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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #8552
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    But until we can see this gone those masks are protecting you and me out there in front of people. Maybe the workers who have been vaccinated can choose whether they wear them or not 😊

    In my reality now people I work with including me will be fully vaccinated in the next 6’weeks or so. Masks shouldn’t be relevant then… that’s my opinion, I think it’ll need to be part of a vaccine bonus


  • #8553
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    We are 1/4 of a trillion in debt right now, having added the most debt of all EU countries due to our lengthy, multiple lockdowns & building hospital capacity and infrastructure in the future is but a dream
    When looking at an alternative of lockdowns/PUP etc. and restrictions on business at the busiest social time of the year, I think the cost may be feasible.

    If Covid ends up causing effectively the same burden as Flu during Winter, and we know the hospital system is already overwhelmed with Flu alone, something has to give. I'd prefer it to be temporary capacity.

    Most people with these illnesses need supportive care in hospital, only the most serious need an advanced level of care & could be transferred back to the main hospitals.


  • #8554
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    But until we can see this gone those masks are protecting you and me out there in front of people. Maybe the workers who have been vaccinated can choose whether they wear them or not 😊

    Lets get this straight. I don't want what ever you might have, so I support your choice to wear a mask. You should keep doing that.

    I'm not wearing one - apart from when I might get fined, and im going to push the envelope there too, it might be on my chin.

    Please keep your distance.


  • #8555
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,373 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    hmmm wrote: »
    In a way, yes. From what I'm hearing and reading it's likely that Covid will be something we see spike ever Winter, and it may match Flu for its impact on healthcare. Obviously that's a capacity problem, but not necessarily something that causes a huge amounts of deaths (as the most vulnerable will be vaccinated, and we get better at treating it).

    I could see a future where people are more aware of respiratory viruses, and if you present at hospital with possible symptoms you're diverted very quickly to a more isolated hospital where you're isolated from people with other non-respiratory ailments. Specialist health teams there assist you through dealing with whatever illness you have.

    Dealing with cross-infection would be a problem I know, but then you'd have the same problem (and worse) in a general hospital.

    Like MHQ with specialist nursing and medical care!
    A good plan alright.
    They are going to have to invest and divert so the general health services can cope.
    And as you say and it is very likely people may be less sick due to vaccinations but still some requiring hospitalisation.
    Could do with diverting less severe flu and norovirus cases also.
    Would free up this winter trolley crisis in major general hospitals.


  • #8556
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,513 ✭✭✭User1998


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Mask wearing on crowded buses and trains to protect others needs to continue.

    No, it doesn’t


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  • #8557
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,373 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    In my reality now people I work with including me will be fully vaccinated in the next 6’weeks or so. Masks shouldn’t be relevant then… that’s my opinion, I think it’ll need to be part of a vaccine bonus

    Same, but don*t know what you are dealing with coming in the door unfortunately.
    I think you guys probably will be able to dispense with them but getting into managers knowing your business as regards your vaccines if a vaccine bonus, otherwise they could insist you continue to wear them.
    How do you feel about that?


  • #8558
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,373 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Lets get this straight. I don't want what ever you might have, so I support your choice to wear a mask. You should keep doing that.

    I'm not wearing one - apart from when I might get fined, and im going to push the envelope there too, it might be on my chin.

    Please keep your distance.

    Happy to!
    Make sure you identify yourself if admitted to where I work :cool:


  • #8559
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Happy to!
    Make sure you identify yourself if admitted to where I work :cool:

    Good to know you care for the ill equally. :cool:


  • #8560
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,373 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Good to know you care for the ill equally. :cool:

    You were the one who told me to keep my distance... Your choice...


  • #8561
    fun loving criminal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    User1998 wrote: »
    No, it doesn’t

    Yes it does. Before covid, you could be inches away from someone else's face on a crowded bus. We cannot go back to that again.


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  • #8562
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    You were the one who told me to keep my distance... Your choice...

