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The Cranberries: the appreciation (and reconciliation) thread

  • 06-07-2021 12:07AM
    #1
    Flavio Josefo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭


    I'm new to this place, and I read a harmful thread from 2017 about the band. I was really surprised by the amount of hate that some people gave off, although I do not want this thread to be a criticism of 4 year old comments.

    My intention is for The Cranberries to be appreciated for what they were, the second most important irish rock band. Bigger than Thin Lizzy and with two albums that are already classics in music.

    I'm not Irish, I'm not British, and I understand that there are a lot of people in Ireland who are ashamed of The Cranberries' way of making music. I too can be ashamed of some bands in my country.

    However, I believe that it is never too late to put aside psychological barriers, to enter the discography of one of the greatest bands in History. A discography that has 4 albums in the Billboard Top 200, a band that 32 years after its founding and 22 years after its last commercially successful album, continues to gain fans around the world.

    This is a thread of gratitude to Dolores, Mike, Fergal, and Noel. Because they are the band of my life, and Dolores will always be present in my life. In my heart.

    Forever


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  • #2
    Henry...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭Henry...


    She was definitely hated on for some reason

    Sure Sinead O'Connor got the same


  • #3
    Flavio Josefo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Flavio Josefo


    Henry... wrote: »
    She was definitely hated on for some reason

    Sure Sinead O'Connor got the same

    What is that reason?

    Being the most influential Irish person of the last decade of the 20th century?


  • #4
    Henry...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭Henry...


    Flavio Josefo wrote: »
    What is that reason?

    Being the most influential Irish person of the last decade of the 20th century?

    Successful woman with an attitude

    Not sure really

    I'd be interested to see a breakdown of male.female.attitude.towards her

    Definitely underappreciated for their level of success


  • #5
    Henry...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭Henry...


    I was in USA the time Sinead O'Connor got.hated on

    You'd hear a lot of lads there openly hating on her

    Doubt there was the same from the female sector


  • #6
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,011 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Flavio Josefo wrote: »
    What is that reason?

    Being the most influential Irish person of the last decade of the 20th century?

    Great band and great voice but that's a bit of a stretch...


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  • #7
    FR85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭FR85


    Flavio Josefo wrote: »
    What is that reason?

    Being the most influential Irish person of the last decade of the 20th century?

    I think drama seemed to have followed her around. The babysitter saga and numerous court cases, the Aerlingus incident, numerous cancellations of gigs at the last minute.......she had a bit of a reputation for cancelling.

    It was terrible, she was gifted and some of the albums are superb.


  • #8
    Henry...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭Henry...


    Some of their music is very powerful emotionally and musically


  • #9
    Flavio Josefo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Flavio Josefo


    Henry... wrote: »
    Successful woman with an attitude

    Not sure really

    I'd be interested to see a breakdown of male.female.attitude.towards her

    Definitely underappreciated for their level of success

    I think the hate does not come from their female condition, The Cranberries were one of the rock bands with a more equal balance in terms of the sex of their fans. I would say that 65% were men and 35% women, which was strange because 90% are usually women or men.

    Rather I think it is due to envy on the part of Irish people, who do not understand how a group of farmers can become one of the 50 greatest Rock bands ever.

    Instead, the hatred of the English was due to the fact that The Cranberries completely overshadowed all British bands in the USA; Suede, Blur, Oasis, Elastica... etc

    The Cranberries sold 15 million in that country, and another 20 in Spain and Latin America.


  • #10
    Flavio Josefo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Flavio Josefo


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Great band and great voice but that's a bit of a stretch...

    Can you name me a more well-known, influential, talented and successful person from Ireland in the 90's?


  • #11
    Flavio Josefo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Flavio Josefo


    Henry... wrote: »
    I was in USA the time Sinead O'Connor got.hated on

    You'd hear a lot of lads there openly hating on her

    Doubt there was the same from the female sector

    O'Connor seems like a pretty obnoxious person to me, I wouldn't compare her to Dolores. She was an amazing girl from her childhood, with a huge heart, and who suffered during her life in an incredible way.


