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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,624 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    She's the last person I want to defend, but she's not the only heritage architect I've met with near total resistance to change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    The public had their say anyway and poor Deirdre was left out in the cold, so hopefully the party learns something from that (finally).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,709 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Cycled from northside all the way to Dun Laoghaire today with my son - was an amazing experience to see our city being transformed - amazing how the North inner city is being reclaimed from industry and to be honest social depravation. Anyway - there is a great opportunity on the south keys - but it all comes to an end - I ended up cycling up a ramp into a pub at Brewdog at three locks square - is there any plan to join any of that up with Ringsend ?

    Anyway - we went out to Strand Road - and was sad to see that there basically is no progress on the full coastal route there. Crazy stuff - just get a small bit of the grass like Clontarf and get on with it.

    You get a bit lost and the surfaces are very poor till you eventually find the new path. What a job - great effort in Blackrock too - but feels a bit dangerous . We eventually go back on track and it was such a joy. A day we will not forget. I went all the way back to Malahide.

    I know we are only about 25 % there - but you can see the thing coming together - many people deserve a good bit of credit for having a long term vision to improve cycling.

    I know it is not perfect - and we still need to give it a faster harder push to finish it.

    But it was the first time in my life, I felt that we are taking back control of our city.

    And I'm a car lover.


    What a day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭Seaswimmer


    There is a plan for a pedestrian and cycling bridge to span the Dodder from Brewdog over to Ringsend. As far as I know it is all part of a larger plan to link up the proposed Irish Glass bottle site to the city for cyclists and pedestrians. The recent closing off of Cambridge Road to through traffic is welcome as well although the surface is very poor. Plans from Irishtown to Blackrock Park (where you hopefully rejoined the cycle path) are constantly changing and evolving but hopefully in your lifetime you can make it across the city to Dalkey on segregated cycling infrastructure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Well this is the problem isn't it.

    The cycleway belongs on the grass promenade, but some are fighting tooth and nail to put it on the roadway just to stick it to motorised traffic. They are also rolling out the 'biosphere' excuse for it not being possible, whereas in reality the UNESCO designation covers half the City and its water catchments and as you mention yourself, the off road cycleway and flood works on Clontarf Road exist with no problem,(not to mention the incinerator and poo factory within the "biosphere") so we can leave that plump red herring to one side!

    In any case, we await with patience the learned ruling from the High Court, which considering its now mid-summer, likely won't now materialise until the Michaelmas term in October.

    By which time of course the normalisation of society will have continued and the justification for the City Council's efforts will have evaporated anyway.

    What a terrible waste of time that could have progressed the absolutely viable off-road option and given this man some hope.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Totally agree, such a stupid idea to close Strand Road Northbound and move that heavy traffic onto the Merrion Road.

    The Merrion Road is a better route to town, nicer cycle through Ballsbridge and onto Merrion Sq etc, much nicer thsn going into Ringsend and onto Pearse street.

    It would have been impossible to turn right across moving traffic to get to Strand Road, you would have to dismount, wait for lights to change and then maybe wait for Dart to pass.

    You would be half way to the city if you stayed on Merrion Road.

    This whole plan is a monumental waste of money and there is no accountability, its no wonder the turnout in the local election was so poor, you ask yourself what is the point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    That’s some plump red herring that was used in court against the council then with environmental impact studies being demanded. You can’t have it both ways…nonsense but we want to use it in court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,651 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Having cycled the Merrion road to Merrion square route mentioned early, only this week, only someone sat behind the wheel of a vehicle could describe Ballsbridge onwards as "nice to cycle".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Well thankfully I'm not relying on you for a job so, but the developers I've worked for for over 30 years have always been pretty satisfied with the outcomes.

