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Marvel's Black Widow

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭santana75


    I'd agree with that. Its bad, and I dont say that lightly. Waiting for the extra scene after the credits its unreal to see how many people worked on this movie. And I have no doubt they worked very hard and very long hours. Which makes it more painful that the finished product is so poor. Its the story thats the problem.......there is no story and without an engaging plot, it doesnt matter about anything else really. Saw the fast and the furious 9 a couple weeks back and Black widow makes that movie look like The Godfather.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    what was the point of the prison escape scene?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭santana75


    I think you're seeing completely different reviews than the ones I read because the critics were falling over themselves trying not to say anything that could in any way be perceived as not bigging up the female leads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    Agree with this. Hoping it would be great but no, it is poor. Some scenes I felt there was an awkwardness between the actors. I dunno, there has been sooooo many MCU films at this stage, is it time to just stop?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    I thought the movie was fine. Fairly typical marvel fare at this stage. I like the them, especially as family movies. I'm certainly not a fan but you can always be sure of reasonably good movie with MCU. I know they're formulaic but there is still a market for movies like that.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    If you think it's time for the MCU to stop, regardless of one's position - it only reveals being shielded from reality. Obviously the poster hadn't heard of Phase 4 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,297 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
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    Just a tip for anyone who has not yet seen Black Widow or has decided to go see it a second time. There is a post credits scene. I only heard about myself of the brother who just told me. Raging as when the film credits started to roll at the cinema I was in they turned on the lights straight away so I assumed there was none.

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I wish this was an option. I've 2 boys, 10 and 8, I'm going to have to sit through the absolute pony that is the MCU for a while yet.

    I read this thread because I'm a massive Scarlett Johansson fan. She's a wonderful actress, when given something to work with. She is wasted in the MCU. I was hoping they may have changed this with her own film. Pity they didn't get Taiki Wahtiti to direct it, Jojo Rabbit was amazing and Thor Ragnorak is actually a good film.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I thought this showed both the strengths and weaknesses of the MCU as a whole myself, so it won't challenge anyone's confirmation bias; but as I feared, it had an inescapable sense of redundancy throughout, given it was the franchise's first proper prequel.

    To the good: the direction during the quieter character moments was strong, while even the action itself was decent for once, with a PG13 crunchiness in its first fights. The set-pieces more likely helmed by Cate Shortland herself were well staged; in fact, it served as reminder that the Russo's might be masters of logistics, but they're dreadful directors of chaos. Shortland showed a much better head for geography and impact, the camera never truly losing its mind through cuts and hyperactivity.

    To the bad though: even after all that excellent, low stakes thrill of the MI or Bourne lineage, the finale of CGI destruction hit like whiplash, the biggest hat-tip of executive privilege stressed into the script. And foreshadowing with a clip from Moonraker ultimately felt like I was a little lamp-shaded when the location was revealed. I know the automatic response - that's the brand, what do you expect! - and that's fair to a point, but when the rest of the film did solid work to distance itself from the tropes, to drop the ball at the end disappointed. Some of the quippy patter was crudely inserted in places and undermined the tone of the aforementioned character moments. Again, that's the brand but it has been done better.

    On the whole though, I enjoyed it way more than I expected - but respect too why it might have frustrated others.

    Ray Winstone's accent though. Ye gods. Why hire the most English of actors to then have him play Russian??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    The last act truly was garbage.

    It's not that the fight scenes before were totally reasonable, but they were reasonable enough. They also tried to do this see-sawing Ocean's 11-style reverse plot reveal thing, and invented a plot device and then resolved it within 30 seconds with Ray Winstone's magic smell.

    That stuff only works when you work it into the plot earlier so you can actually register its effect, and don't know how it's going to be resolved. Then you can be surprised when you're shown the flashback outlining the plan, and get to experience momentary dramatic irony before it jumps back to the present and the plot point is resolved. It's like they wrote themselves into a corner, and realised they had an explosion quota to meet, and another 15 minutes of film to fill up.

    I really really hated the line about the only unlimited resource being young girls. That's not a thing that makes any sense to say. He may as well have twirled his moustache and said "I sure do like killing puppies".

    "Watch this giant corporate behemoth punch misogyny in the face, literally! Girl Power!" Also, watch these long shots following Scarlett Johansson's arse.

