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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #8612
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    I hope England win the euro and their opening for all our sakes and sanity


  • #8613
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,480 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    cheezums wrote: »
    So one possible example. Out of what, thousands?
    You're a fast reader. How many pages of those Google results did you go through?


  • #8614
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,816 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Skygord wrote: »
    Why don't you watch his press briefings if you want to know what he's saying. He and the WHO talk about the impact in Africa all the time! Or you could even read the article I linked to:

    That doesn't answer the question though does it? The UK has a very low chance of birthing a new variant with its level of vaccination and tiny population in comparison to Africa and India where there are little to no restrictions, massive populations and limited vaccination.

    Worrying about easing restrictions among 70 million mostly vaccinated British seems like a bit of a waste of time when there are billions of unvaccinated Africans and Indians operating under less restrictions


  • #8615
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,480 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    snotboogie wrote: »
    That doesn't answer the question though does it? The UK has a very low chance of birthing a new variant with its level of vaccination and tiny population in comparison to Africa and India where there are little to no restrictions, massive populations and limited vaccination.

    Worrying about easing restrictions among 70 million mostly vaccinated British seems like a bit of a waste of time when there are billions of unvaccinated Africans and Indians operating under less restrictions

    I don't think you're right about this.

    https://twitter.com/scottishwormboy/status/1411952287132618752


  • #8616
    TefalBrain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    Marty Bird wrote: »
    What’s more scary is they reckon 7 million people have not come forward for cancer/heart problems since this all began.

    Tsunami of problems coming down the pipeline in that regard and yet some people are getting all worked up about a few hundred case numbers of what is basically now no worse than a common cold to the age group catching it.


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  • #8617
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You'd have to wonder whether a sort of collective Stockholm Syndrome is now occurring in large parts of the world and particularly Ireland.

    Have we become too used to this restricted way of life? Are we too afraid at this point to take the masks off?

    This was mild for the vast vast majority before vaccines. Even milder with vaccines.


  • #8618
    VG31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,583 ✭✭✭VG31


    Germany should lift all remaining Covid restriction by end of August – minister
    Germany should lift all remaining coronavirus-linked social and economic curbs as soon as everyone has been offered a vaccine, Foreign Minister Heiko Maas was quoted as saying on Tuesday, suggesting that point should be reached next month.

    Around 56.5% of people in Germany have received at least one dose and almost 39% are fully vaccinated, according to health ministry data.

    “When everyone in Germany has received a vaccine offer, there is no longer a legal or political justification for any kind of restriction,” Maas told the Sueddeutsche Zeitung.

    That should occur sometime during August, he added.

    It would be good to start hearing this from Irish politicians. We're on course to have one of the highest vaccine uptakes in the EU yet there's still been no discussion of a timeframe for the return to normality. Having a clear end in sight would likely increase vaccine uptake even further.


  • #8619
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,032 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Mecrab wrote: »
    Having a clear end in sight would likely increase vaccine uptake even further.

    This is one of the most disappointing aspects about the governments response. Communications recently have been almost a case study in how to put people off vaccines, rather than encourage people to get them.

    They created a situation where it became almost reasonable for young people to think "why bother getting a vaccine", because they no longer have hope or trust that anything will improve once they get it.

    All they needed to do was offer achievable targets such as "we reopen when X% are vaccinated" and you would have had a lot of people getting stuck in to get there as quick as possible.

    Psychology 101, but then of course we have failed at the basics from the very beginning of all of this.


  • #8620
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,227 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    This is one of the most disappointing aspects about the governments response. Communications recently have been almost a case study in how to put people off vaccines, rather than encourage people to get them.

    They created a situation where it became almost reasonable for young people to think "why bother getting a vaccine", because they no longer have hope or trust that anything will improve once they get it.

    All they needed to do was offer achievable targets such as "we reopen when X% are vaccinated" and you would have had a lot of people getting stuck in to get there as quick as possible.

    Psychology 101, but then of course we have failed at the basics from the very beginning of all of this.

    We are administering every dose we get and there is already huge demand from young people to get it. The communications don't seem to be putting any body off the vaccine here.


