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Has the 1 week downtime & move to vanilla killed this place?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 710 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    I'm beginning to think the boards owners fell for one of those scams doing the rounds at present when they hired the developers for this rubbish. Politics.ie did something similar years back and lost over 70% of their posters over the course of the next few months.

    Shambles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭-=al=-


    Tried to use the mobile for a few days and it's impossible to the point I don't even bother anymore


    Finally got around to using it on a Desktop and it looks ok, however the functions are unnecessarily renamed and impossible to navigate along with the site loading incredibly slow


    Hard to even read posts with the tiny text and huge white space. There's no need for facebook, twitter or like icons either in every single post



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭h2005


    The new site is a terrible experience . I access it only on my phone and it’s a nightmare to navigate. Is there any going back? Or at least to something that had the same UX?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,484 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    See you all in r/Ireland.


    This sucks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,298 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Rollback or fail, you couldn't make up what has happened, I hope whoever owns the site as a good contract with vanilla that means they can sue them, there used to be a full site option so you didn't need this desktop crap, it works OK on desktop but I only access boards or the Internet on my phone so end up switching every time I access boards, not user friendly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    yeah and simultaneously to that happening there has been an explosion of Covid posts on r/ireland so that explains whats happened



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    I'm afraid that I agree with most of the criticisms aired here, and I'm an old timer on Boards for nearly 17 years so I've seen the changes over the years. I understand the need to upgrade the system at times and the need for the occasional downtime for maintenance/upgrades etc.

    The mobile site is nigh on impossible to use - madness in this era of smartphones and many - if not most - posters accessing boards through their phone. The my forums and followed threads option appears gone. There are two Current Affairs forums...

    One full week was far too long for the site to be down, and whilst undoubtedly the great weather was a factor in a huge drop off in posts, the week offline and the user unfriendly new layout is a major factor.

    The web developer who re-did the site made a complete balls up of it. Take heed of the views of your users, boards - no or too few users = curtains.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,635 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I agree this new boards is crap and all, but I see people talking about going to reddit and twitter and I think, really?

    Twitter is kinda toxic to me, everyone seems to be frantically trying to get as much attention and re-tweets as possible and there's no real actual discussion either from what I can see. Dislike the place to be honest.

    And a week or so of using r/Ireland made me think that the place is terribly overrated. It's not that bustling with activity, most of the threads aren't that interesting, discussion isn't great overall - the format sucks for it - and whatever about the many user unfriendly features of this version of boards it's still better to look at and has far more functionality than reddit. Reddit is just plain ugly. Boards isn't what it was, that's for damn sure, but it's still streets ahead in terms of what it offers than r/ireland.

    As for that GUBU site: look, fair play to them I guess. I gotta give some respect to someone who was so pissed off that they were willing to set up their own alternative site, not just talk about it - and some posters have signed up whose hearts are in the right place. But the likeliest outcome for the site is it just becoming a magnet for people kicked off boards or with a grievance against the site - the amount of stupid over there could be potentially reach maxed out levels fair quick. It'll definitely attract a crowd of some, but I don't think much of what they have to say will be worth a whole lot. Maybe not, we'll see. Don't think the UI over there is really better than this either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,452 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The new design has broken the Boards.ie's information architecture. That is going to make the main asset of Boards (its historical posts) difficult to use. Conversations and discussions are now more difficult to follow.

    Regards...jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,497 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Your Posts can be found - with a bit of digging:

    On your profile page, click on Comments (at the bottom of page).

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭noplacehere


    @Arghus I think the difference is that I’ve been signed up to Reddit for a few years now but never ‘got’ it. But because boards was offline for so long I ended up finding an app I liked for it. I started organising my subreddits and I’ve created multireddits for myself. It’s now my go to before boards because of the downtime and now because of how inaccessible mobile is.

    When I pop onto boards now I scan the first page. If nothing interesting I leave. I can’t deal with trying to find anything and even as I type this the draft saving pops up in front of what I’m typing. It’s infuriating. I love boards for being Irish, discussions related to ireland and for getting specific help. Reddit doesn’t quite fill the gap but it’s helping and has opened up other areas for me to read

    It doesn’t take many like me who find a new normal (sorry I couldn’t resist!)