    Remind us of your role again. I must say I hope you are one of those useless hires that fills in forms on a computer, to submit to a manager who does the same, and have no role with actual care.

    If not, am I correct to assume that you take choices with patients based on your feelings and not medical need?


  • #8563
    fun loving criminal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Lets get this straight. I don't want what ever you might have, so I support your choice to wear a mask. You should keep doing that.

    I'm not wearing one - apart from when I might get fined, and im going to push the envelope there too, it might be on my chin.

    Please keep your distance.

    Lovely!!!

    You want someone else to wear a mask because you don't want what they have. But you won't wear a mask to prevent spreading what you might have?

    Selfish is one word for you.


  • #8564
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,373 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Remind us of your role again. I must say I hope you are one of those useless hires that fills in forms on a computer, to submit to a manager who does the same, and have no role with actual care.

    If not, am I correct to assume that you take choices with patients based on your feelings and not medical need?

    Remind me of your role besides making offensive comments behind an anonymous profile online that serve to display your deeply felt prejudice against those in the health service... And anyone else that disagrees with you?

    Again you were the one who directed me to keep my distance and as I said that is your choice.... Ignored.


  • #8565
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,513 ✭✭✭User1998


    fun loving criminal wrote: »
    Yes it does. Before covid, you could be inches away from someone else's face on a crowded bus. We cannot go back to that again.

    We done just fine without masks for thousands of years didn’t we?

    By all means wear a mask until the day you die but don’t push them on others even after this pandemic has ended


  • #8566
    Mecrab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Mecrab


    User1998 wrote: »
    We done just fine without masks for thousands of years didn’t we?

    By all means wear a mask until the day you die but don’t push them on others even after this pandemic has ended

    I think sticking a mask in your bag for when the bus/Luas is crowded during winter isn't a bad idea at all


  • #8567
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    In my reality now people I work with including me will be fully vaccinated in the next 6’weeks or so. Masks shouldn’t be relevant then… that’s my opinion, I think it’ll need to be part of a vaccine bonus

    Fully vaccinated - just like the 30% who died from the delta variant :


    UK : "Unfortunately 42 deaths from the delta variant, of which 30% (12) are among fully vaccinated & 17% among partly vaccinated (21 days after 1 dose)"


  • #8568
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Remind me of your role besides making offensive comments behind an anonymous profile online that serve to display your deeply felt prejudice against those in the health service... And anyone else that disagrees with you?

    I'm sorry you felt offence. I have always been someone who viewed the non celebrated health staff as being undervalued and certainly deserving of more from the public purse. I've witnessed great care and frankly superhero levels of care from from the least celebrated.

    I'm addressing my post to YOU. Who came anonymously to a forum, as I did. You allude to being a professional, but what? Surely if you are a nurse you aren't giving doctor and above level advice? Maybe you revealed some skillset that I missed?

    I find it horrible that you suggest care is provided based on who wears a mark, this was tried a few times....


  • #8569
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    I can just photocopy my mates papers ? Better than a digital version for those of us who won't be vaccinated :)

    Hmm, if only there was some method of checking did the name on the letter match the individual. Some sort of identification, maybe call it ID for short. It’s not like pubs haven’t been verifying the same for years.

    The other issue is those who were fully vaccinated outside the state. How do they gain access to services?


  • #8570
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hmm, if only there was some method of checking did the name on the letter match the individual. Some sort of identification, maybe call it ID for short. It’s not like pubs haven’t been verifying the same for years.

    The other issue is those who were fully vaccinated outside the state. How do they gain access to services?

    They don't bother. This isnt Stalins USSR.

    Get out of here with your papers and your 'requirements'.


  • #8571
    fun loving criminal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    User1998 wrote: »
    We done just fine without masks for thousands of years didn’t we?

    By all means wear a mask until the day you die but don’t push them on others even after this pandemic has ended

    Spanish flu was only 100 years ago and they needed masks back then.