  • #8621
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    This is one of the most disappointing aspects about the governments response. Communications recently have been almost a case study in how to put people off vaccines, rather than encourage people to get them.

    They created a situation where it became almost reasonable for young people to think "why bother getting a vaccine", because they no longer have hope or trust that anything will improve once they get it.

    All they needed to do was offer achievable targets such as "we reopen when X% are vaccinated" and you would have had a lot of people getting stuck in to get there as quick as possible.

    Psychology 101, but then of course we have failed at the basics from the very beginning of all of this.

    But we have an incredibly high level of vaccine uptake, no? Especially in the young


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  • #8622
    poppers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭poppers


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    This is one of the most disappointing aspects about the governments response. Communications recently have been almost a case study in how to put people off vaccines, rather than encourage people to get them.

    They created a situation where it became almost reasonable for young people to think "why bother getting a vaccine", because they no longer have hope or trust that anything will improve once they get it.

    All they needed to do was offer achievable targets such as "we reopen when X% are vaccinated" and you would have had a lot of people getting stuck in to get there as quick as possible.

    Psychology 101, but then of course we have failed at the basics from the very beginning of all of this.

    if anything its encouraging people to be vaccinated. The pharmacy scheme is already booked out and has long waiting lists . Look at the vaccice thread here its all about when can i register get my shot etc.


  • #8623
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,032 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    We are administering every dose we get and there is already huge demand from young people to get it. The communications don't seem to be putting any body off the vaccine here.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    But we have an incredibly high level of vaccine uptake, no? Especially in the young

    I don't know how we could have incredibly high vaccine uptake among the young when they aren't eligible for it yet?

    Regardless, I certainly hope that they do all take it as soon as humanly possible.

    My point would still stand though, the government communication has been horrendous and I certainly hope we don't hear anything about delays relating to vaccine hesitancy among the last 20/30% on the back of it. It is only then that we would see the effects of this, not now when supply still doesn't meet demand.


  • #8624
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    snotboogie wrote: »
    That doesn't answer the question though does it? The UK has a very low chance of birthing a new variant with its level of vaccination and tiny population in comparison to Africa and India where there are little to no restrictions, massive populations and limited vaccination.

    Worrying about easing restrictions among 70 million mostly vaccinated British seems like a bit of a waste of time when there are billions of unvaccinated Africans and Indians operating under less restrictions

    The mix of unvaccinated, partially vaccinated, fully vaccinated and fully vaccinated with inadequate immune response means there is a selective pressure for a variant to emerge with vaccine evasion properties. One that can only infect the unvaccinated is at disadvantage. Any that has any sort of property that helps it infect the vaccinated will be advantageous.

    It's an interesting question. There's no pressure in an unvaccinated population for an evasive variant to emerge. Sheer number of infections means it could. In the vaccinated population with a sizeable amount still unvaccinated there's greater pressure but far less numbers.

    It's not an experiment a vaccinated society should be running. Especially in the UK where they have very good uptake. The unvaccinated will likely take a vaccine when it's offered to them. They're effectively gambling that it won't happen in the timeframe it takes to get everyone fully vaccinated. It's a gamble that potentially has global repurcussions if it backfires.


  • #8625
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Turtwig wrote: »
    The mix of unvaccinated, partially vaccinated, fully vaccinated and fully vaccinated with inadequate immune response means there is a selective pressure for a variant to emerge with vaccine evasion properties. One that can only infect the unvaccinated is at disadvantage. Any that has any sort of property that helps it infect the vaccinated will be advantageous.

    It's an interesting question. There's no pressure in an unvaccinated population for an evasive variant to emerge. Sheer number of infections means it could. In the vaccinated population with a sizeable amount still unvaccinated there's greater pressure but far less numbers.

    It's not an experiment a vaccinated society should be running. Especially in the UK where they have very good uptake. The unvaccinated will likely take a vaccine when it's offered to them. They're effectively gambling that it won't happen in the timeframe it takes to get everyone fully vaccinated. It's a gamble that potentially has global repurcussions if it backfires.