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    And a week or so of using r/Ireland made me think that the place is terribly overrated. It's not that bustling with activity, most of the threads aren't that interesting, discussion isn't great overall - the format sucks for it - and whatever about the many user unfriendly features of this version of boards it's still better to look at and has far more functionality than reddit. Reddit is just plain ugly. Boards isn't what it was, that's for damn sure, but it's still streets ahead in terms of what it offers than r/ireland.


    Yeah I really don't get the reddit love and I'm on a few subs there. Not r/Ireland though. I don't think I've ever posted there. Read it a fair bit down the years. I could be wrong but always got the impression it was a bit Politics.ie revamped as far as the vibe went. Which is grand if that's your bag. Though it seems to have had an uptick in popularity in the last fortnight.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Ya, boards is a lot quieter since the update, and whilst some will say the weather is the cause of that, that wouldn't have lead to this amount of a drop. To me the week offline and then this abomination are the cause of it, and I don't think you can fix this site fast enough to stop it. It's rollback or this site is done for imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    I always found reddit very difficult to use. The posts just seem to be all over the place. Much easier to read the posts here, even with the recent change.



  • Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭thehairygrape


    I got promoted as well. Don’t know what it means either. Very pleased for some reason, but now worried that relegation is an option😄.

    Finding it hard to navigate new site, but I’m not great at that sort of stuff anyway. Probably work it out is six or seven years so I’ll keep at it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    one hour downtime today,

    fingers crossed they'll just revert to the old Boards.ie

    (any management reading this? - please do)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ok I'm getting cross with it now 😡



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭Zaney


    I find that I naturally skim read posts now and they seem very uninteresting. Think it’s a combination of the layout, colour but also how quoted posts are shown - much harder to follow a thread unless you invest time. Or maybe it’s that some good posters haven’t come back.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,714 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    If they can fix the following:

    • a decent way to access your subscribed forums
    • a decent way to access your subscribed threads, especially notifications about new content in them
    • bringing you to the last post you were at in a thread when you click on it again
    • bringing back the visual cue of normal vs. bold text for threads you've clicked on

    Then I think they'll have restored the key functionality that will see use increase again. If they don't then I'm sorry to say I think the place will see a decrease in traffic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,698 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I can't exactly put my finger on why it's so bad.

    Normally if the content is there I'd be happy enough and wouldn't be one to get overly upset about a few click extra here and there. A forum I read and post in a fair bit has definitely slowed down and I'm not coming here as much. I feel oddly distanced from the discussions now for some reason?

    And it's not r/ireland that's winning me over. I don't get the format at all.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Unfortunately the new format is far less intuitive and I find myself connecting far less.

    Many forums are dying (I guess replaced by Facebook groups or other social media), and I fear the new Boards format will not help at all.

    Was any user testing done before (such as through a focus group)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Is there any way to go to the first unread post in a thread? That's vital for any enjoyment of the site for me.

    Maybe it's there somewhere and I'm just too old to find it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭Vita nova


    I can see the comments section on the mobile version but not on the PC version (Chrome browser), maybe my browser needs updating or that feature is off on the PC version at the moment.



  • Posts: 44 [Deleted User]


    Have they made it impossible to close your account ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,617 ✭✭✭archfi


    It's not available in settings anywhere yet.

    They've said an email to hello@boards.ie will start the process manually.

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,617 ✭✭✭archfi


    Desktop here mainly - no list of my comments available.

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



  • Registered Users Posts: 710 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    Is it not just possible to revert to the old interface? This is horrid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Weird one here? You have just made two posts. If I hover the mouse over your username on the second post the View Profile/Send Private Message drop down appears below your username on your previous post.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Hopefully the shutdown later today will fix some of the issues, still prefer the old boards.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    It is not just a new interface. All of the data has been moved to a new platform. One that is based outside the EU so god knows what the GDPR implications of that are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,584 ✭✭✭✭Creamy Goodness


    my thoughts:

    A week was enough for me to lose my muscle memory habits of just checking boards when I have a spare minute during the day.

    I don't mind the new layout per se, I can see potential in it, for example "Save Draft" looks like an interesting feature.