    I also don't see the point in getting a bunch of English and American actors to put on Eastern European/Russian accents. The only one who's actually from that neck of the woods in the film didn't even get any lines. This surely didn't need to be a vehicle for David Harbor. At least with the Winter Soldier, they got a guy who can actually speak about 12 languages and is from Eastern Europe.

    In its own right, it was passable. As an element of the ongoing story of the MCU, it was largely pointless. It would've been slightly better if it had been released after Civil War, but it quite possibly would've been a different film then.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I've seen it said now a few times in recent years that "pre-vis" is what's killing these sorts of blockbusters from an authorial point of view; that before the nominal director has stepped onboard, various set-pieces have been workshopped, pre-visualised and locked in - so at best the 2nd Unit director might have some work but the FX heavy stuff requires little from the director. I'd be genuinely surprised if Shortland had any hand in that last act, beyond those brief interstitials between CGI ScarJos leaping about. What made the difference here was that in the downtime you could clearly see the director's talents at work, making the dissonance between the Quiet & Loud more overt than other directors in the MCU stable.

    As to Ray Winstone: the annoying thing is he is a good actor, he's just not the man you call when you vant a Rrrushan acksunt cor blimey. Funny how in 2021 so much is frowned on yet funny accents are still OK. But like you said the actual character itself was so badly constructed, that's the real offence. Nothing to say beyond "evil man hates women, please boo". Which, ya know. Fine. Trafficking is a scourge, and something that needs more light shone on it - but I don't think Black Widow is the medium to challenge it either. Mad Max: Fury Road was no less subtle in a women-as-things narrative, but handled it with more brio and intelligence. If the script had the nerve to have a last-minute twist that shock ...

    Taskmaster wasn't under the influence of the dust & just really hated Natasha 'cos she blew her up, ruining her life ...

    I think that might have been a more interesting take on the story; especially given Black Widow was supposedly coming to terms with her past. I suppose blowing up a kid was bad enough, but the last act felt like a Get Out Of Jail Card at the same time. Maybe.

    The Red Letter Media review joked about how Winstone's character kinda, sorta looked like Martin Scorcese, wondering if this was a wink towards his comments against the Marvel movies. Probably not, but still...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Even if you look at Thor: Ragnarok - what I think is genuinely good on the merits as a comedy adventure film, and not just enjoyable mush you stuff into your eyes, the weakest parts are, by a distance, the fight scenes, other than the one between Thor and the Hulk, which is probably down to the non-fighty stuff in that scene - the cutaways to Tom Hiddleston, and the one-way conversation Thor is having with the Hulk.

    I don't know whether they did the same system of divided labour between the "filmy" stuff being done by the director, and the "explodey" stuff done by some egg-heads, but at any rate, the quality of the film was in how it played to the strengths of the cast and the director.

    I don't know if that's always been a problem, and I don't think it was the case for the Russo Brothers films - whatever you think about them, I don't think there's the same sense of detachment from the action in those films.

    It seemed like they didn't want to have a situation where Romanoff could be anything other than perfectly heroic. Yes she blew her up, but she saved her in the end, so all's well that ends well, right?

    The alternative, giving Taskmaster agency, and her having chosen to work for her father, would've robbed Romanoff of the chance to make amends. All she could do then would be to kill her, preventing any more harm, which is maybe too morally ambiguous for a Marvel film. I was actually surprised they even had her kill a child (even if it turned out not to have stuck).

    With the sort of rotund, scraggly greying beard thing going on, I assumed it was more a Weinstein jab.

    I don't think the way you have a jab at people who make snobbish criticisms about your films is to portray them as human traffickers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Found it fairly boring tbh, overlong and the final part of the film was ridiculously bad. Started alright and I do enjoy Scarlett Johansson but there was very little for her to do here. The sister was the one with the push I assume they will have her in films at some point replacing Scarlett?

    Having adolescent kids isn't all its cracked up to be folks, been some very enjoyable MCU films don't get me wrong, this just wasn't one of them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,673 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    not a horrible film just boring and a bit meh, interesting start to see where it might be going, just fell apart after that , no real momentum in the film. Kids would be bored with this too with the lack of pace. And let me get this straight, the Widows are female because there are too many girls? what kind of weird ass writing is that?

    Looks like it might struggle to turn a profit, it had a huge 2nd week drop off.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭Lujan


    I found it pretty poor.

    Weak enough story, plenty of pointless filler, poor fights.

    Wasn't expecting much from the movie, but was still disappointed.

