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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭kieran26


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    But isn't there concern that vaccines don't stop people spreading the virus? Testing the staff doesn't protect them..

    So don't open anything ever again?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭Henry...


    dalyboy wrote: »

    It could be the perfect opportunity to form a new temporary group of medics /economists/ social cohesion etc experts with equal stakes to propel us back to real normality and see the back of this horrible period.

    Would be chaos


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Lumen wrote: »

    I'm by no means comparing this to flu but if you get a flu aren't you 'flattened' for a few days to a week? I probably wouldn't be even able to lift a beer let alone sit and watch the ball as this chap was doing!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    Lumen wrote: »

    He found it difficult to drink alcohol when he was feeling unwell? I mean... I can't even...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    But isn't there concern that vaccines don't stop people spreading the virus? Testing the staff doesn't protect them..
    You seem intent on just poking holes in what other people suggest. Do you actually have any proposals of your own?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    petes wrote: »
    I'm by no means comparing this to flu but if you get a flu aren't you 'flattened' for a few days to a week? I probably wouldn't be even able to lift a beer let alone sit and watch the ball as this chap was doing!

    there is an expression that you know the difference between the flu and a cold if you spot a 50 euro note outside your window, if you get up to get it you have a cold, if you cant be arsed you have the flu

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,469 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Lumen wrote: »

    Looks like the vaccine has done it's job so and he feels a bit crap. I think he'll be fine if the worst of it he can't have a beer...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Oh my god, the poor chap struggled to finish a beer while watching the football. How will he ever go on

    It should really be added to the list of symptoms by the who


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,816 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Fully vaccinated - just like the 30% who died from the delta variant :


    UK : "Unfortunately 42 deaths from the delta variant, of which 30% (12) are among fully vaccinated & 17% among partly vaccinated (21 days after 1 dose)"

    42 deaths in a country of 70 million where essentially all of the most medically vulnerable people are fully vaccinated. We are going to see deaths among the fully vaccinated, especially among the older immune comprised.


  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    petes wrote: »
    I'm by no means comparing this to flu but if you get a flu aren't you 'flattened' for a few days to a week? I probably wouldn't be even able to lift a beer let alone sit and watch the ball as this chap was doing!

    It seems people aren't allowed to get ill anymore


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Spanish flu was only 100 years ago and they needed masks back then.

    I think people crammed on the Luas happened after that no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,753 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    batman_oh wrote: »
    I think people crammed on the Luas happened after that no?

    dublin trams started in 1871

    first bus route 1925

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭Skygord


    UK scientific advisor Professor Neil Ferguson on yesterday's announcement.
    IMHO it sounds to me like the UK will be perfect breeding ground more new variants, and the UK risks throwing away all the World's sacrifices to date...
    Professor Neil Ferguson said: "At the peak of the second wave 50,000 cases would translate into something like 500 deaths, but that's going to be much lower this time, more like 50 or so.

    "The challenge is, there's still the potential of getting very large numbers of cases and so if we get very high numbers of cases a day, 150,000 or 200,000 it could still cause some pressure to the health system.

    "This is a slight gamble, it's a slight experiment at the moment, and I think it's justifiable and I'm reasonable optimistic, but policy will have to remain flexible.

    "If we end up in something close to the worst-case scenario we and other groups are looking at, which I think is unlikely but can't be ruled out, then yes there will need to be some course direction later."

    WHO's Dr Mike Ryan, in the same article:
    Dr Mike Ryan said not enough people have been vaccinated for any country to lift restrictions too early.

    During a Q&A on Facebook with epidemiologist Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, Dr Ryan said that overall he thinks some countries have made "a very premature rush back to full normality".

    "I think were are going to pay a price for that, because we are not there at vaccination, the variants are really there and we have not protected enough people," he added.

    Source: https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0706/1233322-coronavirus-world/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Looks like the vaccine has done it's job so and he feels a bit crap. I think he'll be fine if the worst of it he can't have a beer...

    Isn't this what Holohan has wanted all along? The virus is now preventing people from drinking!!! Expect a letter dropping all restrictions before the end of the day and NPHET to hold foam parties in all major urban centres this weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,816 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Skygord wrote: »
    UK scientific advisor Professor Neil Ferguson on yesterday's announcement.
    IMHO it sounds to me like the UK will be perfect breeding ground more new variants, and the UK risks throwing away all the World's sacrifices to date...



    WHO's Dr Mike Ryan, in the same article:



    Source: https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0706/1233322-coronavirus-world/

    There are over 1 billion people in Africa with next to no vaccinations and no restrictions. There are over 1 billion people in India with limited vaccinations and next to no restrictions. Why are the WHO so worried about 70 million, mostly vaccinated in the UK easing restrictions?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭Skygord


    snotboogie wrote: »
    There are over 1 billion people in Africa with next to no vaccinations and no restrictions. There are over 1 billion people in India with limited vaccinations and next to no restrictions. Why are the WHO so worried about 70 million, mostly vaccinated in the UK easing restrictions?