    However things are just harder to find, I replied to a thread on latest threads earlier this morning, and I cannot find it now. Following Forums/Threads are completely broken (hoping fix comes soon) and marking threads/forums as read is compounding this. TBH if that was fixed, it would help 99% of the problems I have with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,617 ✭✭✭archfi


    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    I find it impossible to know if its dead or not, so overly difficult to navigate around!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    You gotta jump through some manual hoops!

    Not ideal, but still looks a lot better imo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    crap layout and not user friendly especially on mobile with no option to switch to desktop. No drop down menus/list of categories and topics



  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Tilden Katz


    I miss easily being about to find out who has quoted me so that I can reply. If they've gone to the trouble of replying to me, I generally like to reciprocate unless they are one of my very small list of ignored users. I also miss being able to search for my favourite forum members easily. These things actually do matter to me when using this site and I'm not finding either that easy. And I only like using the site on my laptop. My phone - I'll use it reluctantly but it looks awful and is not easy to use. So that's pretty much out for me.

    Maybe the things I miss seem petty but the internet is a tough town. It doesn't take much to lose one's attention.



  • Registered Users Posts: 710 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    No idea but i won't be hanging around to find out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    The Vanilla software running Boards is made by a Canadian company, but according to the footer down there 👇️, it's still hosted by Digiweb, who are Irish, so I don't think there's any changes in this regard to when it was running on vBulletin (a US company).

    To those saying roll back, that's clearly not going to happen. The fundamental architecture behind the old system was crumbling, something had to be done. The issues we're seeing now are mainly interface ones. They're the ones users notice the most, but are also easier to fix. There's also a certain amount of getting used to anything new to contend with.

    I've certainly been frustrated by a few things (some glitches when posting, no way to delete a post, no Subscribed forum list, threads aren't automatically bookmarked when you post, some layout issues), but there are some positives too - uploading images is much better now, there's more icons, posts you're writing get auto-saved as drafts. I'm willing to give it some time for both the team to fix things and for me to get use to it.

    I'm on a few specific, what are they, subs?, on Reddit - but only because they're the only active places with up-to-date discussion about the particular topics that I've found. I've never posted there - I don't even think I can. I don't like the interface at all, and the general atmosphere there doesn't appeal to me. I don't look in the r/Ireland bit at all, no interest.


    Oh, one thing Boards need to fix is the "Like" button. I know things are a bit quieter at the moment, and that could be the downtime, the migration, the weather or a combination of all 3, but I definitely think there's less "thanks" being given out by people, and I think that's at least partly down to the button being called "Like" now, with a Facebook thumb-up. It make it look like if you click on it, it'll somehow post to FB, which may be making people wary of doing so. I think they should rename it "Thanks" and change the icon - it's the Boards way. I think they should also get rid of the Twitter and FB sharing icons. I know they're almost obligatory, but we're all here because it's not Facebook or Twitter.

    Also, I'm a little sad that all the attachments and thanks from the old site are gone. That's a lot of Irish internet history lost. Maybe they can migrate them back over at some point.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 854 ✭✭✭beveragelady


    Don't like it. I am naturally averse to change so I kept reminding myself to give it a chance and I'll get used to it and it'll all be fine.

    Here's what I still don't like:

    ... Totally disconnected from previous contributions. Old posts are lost. I'm sure they're there, but I can't find them. 'Thanks' etc are all gone. (I can find the threads where I posted, but have to trawl through to find posts.)

    ... Much harder to get to the little corners I used to visit.

    ...Peering at small text while arctic vastness occupies huge portions of the screen.

    ... In general, in a way I can't quite pin down, the site seems much bigger. Everything is further away, harder to see and less personal. It's like being lost in a massive hypermarket in a foreign country in the fog.

    ... There seems to be a general lack of traffic to generate anything to read or respond to. I think this is the biggest difficulty. I'm sure all the "where's my stuff" and "how do I..." difficulties will be resolved, but when I glance down the front page nothing asks to be clicked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,941 ✭✭✭sporina


    the site is woeful.. I would not know where to begin with its faults.. feck all right with it..

    any hope of it improving???? thats what I wanna know



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I'm not sure that is true. Boards is on the hosted version of Vanilla as far as I can figure. They are getting support for vanilla for the move which lends credence to that. Vanilla don't do that for people on the free version. The text at the bottom has not changed since before the move. To my mind they just copied the text from the previous version and didn't bother to update it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Good point about the footer. None of the links in it work.