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  • #12
    Henry...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭Henry...


    Flavio Josefo wrote: »
    O'Connor seems like a pretty obnoxious person to me, I wouldn't compare her to Dolores. She was an amazing girl from her childhood, with a huge heart, and who suffered during her life in an incredible way.

    Dunno about that now tbh


    Soc had her good points and suffered


  • #13
    Flavio Josefo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Flavio Josefo


    FR85 wrote: »
    I think drama seemed to have followed her around. The babysitter saga and numerous court cases, the Aerlingus incident, numerous cancellations of gigs at the last minute.......she had a bit of a reputation for cancelling.

    It was terrible, she was gifted and some of the albums are superb.



    Bury The Hatchet is the most underrated album of all time:

    Desperate Andy, Lod And Clear, Shattered... all these songs are totally unknown and if they were made for Foo Fighters it would be hits


  • #14
    icarus86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭icarus86


    Flavio Josefo wrote: »
    Can you name me a more well-known, influential, talented and successful person from Ireland in the 90's?

    Bono, Roy Keane.


  • #15
    Flavio Josefo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Flavio Josefo


    Henry... wrote: »
    Dunno about that now tbh


    Soc had her good points and suffered

    Dolores was the little sister of nine siblings, two of whom died at a very young age, and the 11 members of the family lived on a two-room farm with no electricity or water supply.

    In fact, they were known to the neighbors practically as beggars, because the father could not work due to a brain injury in 1968. In 1978 the older sister accidentally burned down the house and the neighbors pooled money so that the children would not live as beggars, since there were hardly any social services.

    When Dolores was 8 years old she was abused by a neighbor, and this lasted until she was 12 years old.

    It would be hard for me to find a rock musician with a childhood as hard as the one Dolores had, All these traumas affected her a lot, even causing her permanent insomnia, that is why many times she appeared on TV and in photos with dark circles


  • #16
    Henry...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭Henry...


    icarus86 wrote: »
    Bono, Roy Keane.

    Was thinking influential would be someone like John Hume for the GFA


  • #17
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    I never heard anything bad said about the Cranberries or Dolores, especially no hate, but then, I didn't read any of the forum posts etc.
    Flavio Josefo wrote: »
    Can you name me a more well-known, influential, talented and successful person from Ireland in the 90's?
    Fairly sure there were a few. U2 would stand out. They made their name in the 80's but in the 90's was probably their peak.
    The Corrs. Possibly a few others.

    Not trying to knock you or any opinion, but I have to agree that it is a bit of a stretch, although HUGELY influential, not sure about the most.


  • #18
    icarus86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭icarus86


    Henry... wrote: »
    Was thinking influential would be someone like John Hume for the GFA

    Yeah great shout.


  • #19
    Flavio Josefo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Flavio Josefo


    icarus86 wrote: »
    Bono, Roy Keane.

    Definitely not.

    The Cranberries were the biggest band in the world between November 1994 and May 1995. And one of the 5 most successful bands of that alternative generation of the 90s.

    Dolores is an icon of that decade, and that cannot be changed.


  • #20
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,011 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Flavio Josefo wrote: »
    Can you name me a more well-known, influential, talented and successful person from Ireland in the 90's?

    Liam Neeson, Pierce Brosnan, Colin Farrell, Brendan Gleeson, Colm Meeney, Gabriel Byrne, Daniel Day Lewis, Sinead O Connor. Bob Geldof, Michael Fassbender, Bono. Do I need to go on and on?

    If you mentioned Delores O Riordan's name to someone who's not from Ireland chances are they wouldn't have a clue who you're talking about. Maybe if you played them 'The Zombie song' they might have heard of it.


  • #21
    Flavio Josefo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Flavio Josefo


    Suckit wrote: »
    I never heard anything bad said about the Cranberries or Dolores, especially no hate, but then, I didn't read any of the forum posts etc.