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  • #8572
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hmm, if only there was some method of checking did the name on the letter match the individual. Some sort of identification, maybe call it ID for short. It’s not like pubs haven’t been verifying the same for years.

    Realistically, do you think pubs would ask for a vaccination letter, ID, and then check and refuse entry if the name on the ID doesn't match with the name on the letter?


  • #8573
    VG31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,583 ✭✭✭VG31


    fun loving criminal wrote: »
    Spanish flu was only 100 years ago and they needed masks back then.

    They did but mask wearing didn't remain after the pandemic ended.


  • #8574
    ClosedAccountFuzzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    VG31 wrote: »
    They did but mask wearing didn't remain after the pandemic ended.

    This pandemic will end too, but let's just see how the next few weeks pan out as the UK volunteers itself to test the waters.

    We're still not quite at the same level of vaccines, but the gap is closing fast.


  • #8575
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Polar101 wrote: »
    Realistically, do you think pubs would ask for a vaccination letter, ID, and then check and refuse entry if the name on the ID doesn't match with the name on the letter?

    Some will, some won’t, they will agree to it if it means opening however


  • #8576
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    They don't bother. This isnt Stalins USSR.

    Get out of here with your papers and your 'requirements'.

    My papers? my requirements? Calm down would you, I was only explaining how the combination of a letter and I’d could easily be used to identify if a vaccine letter was actually theirs. It’s not like requiring id to access a particular product or service is anything new.

    “Bloody USSR requiring ID to buy a pint or open a bank account”


  • #8577
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    kieran26 wrote: »
    Free Antigen / PCR tests for staff until they are fully vaccinated. if its good to gain entry as a customer it should be OK for staff too.

    But isn't there concern that vaccines don't stop people spreading the virus? Testing the staff doesn't protect them..


  • #8578
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,480 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Jimi H wrote: »
    I was just reading about sky reporter Enda Brady. Marathon runner, healthy etc, had one jab of AZ and tested positive. Anyway his symptoms are quite severe and struggling to breathe. (I know it’s a few days old but I’ve been avoiding Covid news) I’m assuming most recent cases are not as serious or has there been any info relating to those who are testing positive in Ireland or the UK?

    This thread is .. not great

    https://twitter.com/EddieRobson/status/1411594953705332736?s=19


  • #8579
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lumen wrote: »
    This thread is .. not great

    https://twitter.com/EddieRobson/status/1411594953705332736?s=19

    Oh my god, the poor chap struggled to finish a beer while watching the football. How will he ever go on


  • #8580
    dalyboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Questions that are pondering in my mind tonight …. If the UK population have survived massive hospitalisation and deaths by week 5 following their “freedom” day will all supporters of NPHET finally agree that their modelling and doom forecasting was and IS false ?

    Will the Irish government at that stage thank NPHET for their assistance over the last 18 months and disband/decommission them (as their continued service is no longer relevant as the emergency is no longer in existence) . ?

    It could be the perfect opportunity to form a new temporary group of medics /economists/ social cohesion etc experts with equal stakes to propel us back to real normality and see the back of this horrible period.

    Conversely, I’d be willing to accept I’m wrong if in 5 weeks the UK has huge deaths and hospitalisation havoc to contend with. I’d gladly offer my congratulations to NPHET for correctly spotting the dangers of the delta variant and saving many lives by advising a cautious reopening.

    Let’s mark this …….. 19th of July 9am
    5 weeks from now.
    Return ……. 23rd of August 9am


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  • #8581
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,710 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    fun loving criminal wrote: »
    Yes it does. Before covid, you could be inches away from someone else's face on a crowded bus. We cannot go back to that again.

    Lol, I hate to break it to you but much of the world has already gone back. Was at a crowded gig last week, no social distancing at all, few masks, queueing up at the bar without stickers telling you where to stand etc, just like the good old days.


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