    Just came across another annoyance. I can't edit the quoted text above to highlight a particular bit. Usually for a reply like this I wouldn't quote your entire post - I'd just pick out the specific relevant bit like "to my mind they just copied the text from the previous version and didn't bother to update it" that I'm replying to. That's annoying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    it certainly is. another annoyance to add to the list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    All the basic practicalities that make a discussion site functional and attractive to post in have been bizarrely removed. The mobile site could not be more of a disaster imo. I’m more of a browser/poster while doing other things like watching tv or on the bus and can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve used boards on desktop, so I’m really struggling with the update. Can’t find any of the threads I used to view/participate in, and even if I could, meh, the interest is just not there.


    I loved the layout of the older design and how the “latest posts” enticed you to click in and engage with the recent happenings but what it has been replaced with just doesn’t have the same draw for me. I’m not looking for new threads which is something I would regularly do. Even as I’m writing this post on mobile it’s not auto scrolling for me as I reach the end of the space, little things like that aren’t conducive to a touch site in this day and age. I shouldn’t have to stop posting and manually roll down. I could pick up my phone before and be reading one thread and one hour later be reading something entirely different on another forum. It was a testament to how user friendly and flexible the site was. The link that allowed that to happen has been broken for me.

    I just hate it tbh. The old design had everything I needed from a touch site. Easy to use, functional, inviting and could work it with my eyes closed. This by comparison feels like a massive step back. All of the little things that had me previously attached to the place are now gone



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    The excess white space is highly off-putting alright - does not work well AT ALL for reading a forum imo 🤮

    The old style was far "tighter" which suited a mainly text site.

    Another thing (of many) is that only full posts can be quoted - not just parts of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭Tork


    I get the impression that they got so caught up in sorting the background issues and the technicalities around migrating the data, the end user's experience became an afterthought. Old Boards was far from perfect and I'm sure the people working behind the scenes have stories to tell about the crumbling infrastructure. But it worked and people were able to find their way around the place. We're now learning how important site navigation is, and how frustrating it is to try and find your favourite forums if you can't subscribe to them any more.

    It's easy to be wise after the event but the people behind Boards should have done more testing of the actual site. If numbers are limited behind the scenes (I think I saw mention of a handful of staff and one developer), why didn't they reach out to the people who use Boards regularly? There are people out there who would have gladly helped out with the testing of the new interface and would've given helpful feedback. Again and again, we're seeing people asking about Dark Mode. Why was that not an option from the get go? Why is the mobile version of the site so badly hobbled? That should have been a priority, not the desktop version. From my experience of dealing with software developers, they like to tell you what you should have, and are a lot less willing to give you what you actually need (unless you pay up, of course). It looks like the people behind Boards went to Vanilla like lambs to the slaughter and didn't know what they wanted.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,357 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    I 100% agree about the ease of use of the old layout. I am lamenting the loss of the 'Most Thanked' feature (well of course thanks are no longer an option, just likes which are not the same, imo). I often found my way to a thread or into a forum I would not visit otherwise by running through the Most Thanked posts on any given day.

    I can't explain this but I know others have said similar, it feels like shouting into the void now, when posting, rather than having a chat or a discussion. It's not user friendly at all. I mostly use the desktop version and am adapting to some of the new things, as I go along, but the feel, overall, is just not great.

    I already use and read other discussion fora like Reddit, but boards was my favourite for all kinds of chat, serious, or funny, and often enlightening too.

    I'm sure that it needed an upgrade from a technical point of view, and I am hopeful that some things will improve, but can't help thinking that overall, this wasn't the best choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Not only would there be people willing to beta test there would be people willing to test that actually do that for a living. I'm not sure they did any beta testing at all.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Can I just say that whilst the migration and site revamp have been below par and might well have negatively impacted the number of regular posters, posts like some on this thread which offer nothing but criticism, frustration, anger and negativity do nothing to help the admins in terms of constructive feedback.

    It's like a mirror image of the Current Affairs forum, where negativity, judgmental attitudes, ignorance, anger, and bitterness seem to predominate much of the time.

    Perhaps the admins could set up a survey to see how the users of Boards want the site to develop going forward as a way to mitigate all the problems associated with the migration. One thing is certain: it was not thought through properly.



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