    Fairly sure there were a few. U2 would stand out. They made their name in the 80's but in the 90's was probably their peak.
    The Corrs. Possibly a few others.

    Not trying to knock you or any opinion, but I have to agree that it is a bit of a stretch, although HUGELY influential, not sure about the most.

    I don't know if in Ireland and the UK Bono still had a greater impact than Dolores, but I can assure you that in the USA and the rest of Europe Dolores was more important in all aspects.


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  • #22
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,011 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Flavio Josefo wrote: »

    Desperate Andy, Lod And Clear, Shattered... all these songs are totally unknown and if they were made for Foo Fighters it would be hits

    If she was 'The most influential...' then these songs wouldn't be unknown...


  • #23
    icarus86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭icarus86


    Enya is another huge name worldwide.


  • #24
    Henry...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭Henry...


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Liam Neeson, Pierce Brosnan, Colin Farrell, Brendan Gleeson, Colm Meeney, Gabriel Byrne, Daniel Day Lewis, Sinead O Connor. Bob Geldof, Michael Fassbender, Bono. Do I need to go on and on?

    If you mentioned Delores O Riordan's name to someone who's not from Ireland chances are they wouldn't have a clue who you're talking about. Maybe if you played them 'The Zombie song' they might have heard of it.

    That last paragraph is surely not correct

    She's very well known outside ireland


  • #25
    Flavio Josefo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Flavio Josefo


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Liam Neeson, Pierce Brosnan, Colin Farrell, Brendan Gleeson, Colm Meeney, Gabriel Byrne, Daniel Day Lewis, Sinead O Connor. Bob Geldof, Michael Fassbender, Bono. Do I need to go on and on?

    If you mentioned Delores O Riordan's name to someone who's not from Ireland chances are they wouldn't have a clue who you're talking about. Maybe if you played them 'The Zombie song' they might have heard of it.

    I am 29 years old, I was born in 1991, and at the age of 8 I already knew who Dolores O'Riordan was, on the other hand, all these that you have mentioned except for Pierce Brosnam, I did not know of her existence until adolescence


  • #26
    Flavio Josefo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Flavio Josefo


    icarus86 wrote: »
    Enya is another huge name worldwide.

    Yes, but just for people that like New Age. She is the second best selling act from Ireland, but their kind of music is not very known around the world. She is not rock n roll.


  • #27
    Flavio Josefo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Flavio Josefo


    o1s1n wrote: »
    If she was 'The most influential...' then these songs wouldn't be unknown...

    These songs are unknown because american people didn't buy BTH


  • #28
    FR85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭FR85


    Flavio Josefo wrote: »
    Can you name me a more well-known, influential, talented and successful person from Ireland in the 90's?

    I'd have gone Michael O'Leary myself, very well known globally, influential in that I wish I had his business head and I respect him, talented to the point of being dangerous and as for success.......his bank balance even in these iffy times for airlines I would imagine is fairly healthy.


  • #29
    Flavio Josefo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Flavio Josefo


    FR85 wrote: »
    I'd have gone Michael O'Leary myself, very well known globally, influential in that I wish I had his business head and I respect him, talented to the point of being dangerous and as for success.......his bank balance even in these iffy times for airlines I would imagine is fairly healthy.

    :rolleyes:


  • #30
    icarus86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭icarus86


    Flavio Josefo wrote: »
    Yes, but just for people that like New Age. She is the second best selling act from Ireland, but their kind of music is not very known around the world. She is not rock n roll.

    Do only rock and roll acts fit your criteria?

    I think she has a far bigger audience around the world than at home. She is massive. Did the theme from one of the lotr films if I remember correctly.


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  • #31
    Piehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭Piehead


    Flavio Josefo wrote: »
    Can you name me a more well-known, influential, talented and successful person from Ireland in the 90's?

    Ronan O’Gara


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