    Shame because I have enjoyed all of the other MCU movies



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It's funny how often the villain seemingly fails to register in the scriptwriter's priorities - or Feige I suppose - if we're talking about where the creative buck stops. I guess they're simply a means to an end with the series, a figurative or literal obstruction for the hero's goals as part of the big FX set-piece in the 3rd act. The obvious, big exception being Thanos - and the few times a film gets to craft a decent villain (ala Killmonger in Black Panther). And when they ARE half-decent, they're invariably killed off.

    I wonder if Feige or somebody has ever commented or talked candidly on the subject; lord knows the superhero genre is kinda known for its structure of Hero vs. Villain, and for all the things the MCU does right it's a consistent wrinkle for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,671 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Was an ok film - not much to choose from at the mo in terms of entertainment so maybe I'm ranking it higher than it deserves

    Not something I would bother giving a second watch

    The family dynamic scenes were a bit ridiculous - trying to be funny but were just stupid



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    The Good: Cate Shortland, Florence Pugh and Scarlett Johansson. Out with the old and in with the Pugh.


    The Bad: The villains.


    The Ugly: CGI and that awful sky fight. I didn’t think they could top the Black Panther one, but hey, there you go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,673 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The ugly CGI was especially annoying given how many times this movie got its release bumped back; there was plenty of time to fine tune the FX once the original release date was CoVid'ed. They must have had it "complete" before the first release date, and a standard rush job at that.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,723 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I think the big CG finale is more irksome in this case because the car chase shows you can have these characters in a more grounded, down-to-Earth action set piece - something particularly fitting for a non ‘super-powered’ hero like Black Widow or Hawkeye.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The MCU films have much of its set pieces locked in through pre-vis stages; I doubt many of its directors bar perhaps Gunn and Wahtiti, maybe the Russo's, have an active hand in the FX heavy action scenes. It's a rumour/open secret going around that marvel discourage its directors from "doing" the action (and apparently another director in line for Black Widow said as much, after she expressed enthusiasm to helm those parts).

    Gender has nothing to do with it TBH, and if anything Shortland obviously showed chops with the more physical scenes such as in Budapest. A finale of physical stuntwork would have been awesome; while the Moonraker finale, I'd put money on being shielded from those pesky onset creatives.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,723 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Yep, it's a shared problem across pretty much every single MCU film. For me, it stands out more in Black Panther and Black Widow as those are two of the only films in the franchise I actually kinda like as standalone films (alongside the likes of Thor Ragnarok) - but both of which are regrettably undermined by particularly generic MCU third acts.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It was irritating me who the other director was; the one offered the Black Widow gig before Cate Shortland got it - so dug it out: Lucrecia Martel (Zama). By her words, she sounded pretty stoked to direct BW, but went cold when she was told she wouldn't have any hand in the action scenes.

    “They also told me, ‘Don’t worry about the action scenes, we will take care of that.’ I was thinking, well I would love to meet Scarlett Johansson but also I would love to make the action sequences.


    Companies are interested in female filmmakers but they still think action scenes are for male directors. The first thing I asked them was maybe if they could change the special effects because there’s so many laser lights. I find them horrible. Also the soundtrack of Marvel films is quite horrendous. Maybe we disagree on this but it’s really hard to watch a Marvel film. It’s painful to the ears to watch Marvel films.”

    The second paragraph suggests she might have been a little too eager to shake up the formula a little, but does go some way to show just how set in stone set-pieces are. Martel could have had some interesting, imaginative set-pieces in mind but nope, just do the talky bits please. Another article I'm reading claims Winter Soldier had 90+ minutes of previs. That's crazy stuff - especially given that was one of the relatively more ground-level films. To be fair, for something as humungous as Infinity War, it made total sense to previs every last minute.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,723 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Lucrecia Martel has a much stronger visual storytelling signature than Shortland, so not surprising at all she clashed with the studio.

    I always go back to Edgar Wright - the one working director perhaps most naturally suited to bringing a Marvel comic book style to life, but hit 'creative differences' with the studio. How Chloe Zhao's Eternals fares is perhaps the most interesting lingering question, as someone with such distinct arthouse sensibilities has yet to take on one of these films.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The trailer was very evocative of Zhao's style, but then if what we know continues to hold true, presumably whatever big set pieces mark Eternals' major narrative moments will have been agreed upon with or without the director's thoughts. And given that film looks more steeped in the magical and uncanny, there may even be more previs than something like Black Widow.

