Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

If that’s true that means the vaccines aren’t doing their job as well as the manufacturers thought they would.

Vaccination is supposed to stop this?

Agreed.

one to watch though.

Think we'd need to wait a few more days to see if it is a downward trend. Of more interest to them and us are hospitalisation changes.

You'll always get breakthrough infections. Stats about age and other indicators will be useful but people will still get sick, go to hospital etc.

Usual flu efficacy is about 50-60% and a lot of the older people who die of flu have been vaxxed. They help but don't fully eradicate it

Also the more revealing statistic won't be hospitalisations/deaths in vaxxed people but simply the proportion of those overall who are positive and vaxxed v those not vaxxed

Unfortunately due to simple logic the majority of deaths going forward here will likely be fully vaxxed and people will jump to the wrong conclusions as a result

The problem of throwing a number without an explanation of what it measures. Technically what has been said is : ""In terms of the number of people in hospital who've been double vaccinated, we know it's around 60% of the people being admitted to hospital with COVID,"

"Admitted with covid" So does it count people going to the hospital FOR covid symptoms, or the grandmother who is going to get a hip surgery and that gets swabbed positive when admitted in the hospital? She has covid but no symptoms, but would be counted as admitted with covid.

If there are 60% of vaccinated people who have enough covid symptoms to require an admission to the hospital, it is concerning (though the data should be compared to a benchmark of the same unvaccinated population, so if they are mostly > 60yo, 60% is still better than a year ago when 85% of people in the hospitals for covid were >60yo). But if they are in the hospital for another reason and tested positive, then that is not alarming.

It can also possible that there are covid outbreaks in some hospitals, contaminating vaccinated and unvaccinated people. If there are 95% people vaccinated in the hospital at the time of the outbreak, and that of all the positive swabs, only 60% belong to the 95% vaccinated, that is good news. So again, we need to know how many people are admitted because of covid symptoms.

It's hard to know for sure without more details. But going by age, over 50's account for 5% of all new cases in the UK and 60% of all hospitalisations are fully vaccinated. I'm sure you could dig through previous data to find the hospitalisation rate for over 50's in previous waves vs this wave. My guess is there should be a reduction and possibly give a rough guide to the efficacy vs delta based on hospitalisation.

Exactly this.

People should also read his quotes and not just the headline,

"They're very, very effective, but not 100%, and as a higher proportion of the population is double-vaccinated, it's inevitable that those 10% of that very large number remain at risk, and therefore will be amongst the people who both catch the infection and end up in hospital."

Got my second dose of moderna today - 33 Dublin.

hearing many saying second dose of moderna is bad for side effects - anyone experienced that?

So Anthony ‘we can be zero’ Staines just wants restrictions forever! Poor bastard must be very scared!

That is a really stupid post. I caught a glimpse of a discussion this afternoon in the HOL as to why the UK imposed those restrictions to France.

Mainly it comes down to France has a higher rate of Beta than most other countries. However it mentioned that the data coming out of France gave no confidence in what the actual situation is there, due to the lack of Genome sequencing that is being carried out.

So they went the cautious approach in making everyone coming from France to isolate vaccinated or not, quite a sensible approach if you ask me.

The "surge" of beta cases all lie outside Metropolitan France, in the likes of Reunion Island. So on the face of it, the UK decision is really quite questionable.

He’s supposed to be for vaccines but his ISAG would only love those headlines from the uk! There’s surely some journalist will call them out properly

This doesn't appear to be good news