    I do say town planner because I'm old school (why that winds people up I'll never know) and I've worked in both the public sector (early on) and private sector. Ive sat on working groups for regional and national spatial planning, I deal with real life, real society in this Country and real economic development. You'll find plenty of my colleagues working for the likes of An Taisce and various other environmental and transport lobby groups and I'd make the opposite argument about some of them as you make about me, that they set aside the economic imperatives of their work because they are too wedded to idealism and academia rather than realistic planning and the fast changing needs of people and business.

    And maybe that's the nature of the game. And by the way don't insult me like that again or I'll report you for it, I've done nothing but suggest alternative views (which have widespread support in that local area). The irony of you describing them as pig ignorance when you're so blinkered and utterly inflexible in your own way is something else. And for a Mod to be so easily baited and quick to anger and personalise is actually disgusting.

    I suspect you're more than a little sore because you recognise now that Strand Road will never happen in the way proposed by the City a year ago, but that's still no excuse for playing the man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    It is, if that is what we are being paid to do. Don't be naive about that.

    As a practical example, if the planners involved with the Poolbeg and IGB sites nearby (and I'm not one) were to lose Strand Road and not be able to demonstrate capacity for a mix of mobility options, it could jeopardise the intensive development of that zone and the loss of several thousand homes from the pipeline. Do you think anyone in power is going to permit that?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭Seaswimmer


    Good Evening,


    I hope you are keeping well. Council Officials informed Councillors this evening that they intend to proceed with their plan to make Deansgrange Road one-way for traffic to create a two-way cycle track on the road.


    Councillors were told that the proposed one-way system would run from the junction with Kill Lane on the southern end to Springhill Avenue / Brookville Park at the northern end of Deansgrange Road.

      

    This would result in the rerouting of traffic (and the 84 and 84A bus services) to Baker's Corner and onto Abbey Road/Link Road, before rejoining Deansgrange Road. 


    You will recall the Zoom meeting I held when the issue was first proposed and the Council's public engagement process last October. 


    Over 6,430 submissions were made by members of the public on the wider project to improve safe cycling infrastructure in the County - of which 63% of respondents were in favour of improved facilities.


    However, in relation to the proposal for Deansgrange Road only 13% of submissions were in favour of the proposed one-way system. The full report is available here (the Deansgrange section is covered from page 64). 


    Given the lack of public support for the one-way system Council Officials undertook to examine two alternative options for the cycle route. Officials have now rejected these alternative options and they are proposing to proceed with the original plan. They propose to commence the works on or after Monday 27th September. 


    I understand that Councillors will consider the matter at their meeting in early September. Councillors Michael Clark (Killiney-Shankill) and Justin Moylan (Dún Laoghaire) have expressed concern about the proposal and they will ask for alternatives to be considered.  


    You can engage with Councillors by email at grpcouncillors@dlrcoco.ie or individually, details here


    The change will obviously have significant implications for some businesses in the area. They should contact the Council at 01 205 4700 / info@dlrcoco.ie to get more information about what it will mean for access to their premises.

      

    If you have any queries or feedback, please get in touch, 


    Kind regards,


    Cormac


    Cormac Devlin TD

    Fianna Fáil TD for Dún Laoghaire 


    Dáil Éireann

    Leinster House

    Kildare Street



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The 'Deansgrange Says No To One Way' Facebook group is now in existence and is sending out invites widely.

    I expect nothing less than another active and well funded opposition campaign in this case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,709 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Just put cycle path on grass / flood defense wall and get on with it.

    Absolute bullshit going on.

    Worried about a tiny bit of grass and poxy seagulls.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,210 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    "a well funded opposition campaign"

    shur that's what matters. financial might=right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    So 2 alternatives were considered and rejected. FF now asking that "alternatives" be considered. What are the alternatives @Larbre34 ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Don't ask me, I've no skin in this one, I just noticed the Facebook activity on the subject.

    Without having seen the alternatives and on the face of it, I would just say don't do anything, as there is a decent cycle corridor on the parallel N11 just a short distance away. I'm not sure what a section of segregated route in isolation, running from Stradbrook to Deansgrange will achieve.

