Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

ShooterSF wrote: »

But isn't there concern that vaccines don't stop people spreading the virus? Testing the staff doesn't protect them..

So don't open anything ever again?

Lumen wrote: »

This thread is .. not great

https://twitter.com/EddieRobson/status/1411594953705332736?s=19

I'm by no means comparing this to flu but if you get a flu aren't you 'flattened' for a few days to a week? I probably wouldn't be even able to lift a beer let alone sit and watch the ball as this chap was doing!

ShooterSF wrote: »

But isn't there concern that vaccines don't stop people spreading the virus? Testing the staff doesn't protect them..

You seem intent on just poking holes in what other people suggest. Do you actually have any proposals of your own?

Lumen wrote: »

This thread is .. not great

https://twitter.com/EddieRobson/status/1411594953705332736?s=19

Looks like the vaccine has done it's job so and he feels a bit crap. I think he'll be fine if the worst of it he can't have a beer...

gctest50 wrote: »

Fully vaccinated - just like the 30% who died from the delta variant :


UK : "Unfortunately 42 deaths from the delta variant, of which 30% (12) are among fully vaccinated & 17% among partly vaccinated (21 days after 1 dose)"

42 deaths in a country of 70 million where essentially all of the most medically vulnerable people are fully vaccinated. We are going to see deaths among the fully vaccinated, especially among the older immune comprised.

fun loving criminal wrote: »

Spanish flu was only 100 years ago and they needed masks back then.

I think people crammed on the Luas happened after that no?

UK scientific advisor Professor Neil Ferguson on yesterday's announcement.
IMHO it sounds to me like the UK will be perfect breeding ground more new variants, and the UK risks throwing away all the World's sacrifices to date...

Professor Neil Ferguson said: "At the peak of the second wave 50,000 cases would translate into something like 500 deaths, but that's going to be much lower this time, more like 50 or so.

"The challenge is, there's still the potential of getting very large numbers of cases and so if we get very high numbers of cases a day, 150,000 or 200,000 it could still cause some pressure to the health system.

"This is a slight gamble, it's a slight experiment at the moment, and I think it's justifiable and I'm reasonable optimistic, but policy will have to remain flexible.

"If we end up in something close to the worst-case scenario we and other groups are looking at, which I think is unlikely but can't be ruled out, then yes there will need to be some course direction later."

WHO's Dr Mike Ryan, in the same article:

Dr Mike Ryan said not enough people have been vaccinated for any country to lift restrictions too early.

During a Q&A on Facebook with epidemiologist Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, Dr Ryan said that overall he thinks some countries have made "a very premature rush back to full normality".

"I think were are going to pay a price for that, because we are not there at vaccination, the variants are really there and we have not protected enough people," he added.

Source: https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0706/1233322-coronavirus-world/

Skygord wrote: »

UK scientific advisor Professor Neil Ferguson on yesterday's announcement.
IMHO it sounds to me like the UK will be perfect breeding ground more new variants, and the UK risks throwing away all the World's sacrifices to date...



WHO's Dr Mike Ryan, in the same article:



Source: https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0706/1233322-coronavirus-world/

There are over 1 billion people in Africa with next to no vaccinations and no restrictions. There are over 1 billion people in India with limited vaccinations and next to no restrictions. Why are the WHO so worried about 70 million, mostly vaccinated in the UK easing restrictions?

Henry... wrote: »

Would be chaos

It’s the only way humble imo.

If NPHET are proven to be not fit for purpose (ie Nolan’s modelling is proven to be a fantasy and the rest of NPHET endorsed it) there’ll have to be a new organisation formed to replace them.

The fact that at that stage (26th Aug) NPHET will have all but decimated entire industries on faulty modelling is one for the inevitable future tribunals.

Each component would have to have equal input and this time it’s to stay behind the scenes and only advise policy based on the informed opinion.

Lumen wrote: »

It was more the responses from people saying that they'd been double dosed and suffered badly (hence why I referred to the thread rather than the tweet), but where did you see that he was not fully vaccinated? I can't see any reference to that.

My bad.
I thought this was an update report on the camera man who had the single shot of AZ from last week.
Your on point.

kieran26 wrote: »

So don't open anything ever again?

Not at all. Just don't chuck ALL precautions because the customers are safe from the vaccine while the staff aren't. I think this could be a suggestion for the end of August if the hints are true that all adults will be fully vaccinated by then.

is_that_so wrote: »

You seem intent on just poking holes in what other people suggest. Do you actually have any proposals of your own?

Well I'm not a health expert but I would look to separate different indoor risks for a start. I don't think group gym, a meal, a sesh, a poker night, a game of snooker carry equal risks. At the moment everything is tied to the pub so it adds pressure.
As for indoor dining and drinking I'd prefer to have them open with distancing etc. myself right now but I accept that nphet are more knowledgeable than I am on disease control. If they can't I'm generally opposed to opening for just vaccinated people because, in my opinion, it will be a heartache for staff. I might be wrong but here I think I have more experience than nphet. I definitely disagree with the owners of pubs who think that rule should allow us to go back to a free for all indoors while staff are still not fully vaccinated.
I think I'm pretty consistent in my views here and they all stem from a staff first pov considering my career history and sure it probably adds a heck of a bias.

Correct me if i'm wrong but has a virus ever in history mutated into something more deadly ?
Don't new variants of any virus always become more spreadable but less potent ?

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Correct me if i'm wrong but has a virus ever in history mutated into something more deadly ?
Don't new variants of any virus always become more spreadable but less potent ?

100%
This is simply ignored by our so called experts though.
Also ignored by our media.

I wonder why ????

dalyboy wrote: »

100%
This is simply ignored by our so called experts though.
Also ignored by our media.

I wonder why ????

So-called experts generally don't make statements with 100% certainty. This is an example of the oft-cited Dunning-Kruger effect.