    But why the specific focus on the UK? Most countries are running vaccination programmes right now and they all have covid spreading within the community, with varying levels of vaccination across the world. They are all 'factories' for variants. This just comes across as another reason to kick any reopening down the road.

    In two months time maybe the UK has every adult vaccinated, but that still leaves everyone under the age of 18 unvaccinated, 20% of the population. It will remain a variant 'factory'. So when do they open, are we now suggesting we need 100% vaccination across the population?

    And underneath all of this people need to start considering that there is more going on in the world than covid, it can't continue to dominate every policy decision.


  • #8626
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    AdamD wrote: »
    But why the specific focus on the UK? Most countries are running vaccination programmes right now and they all have covid spreading within the community, with varying levels of vaccination across the world. They are all 'factories' for variants. This just comes across as another reason to kick any reopening down the road.

    In two months time maybe the UK has every adult vaccinated, but that still leaves everyone under the age of 18 unvaccinated, 20% of the population. It will remain a variant 'factory'. So when do they open, are we now suggesting we need 100% vaccination across the population?

    And underneath all of this people need to start considering that there is more going on in the world than covid, it can't continue to dominate every policy decision.

    I don't think the focus is even on the UK. It's just England. Many countries won't have the luxury of avoiding the experiment due to poorer vaccine uptake levels. England doesn't have that problem. It's such an unnecessary experiment for them to take.

    Under 18s will eventually be vaccinated. Spare a thought for parents of cohort 4 children in England. The child isn't yet vaccinated and is still extremely medically vulnerable to covid. The at risk children will definitely have to be vaccinated.


  • #8627
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Leo Varadkar talking directly to ISAG and RTE (especially George Lee???

    I'd warn against any “spiral of fear” because vaccines offers such protection

    "I want to reassure people, you will see cases rise dramatically over the next few weeks, but it's not the same as it was back in the Alpha wave or last year… the Delta wave will be different, let’s avoid a cycle of fear”

    I'm not predicting any specific case number, but in principle cases could increase dramatically without an increase of similar scale on hospitalisations.


  • #8628
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    blowitupref wrote: »
    Leo Varadkar talking directly to ISAG and RTE (especially George Lee???

    I'd warn against any “spiral of fear” because vaccines offers such protection

    "I want to reassure people, you will see cases rise dramatically over the next few weeks, but it's not the same as it was back in the Alpha wave or last year… the Delta wave will be different, let’s avoid a cycle of fear”

    I'm not predicting any specific case number, but in principle cases could increase dramatically without an increase of similar scale on hospitalisations.

    That guy is a moron.

    Says one thing in the morning and the complete opposite in the afternoon.

    A total chancer.


  • #8629
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,607 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    I was listening to radio 1 earlier, Sam mcconkey, obviously with doomsday scenarios, we have to design theatres so people can go there and be safe, these measures will be here for several/seven years (not sure which he said). Followed by an interview with a doctor Martin coyne, I presumed it would be to balance the discussion which is the format these discussions take but no, he basically agreed with everything Sam had said and added that most people have long covid. A balanced discussion and either of these 2 could be fact checked, because what I heard was their opinions with no basis or facts to back it up, but we are in a North Korea situation where the one line is being pushed. We need to be careful or they will start blocking our Internet access.


  • #8630
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Once again, another day of absolutely miserable rain. I see floods forming and have heard thunder. This is our peak summer month...

    Outdoor summer is simply not viable in this country.


  • #8631
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 543 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Turtwig wrote: »
    The mix of unvaccinated, partially vaccinated, fully vaccinated and fully vaccinated with inadequate immune response means there is a selective pressure for a variant to emerge with vaccine evasion properties. One that can only infect the unvaccinated is at disadvantage. Any that has any sort of property that helps it infect the vaccinated will be advantageous.

    It's an interesting question. There's no pressure in an unvaccinated population for an evasive variant to emerge. Sheer number of infections means it could. In the vaccinated population with a sizeable amount still unvaccinated there's greater pressure but far less numbers.

