly entertaining romance with some light humour. And Crowe and Cotillard are always watchable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Scott's generally better when writing duties are apportioned to others. So I still hold out hope this could be good.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I would say a passion for wine would change the effect of that film dramatically. The fantasy of it alone for a wine lover is enough to make it enjoyable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,490 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    They had zero chemistry but it is watchable for the location

    Affleck also co stars in this but Damon is lead, I am intrigued by the premise and setting



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Well, directors can/will change a script as they go. But even then, has he not developed ideas and stories for some of his work? I thought Prometheus and Covenant were his stories for example, whereas Alien was mostly O'Bannon.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Some conceptual stuff, sure (though never enough to receive a story credit) and yes he's definitely caused scripts to be changed, but I don't think he can said to have written or re-written scripts. I have also heard of him being associated with script changes to films considered amongst his best too. I recall Scott being blamed for some of the changes to the scripts for Alien and Blade Runner. Then of course there's Gladiator in which he was part of the committee that wrote the script as it was being shot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,490 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    How much of this was filmed in Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    It's a fantastic movie, one of my all time favourites from any director.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,666 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A good spoiler free review, he does mention how the film is broadly constructed , very positive





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭santana75


    Saw this last night and its a rolls Royce of a movie, its so well made. The acting is superb especially from Ben Affleck, he was magnetic. I reckon there could be a best supporting oscar nod for him in the post. Its 2.5 hours long but never outstays its welcome. There are a couple of scenes that are hard to watch. A girl sitting in front of me stood up and ran out of the theatre during a particular scene near the end, she came back a few minutes later though. All in all it is a quality film and I hope it gets some traction at the box office after a disappointing opening weekend in the states.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,635 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Very disappointing to see this sinking like a stone at the box office, as it's really quite a good movie.

    Okay, sometimes, it's a bit on the nose, but it hits a hell of a lot more than it misses. I went because I wanted to see the lavishness on the screen, but it's really a character piece and everyone is doing really good work here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,810 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Seriously though really enjoyed it. Similar vein to Gladiator and Kingdom of Heaven but more depth...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,941 ✭✭✭✭ShaneU


    Could have easily cut an hour out of this movie by not telling the same event three times over with minor changes. Third time around I couldn't care less.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,304 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Thats pretty much the core of the film I would say, there were differences in all three which were important.

    It follows a rashomon style narrative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,635 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Telling the story three different ways was kinda the point!



  • Posts: 2,827 [Deleted User]


    Good movie. Good to see the Director, Affleck, and Damon doing quality work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,323 ✭✭✭p to the e


    And which version of the three stories would you have kept?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    They could have easily shown the differences with showing the parts that were all but the exact same.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,810 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I wonder was there sufficient overlap between Damon's story and the wife's to the point where they could have combined the two...



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,716 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    The overlap is the point. We're meant to take account of what's the same and what's different, and note how the characters see an event very differently. It's an exercise in cinematic perspective and unreliable narration.

    To be clear, I don't think it does this as well as Rashomon does, especially since The Last Duel very overtly tells us which account to believe. But the whole point of the film is to be a little repetitive and let us see three perspectives on the same events. While Matt Damon's character might see one of his actions as heroic, it becomes clear from another perspective that that's not how everyone else perceived it. And yes there will be some common ground, but perhaps a single remark seen as throwaway by one character is seen as sinister by another. You can't simply cut or merge a perspective without ending up with a wildly different film in the process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,026 ✭✭✭homerun_homer


    I didn't feel there was enough of a difference in the perspectives, except that Jean de Carrouges is far more noble, heroic and affectionate as a husband in his perspective. When it comes to the crux of why we have these perspectives, to deal with the assault itself, it was clear cut in both versions that depict it that Le Gris rapes Marguerite. I would have thought going into the film that his perspective would have shown that scene play out as playful, flirty and consensual, but it wasn't enough to fully justify the multiple perspectives on the situation. It just dragged out the running time.

    I was called to be an extra on the film and was annoyed to miss it due to the day job. Bad timing.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It was a decently good film overall imo - notwithstanding the bemoaned lack of differentiation they had to show the third perspective of the wife as she and Le Gris were the only two present at the rape (obviously).

    Each subsequent perspective was shorter than the preceding one so it was just about ok in that regard.

    The actual duel was visceral and well done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    But Le Gris see's what he done very differently even though it was the same physical act,

    Remember his point of view to Pierre was that it was not rape because he loved her & it was right to do it as she also had feeling for her,

    You have to remember back in those days the act of rape was not a crime against the women but a crime against her husbands as she is seen as her property ,

    Basically La Gris thought she also felt love for him but refused do do anything out of respect of her husband & La Gris felt this gave him the right to do it,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,311 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Anybody Able to explain why The movie has two King Charles VIs?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,133 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Alex Lawther is King Charles.

    Ben Affleck plays Pierre d'Alençon who is a high ranking nobleman but not the King.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,311 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Watchable If not hugely engaging or satisfactory movie

    spoilers …


    Like other posters I didnt really get de gree’s flashback either. He wasnt innocent of The charges in his own version. He entered The castle under false pretences, got told no, chased his victim up a stairs and forced himself on her and told her not to tell anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    You have to remember the time this all happened ,Le Gris think its ok to do what he did because he loves her & because in his mind she showed interest, Remember at that time in France rape was not a crime against the women but a crime against her husband because its seen as a crime against his property ,

    Le Gris tells Pierre exactly what happened but refuses to call it rape ,

    Its a completely different time with completely different views of things ,They try to remind you of this in the court room when the guys says obviously she could not get pregnant by rape as science says you can only get pregnant if you enjoy it,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,311 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Ah indeed…but did it really work or enhance the story? It didn’t for me and others but others again it seemed to.


    I kind of know and think is pretty natural that in a time of constant war and intense physical labour that the physically most prepared will gain supremacy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    For me it did , it showed what he was like as a man ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,311 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Yeah it did, overall it just didnt put enough extra sauce in the story for me



  • Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭Fred Astaire


    It can be very, very on the nose at times - basically everything with the horse. And I would have rathered if they didn't actually confirm the correct account.

    But it's a good movie, and by todays appalling mainstream standard that's almost rare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,490 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Just seen this advertised for RTE1 on Monday night



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,297 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
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    Never seen this in the cinema. I blame the Pandemic for that. Kinda glad do as just like "Oppenheimer" I think I would have fell asleep watching this in the cinema but at home watching it on RTE on my own TV I found it very good and the acting was excellent. I would watch it again. Its sad that it was such a huge flop in the cinema. It deserved to do well was just unlucky with the timing of its release.

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