    But hey: the MCU have their formula, and I'm not naive to think Phase IV is going herald some giant experimental swing away from what has clearly worked very well for the studio. Really the only grumble is when a movie swerves one way, then 180s back to type by the movie's end.

    It'll be interesting to see if Sam Raimi's noted creative flair will find itself in the Dr. Strange sequel; that's one director who has a distinct bag of visual tricks - not unlike Edgar Wright - so we'll see if the final film has any reflection of that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    I watched this over the weekend while I was working. It was grand, and some bits were better than others. I heard someone earlier saying the prison scene was pointless, but i thought it was fun. But it was mainly there as a CGI set piece.

    I've never really liked Scarlet Johansson as an actor, and I think Florence Pugh showed her up in a lot of the scenes.

    David Harbour was brilliant though, played his character really well.

    Ray Winstone, I just don't understand why he was cast if he couldn't pull off the accent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    any male MCU directors have a lot of help with actions/cgi scenes having not done many before ?


    cate shortland (half-jokingly) said she was hiding from marvel because she didn't think she could do it, they've picked many directors who had a big leap in budget and scale of film Im sure they all had to depend on the other department heads

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Black panther's CGI end fight on the trains wasn't great but the rest of the effects were good with Ryan Coogler making a big point of how much the studio does to help for the CGI for less familiar directors.

    Creed was his biggest and that was only ~35m and a lot of sub million stuff and shorts. People can't expect to be handed 200m and let off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    So I didn't hyperlink Ryan Coogler's name and it is, so that's new.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Are you sure you didn’t paste it from somewhere?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    I thought it was good.

    Something about the actress playing the young Natasha (what was with the blue hair) reminded me more of a young Milla Jochovich rather than Scarlet Johannssen.

    Going forward with Florence Pugh. I hope they keep the accent and don't americanize it like with Scarlet Witch.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    This has pulled in $262 million worldwide so far; like everything else released ATM, I can't figure if this is good, bad or about right for CoVid era cinemas. The other factor of course being it's a premium "purchase" on Disney+.

    I'm only fascinated because I wonder if this is how things will be moving forward - is the era of the 1+ billon blockbuster on the way out? Which, IIRC, was what the last MCU film made

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    I thought the exact same about the young Nashasa - so wasn't surprised to find out she's actually Milla's daughter! She's the spit of her.

    Also, really liked this movie even though I haven't been excited about MCU stuff for a good while. It had a bit of humour that's been sorely missing (with the exception of Ragnarok).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,723 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Ive seen the film referred to as both a success and disappointment in terms of box office, so we’re still very much in the pandemic uncertainty period.

    It is an interesting turning point for the series even beyond that. It’s a weird follow-up film for a character who is already dead in the series. It comes after the years-long build up reached its fairly definitive conclusion with Endgame. You have a whole bunch of unknown and b-tier characters next up on the roster. And the MCU has now very much become ‘home entertainment’ as well with the TV series and even this film’s digital release (personally, I think the series has long been more akin to a serialised tv show - in terms of both narrative and aesthetics- than cinema, so it’s a natural fit). You’d also have to wonder if a sort of saturation point has been reached - I’m sure they were hits by streaming metrics, but Loki and Falcon didn’t seem to have the same sort of cultural impact as Mandalorian or even WandaVision.

    So it’s kind of a weird time for the mega-franchise, and hard to know what way it’ll go - hard to judge from one film released at the tail end of a pandemic. But it will be an interesting year or two while we see if the upcoming films return to being reliable megahits - I’m sure no Disney+ releases will be a helping hand in that regard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Them making $262m with substantially less advertisement than if it was getting a global theatrical release, traditional box office is the full door price so includes cinemas cut. But $262m with a $200m budget plus whatever they did spend on advertising.

    30 for premium plus whatever amount of new Disney plus subs they got (which probably wasn't included in figure), who might now stay around watching Wandavision, F&WS, and Loki plus all the Star wars stuff.

    Hard to know what it'd make in a normal year, it's not 1bn plus but would have probably been 600-750. Cinemas make 50% in US at opening weekend and then more as time goes on and the studios get's less outside US. I'd say they're probably going to come out ahead in the end after another few weeks of which they're still going to be making the full $30 rather than a ever decreasing cut of ticket price.