    Why don't you watch his press briefings if you want to know what he's saying. He and the WHO talk about the impact in Africa all the time! Or you could even read the article I linked to:
    Dr Ryan said with cases in the European region running at 500,000 a week and one million a week in all the counties of the Americas, the pandemic is not over.

    He said that for a lot of the world "unfortunately, this thing is only getting started".

    He urged patience and said there is the potential to end up in "huge trouble" with the Delta variant, which is much more transmissible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Henry... wrote: »
    Would be chaos

    It’s the only way humble imo.

    If NPHET are proven to be not fit for purpose (ie Nolan’s modelling is proven to be a fantasy and the rest of NPHET endorsed it) there’ll have to be a new organisation formed to replace them.

    The fact that at that stage (26th Aug) NPHET will have all but decimated entire industries on faulty modelling is one for the inevitable future tribunals.

    Each component would have to have equal input and this time it’s to stay behind the scenes and only advise policy based on the informed opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Lumen wrote: »

    This guy was not fully vaccinated & had one shot of AZ.
    His reaction to infection from covid (not full jabbed) is exactly what is predicted.

    Non story


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    Great to see the UK approach tbh. They are no longer scared and realise they have to live with covid in order to save their economy. Here we still are pumping our scare stories on the state broadcaster who's employees wouldn't know the first thing about hard times and running a business and are well paid to tow the government line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,480 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    dalyboy wrote: »
    This guy was not fully vaccinated & had one shot of AZ.
    His reaction to infection from covid (not full jabbed) is exactly what is predicted.

    Non story

    It was more the responses from people saying that they'd been double dosed and suffered badly (hence why I referred to the thread rather than the tweet), but where did you see that he was not fully vaccinated? I can't see any reference to that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Lumen wrote: »
    It was more the responses from people saying that they'd been double dosed and suffered badly (hence why I referred to the thread rather than the tweet), but where did you see that he was not fully vaccinated? I can't see any reference to that.

    My bad.
    I thought this was an update report on the camera man who had the single shot of AZ from last week.
    Your on point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    User1998 wrote: »
    We done just fine without masks for thousands of years didn’t we?
    People said that to Edward Jenner too,
    I'm sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    kieran26 wrote: »
    So don't open anything ever again?

    Not at all. Just don't chuck ALL precautions because the customers are safe from the vaccine while the staff aren't. I think this could be a suggestion for the end of August if the hints are true that all adults will be fully vaccinated by then.
    is_that_so wrote: »
    You seem intent on just poking holes in what other people suggest. Do you actually have any proposals of your own?

    Well I'm not a health expert but I would look to separate different indoor risks for a start. I don't think group gym, a meal, a sesh, a poker night, a game of snooker carry equal risks. At the moment everything is tied to the pub so it adds pressure.
    As for indoor dining and drinking I'd prefer to have them open with distancing etc. myself right now but I accept that nphet are more knowledgeable than I am on disease control. If they can't I'm generally opposed to opening for just vaccinated people because, in my opinion, it will be a heartache for staff. I might be wrong but here I think I have more experience than nphet. I definitely disagree with the owners of pubs who think that rule should allow us to go back to a free for all indoors while staff are still not fully vaccinated.
    I think I'm pretty consistent in my views here and they all stem from a staff first pov considering my career history and sure it probably adds a heck of a bias.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    TefalBrain wrote: »
    Great to see the UK approach tbh. They are no longer scared and realise they have to live with covid in order to save their economy. Here we still are pumping our scare stories on the state broadcaster who's employees wouldn't know the first thing about hard times and running a business and are well paid to tow the government line.

    What’s more scary is they reckon 7 million people have not come forward for cancer/heart problems since this all began.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Correct me if i'm wrong but has a virus ever in history mutated into something more deadly ?
    Don't new variants of any virus always become more spreadable but less potent ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,480 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Correct me if i'm wrong but has a virus ever in history mutated into something more deadly ?
    Don't new variants of any virus always become more spreadable but less potent ?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/genetic-mutation-made-zika-virus-more-dangerous-study-says-1506621602

    You can find other examples using Google search

    https://www.google.com/search?q=more+dangerous+mutant+virus+before%3A2020-01-01


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Correct me if i'm wrong but has a virus ever in history mutated into something more deadly ?
    Don't new variants of any virus always become more spreadable but less potent ?

    100%
    This is simply ignored by our so called experts though.
    Also ignored by our media.

    I wonder why ????


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Correct me if i'm wrong but has a virus ever in history mutated into something more deadly ?
    Don't new variants of any virus always become more spreadable but less potent ?

    No - evolutionary pressures will on average"tend" to less deadly through selective pressure, however mutations are random and do not have an innate direction


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,480 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    dalyboy wrote: »
    100%
    This is simply ignored by our so called experts though.
    Also ignored by our media.

    I wonder why ????

    So-called experts generally don't make statements with 100% certainty. This is an example of the oft-cited Dunning-Kruger effect.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭cheezums




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