    I'd also question it being presented as a fait accompli to Councillors just as the Council goes into summer recess. It'd be sharp enough practice if they tried to install it between now and September, though that does appear to be what's intended.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,624 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    What does the "decent cycle corridor" on the N11 look like? I've never seen anything more than a bit of white paint.

    There actually is a very decent motoring corridor on the N11, three lanes each way for most of it, so presumably that addresses the concerns of anyone worried about the switch to one-way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    whether the N11 is decent or not, it's not much use to someone cycling to school or the shops in Deansgrange.

    Just close the road entirely to cars - sure the M50 is only a few KM away, you can do your driving there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭Seaswimmer


    But it is not in isolation. It forms a key section of the proposed Park to Park route linking Blackrock Dart Station to Killiney Beach. At present when you exit Clonkeen Park in Deansgrange village, you are dumped out on a busy road with no safe route to continue on to the next section of the route at Brookville.

    The alternatives looked at I believe were to go up to Bakers corner, left down Abbey Road, left on the link road and rejoin the route. An uphill diversion of almost a kilometre

    Also " a decent cycle corridor" on the N11 is far from accurate as anyone who uses it can testify..

    Another proposal to compliment this is to open a through route through the cemetery from this cycle path up to Holly Park thereby making 2 or 3 large national schools accessible safely by bike from that end of the catchment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,624 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Here's part of the 'decent cycle corridor', dumping cyclists into a narrow pinch point with pedestrians.

    https://streamable.com/1l5ddh



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I like that cycle,Ballsbridge is a lovely area and so is Merrion Square.

    Its certainly a lot nicer than cycling into Ringsend and onto Pearse Street via Strand Road( with or without a cycle lane)

    And I wouldn’t turn right onto Strand Road in moving traffic unless I was on a suicide mission.

    Making Strand Road one way will make the Merrion Road even busier and it will ruin Sandymount village



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Financial, or otherwise. The opposition Facebook group had 65 members yesterday, it has just shy of 400 today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭trellheim


    the new cycle track on Victoria quay is horrendous and actually increases the danger to cyclists as you now have to cross into the lane occupied by high speed buses in order to cross the bridge outside Heuston to go towards the Phoenix park. Previously you could occupy the middle of the old bus lane and make them overtake properly


    And before anyone tells me they can wait at the top , just watched for 45 minutes and 10/10 cyclists crossed left to right outside the Guinness factory exits



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,367 ✭✭✭cletus


    I've no skin in this game at all, I've just been following the thread. Your comment interested me. What sort of funding, other than financial, would you envision?


    In fact, what other sort of funding is there, apart from financial?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Support. Huge numbers. Electoral pressure on sitting Councillors. It's all good collateral.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,367 ✭✭✭cletus


    But none of that falls under funding. You very specifically used that word, which, to my knowledge, has no other meaning, or ambiguity in understanding.


    Funding refers to money. Did you mean to say something else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    Yes, a ridiculous design but there is something here that cyclists.........myself included, need to be aware of. It's the sign just as the cycle path goes left to go behind the bus stop. It says "Pedestrian Priority". I live in the area an have regularly seen cyclists approach this point at ridiculous speed, yes I know its downhill but a little bit of sense is needed to avoid a collision with pedestrians, dog walkers etc. I doubt that many have ever seen the sign or pay any heed to it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The residents of Blackrock managed to prevent Avoca Avenue being turned into a cul de sac.

    This idea was originally proposed in 1998 and seen off by residents then too. This move would have directed traffic down narrow residential roads that local children cycle to school and to the local tennis club on.

    Its as if these zealots dont even understand local traffic movement, its bewildering.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,172 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    There's a cycle light at the end for crossing but it's a joke. Waited for 5 minutes at it the last time before giving up and taking my chances with a gap in the traffic.



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