    Going forward I'd say a lot of kids movies will still continue with the premium as it makes so much more sense for them (plus plus subs for the rest of time), and then it'll depend on the particulars for the rest. If they've Thor on premium then they are fully behind it as that will probably have been a big one and is far enough away that most places will be back up and open.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'd agree with most of that. The only thing I'd note is The Mandalorian doesn't really track with the MCU shows as comparisons. Not as suggestion of saturation imo.

    The former took the world by storm jn being the kind of Star Wars adaptation fans craved, while the film series floundered into oblivion of critical/financial flops (Mando came out a mere month before Rise of Skywalker). Season 2 even managing some genuinely evocative and stylish episodes, such as a Kurosawa inspired one, or a fantastic character outing with Bill Barr of all people. Having an irresistibly cute sidekick character also helped really solidify the viral success of course. The show could only hope to exceed expectations.

    The MCU shows come from an already successful, largely beloved series of films. As you say, effectively TV series in their own right. If anything they have only underwhelmed, failing to mark themselves out and being a bit shoddy in places (though I've heard CoVid really harmed the Falcon show, necessitating hasty retooling). While it's rigid universe makes it hard to cut loose and tell something really different, even transgressive. Against something like Invincible or even the adolescent The Boys, the MCU shows feel quaint (that's speaking as someone who loved Loki, and saw the potential of Wandavision. Haven't seen Falcon yet, truthfully).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,134 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Wandavision was the series that had people most interested and it completely missed its mark which then harmed the shows that came after.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    Wandavision missed its mark? Personally, I thought it was fantastic, start to finish. Sure, it was odd and slow for the first 3/4 episodes but it was also fresh and wonderful. The finale delivered in spades - walking the line between blockbuster budget smackdown, and... Vision beating Vision with a thought experiment. The Quicksilver red herring is the only mark against it IMO. Also... 23 Emmy nominations. Disney knocked that show out of the park. I don't think that show had an impact on Falcon or Loki either. Both shows stood on their own, with their own merits and failings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    didn't particularily like the car chase, would have preferred to see more taskmaster fights up close, it was them two talking and then taskmaster killing or injuring a load of people in the APC, maybe it was supposed make TM seem like the terminator that didn't care about people at all, suggesting it was a robot of some sort...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭speedboatchase



    Scarlett Johansson Sues Disney Over ‘Black Widow’ Streaming Release

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/scarlett-johansson-sues-disney-over-black-widow-streaming-release-11627579278



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Seems fair enough at first blush; a lot of these blockbusters were shoved onto streaming services with little ceremony, and, it turns out, without factoring in actor's contracts re. shares of the box office. Maybe that's it; perhaps in another bout of Hollywood Accounting it was figured they could bypass payouts to big stars if they paralleled these releases between cinemas and streaming. Wonder what Johansson was expecting - or promised with the original contract. Given Spider-Man: Far From Home made 1.1 billion, I suspect the answer was ... quite a lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,498 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    The Wall Street Journal, which broke the news of the lawsuit, reports that sources close to Johansson estimate that the decision to release the film concurrently on Disney + resulted in $50 million in lost bonuses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,284 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Looking at boxofficemojo site. (first that came up when googled for mcu movie box office

    I wouldn't have expected it to do as well as it has in comparison to other films. Though I am curious how well it would've done if cinema only release and/or there was no pandemic. And would the premium fee count as box office to go to her percentage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I can see why. She has nothing to lose and appears on the face of it a breach of contract might have occurred.

    Some suspected she'd some day return in one way or another to the MCU as these things tend to go in franchises but this does confirm 100% watertight she will not be in any other Disney/Marvel movie going forward.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    if the contract said exclusive theatrical release, then it’s as clear day that she has every right to sue. I’d love to see if Disney have themselves covered somewhere in the contract.

    Personally I think it looks bad on scarlett johansson. The pandemic has hurt a lot of people at Disney, the film division, theme parks, cruise lines, etc. They all took a huge hit. Disney+ and premier access have been the saving grace for Disney. The two Bobs have done exceptionally well to keep the company in a healthy position and have possibly saved a ton of jobs. I genuinely believe the premier access and same day release was the best option here to minimise the loss.

    Did ScoJo lose money? Yes, but so did Disney, so did the theme park workers, so did the cruise line workers, so did the contractors and staff that where due to work on the delayed movies. Unfortunately that’s just one of the many consequences of a global pandemic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,284 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Think she was the reason it didn't launch on Disney+ before now as well as it needed a theatrical release.



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