    It's not an experiment a vaccinated society should be running. Especially in the UK where they have very good uptake. The unvaccinated will likely take a vaccine when it's offered to them. They're effectively gambling that it won't happen in the timeframe it takes to get everyone fully vaccinated. It's a gamble that potentially has global repurcussions if it backfires.

    That's true but at the same time it's not quite so simple. While it does create selective pressure to evade immunity, there is still pressure against it. It's a bit of a tug of war.

    To use an example a few months back multiple lineages of Alpha were discovered in the UK with the E484K mutation which is the mutation most strongly associated with resistance to antibodies. Notably none of these lineages had much success and died out. Similar has been seen in other lineages during the duration of the pandemic. That suggests that such mutations do not always offer a net benefit in terms of overall fitness.


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  • #8632
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Once again, another day of absolutely miserable rain. I see floods forming and have heard thunder. This is our peak summer month...

    Outdoor summer is simply not viable in this country.

    But our bad weather is also why we shouldn’t open indoor dining (not yet). In Europe, everyone wants to eat outdoors in the summer so opening indoors makes little difference. But, as you point out, our bad weather will mean indoor dining is heavily used, leading to a surge in infection rates.


  • #8633
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Turtwig wrote: »
    I don't think the focus is even on the UK. It's just England. Many countries won't have the luxury of avoiding the experiment due to poorer vaccine uptake levels. England doesn't have that problem. It's such an unnecessary experiment for them to take.

    Under 18s will eventually be vaccinated. Spare a thought for parents of cohort 4 children in England. The child isn't yet vaccinated and is still extremely medically vulnerable to covid. The at risk children will definitely have to be vaccinated.

    How can you possibly say that? Or are you assuming that Covid is the only issue that they care about as a country?

    Perhaps their finances are not looking good at all. Maybe another summer of closed businesses would have had a huge impact on the country.


  • #8634
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,816 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Turtwig wrote: »
    The mix of unvaccinated, partially vaccinated, fully vaccinated and fully vaccinated with inadequate immune response means there is a selective pressure for a variant to emerge with vaccine evasion properties. One that can only infect the unvaccinated is at disadvantage. Any that has any sort of property that helps it infect the vaccinated will be advantageous.

    It's an interesting question. There's no pressure in an unvaccinated population for an evasive variant to emerge. Sheer number of infections means it could. In the vaccinated population with a sizeable amount still unvaccinated there's greater pressure but far less numbers.

    It's not an experiment a vaccinated society should be running. Especially in the UK where they have very good uptake. The unvaccinated will likely take a vaccine when it's offered to them. They're effectively gambling that it won't happen in the timeframe it takes to get everyone fully vaccinated. It's a gamble that potentially has global repurcussions if it backfires.

    I'm not sure that there is the selective pressure you think there is. Partial vaccination does not create the same selective pressure as partial antibiotic courses, which is comparison I keep seeing online.

    Either way, open societies with partially vaccinated populations are absolutely inevitable as vaccines become more widely available. It's already happening in the US, no way the likes of Brazil and India stay locked down as they vaccinate towards critical mass, African countries will eventually get vaccinated and are largely incapable of enforcing lockdowns.


  • #8635
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,939 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Any case numbers today.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #8636
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,429 ✭✭✭corkie


    https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1412452953911406593


    As of midnight, Monday 5th July, we are reporting
    397*
    confirmed cases of #COVID19.

    16 in ICU. 54 in hospital.

    *Daily case numbers may change due to future data review, validation and update.


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  • #8637
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Any case numbers today.

    Here ya go

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1412453065458868228?s=20


  • #8638
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1412453846304104452?s=21

    54 people in hospital. Very concerning.


  • #8639
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    marno21 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1412453846304104452?s=21

    54 people in hospital. Very concerning.

    The word “ concerning “ is like white noise at this stage


  • #8640
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    The word “ concerning “ is like white noise at this stage

    Era when isn’t he concerned! They need to start updating the hub more frequently now as well. Looks to me as there’s been no discharges the last few days


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  • #8641
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Era when isn’t he concerned! They need to start updating the hub more frequently now as well. Looks to me as there’s been no discharges the last few days

    That's the 8am hospital figure it may drop when they update it at 8pm


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