Random EV thoughts.....

Cyrus · 04-07-2021 09:45PM

Anyone used eV charging at center parcs by any chance? How do they allocate them and do people move once charged?

the_amazing_raisin · 04-07-2021 09:49PM

Cyrus wrote: »

Anyone used eV charging at center parcs by any chance? How do they allocate them and do people move once charged?

I asked the reception desk last year about this, basically it's first come first served and they don't seem to police them. I'd say people would generally move after a day

There's 2 pod point chargers with 2 Type 2 untethered sockets each. Don't forget your cable

The reception desk said you'll need to download the pod point app, but reports on plugshare say the units will just plug and charge, no authentication needed

Unfortunately we had to cancel the trip (thanks covid

) but let me know how you get on, we're hopefully going later this year

the_amazing_raisin · 04-07-2021 09:55PM

zg3409 wrote: »

Depreciation is typically 20% in year 1 and 10% from year 2 onwards, but it really depends on supply and demand. If demand is high a d very few used models then used prices will be higher and depreciation less.

So I guess 26-27k might be a more realistic figure

It could equally go the same way as the E-Niro, one of the few cars you could almost buy new and turn a profit on

KCross · 04-07-2021 09:55PM

fafy wrote: »

Going to delay purchasing an EV, until early next year,
Do people think i could get either a 2019 BMW i3, or a 2020/2021 VW ID3 Life for €25k in the first half of 2022 ?

The 2019 i3’s are somewhere between 29 & 32k right now(not an S, just the standard model), and best cash price i could get for a new 2021 ID3 Life 204hp, was 30k. (pre-MY22 stock only)

So i figured, 25k might be a viable price in 2022, or, am i deluded !???

Were there ID.3 Life models in 2020?

I'd say the only ID.3's in 2020 were the 1st edition which is a few trim levels up from "Life"

The best chance you'd have of getting a Life for €25k would be a dealer demo but they dont typically have demo models at entry level spec so that could be difficult and it would be rare for someone to be selling a 2021 car in 2022 so I think that will be difficult too.... but anythings possible if you are ready to buy at a moments notice and someone needs out.

ted1 · 04-07-2021 09:56PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

So I guess 26-27k might be a more realistic figure

It could equally go the same way as the E-Niro, one of the few cars you could almost buy new and turn a profit on

As soon as the SEAI gravy goes then they’ll all appreciate

ted1 · 04-07-2021 09:59PM

fafy wrote: »

Going to delay purchasing an EV, until early next year,
Do people think i could get either a 2019 BMW i3, or a 2020/2021 VW ID3 Life for €25k in the first half of 2022 ?

The 2019 i3’s are somewhere between 29 & 32k right now(not an S, just the standard model), and best cash price i could get for a new 2021 ID3 Life 204hp, was 30k. (pre-MY22 stock only)

So i figured, 25k might be a viable price in 2022, or, am i deluded !???

Where did you see the ID3 for that? I plan to put down a deposit on the 3 or 4 this week

Black_Knight · 04-07-2021 10:01PM

Cyrus wrote: »

Anyone used eV charging at center parcs by any chance? How do they allocate them and do people move once charged?

I was there in 2019, due back again in September. When I was there it was plug and play, no app (I figured this out after I installed the app). Chargers are towards the rear of the car park on the back wall, near the spa... Kinda.

2 twin socket units. They were iced when I arrived, but I was able to reach one socket. I moved the next day and all spaces are free. No other cars plugged in as far as I could tell.

Cyrus · 04-07-2021 10:04PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I asked the reception desk last year about this, basically it's first come first served and they don't seem to police them. I'd say people would generally move after a day

There's 2 pod point chargers with 2 Type 2 untethered sockets each. Don't forget your cable

The reception desk said you'll need to download the pod point app, but reports on plugshare say the units will just plug and charge, no authentication needed

Unfortunately we had to cancel the trip (thanks covid ) but let me know how you get on, we're hopefully going later this year

Thanks for that. This trip has been rescheduled about 4 times now so glad to be going hopefully the kids enjoy it!

the_amazing_raisin · 04-07-2021 10:07PM

KCross wrote: »

Were there ID.3 Life models in 2020?

I'd say the only ID.3's in 2020 were the 1st edition which is a few trim levels up from "Life"

The best chance you'd have of getting a Life for €25k would be a dealer demo but they dont typically have demo models at entry level spec so that could be difficult and it would be rare for someone to be selling a 2021 car in 2022 so I think that will be difficult too.... but anythings possible if you are ready to buy at a moments notice and someone needs out.

Correct, earliest Life model you'll get is a 211 reg

The base 1st edition was around 34k AFAIK, so you'll probably still be looking at over 25k in 2022

TitianGerm · 04-07-2021 10:19PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Correct, earliest Life model you'll get is a 211 reg

The base 1st edition was around 34k AFAIK, so you'll probably still be looking at over 25k in 2022

If that happens I'll have at least €11k in equity towards a new one as my GMFV is €14k.

fafy · 04-07-2021 10:26PM

ted1 wrote: »

Where did you see the ID3 for that? I plan to put down a deposit on the 3 or 4 this week

It was in a very limited choice of metallic colours, Life model 204 bhp, and if you notice on the price list, there is an additional 1,544 discount on “limited” stock, so total of 33,387 incl metallic, so its basically another 3.3 k off the full price, got the 30k price at two different dealers, So it wasn’t a fluke, or an error.

fafy · 04-07-2021 10:35PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Correct, earliest Life model you'll get is a 211 reg

The base 1st edition was around 34k AFAIK, so you'll probably still be looking at over 25k in 2022

Yes, spot on, totally forgot that.

hold my beer · 05-07-2021 09:23AM

TitianGerm wrote: »

If that happens I'll have at least €11k in equity towards a new one as my GMFV is €14k.

That's after 3 years.

zg3409 · 05-07-2021 09:39AM

Cyrus wrote: »

Anyone used eV charging at center parcs by any chance? How do they allocate them and do people move once charged?

See plugshare app for user reports. May be empty, may be full, may be blocked. Try to park a few spaces away and unplug as soon as you are full. Then you don't need to move your car to unblock charger.

irishgrover · 05-07-2021 09:53AM

was in Portlaoise on Saturday to pick something up, coming from south galway so went via Limerick so went to do a very short top up in the plaza before heading home.

When I got there there were 2 cars already there. One, a 40 Leaf, using the Chademo on the 50kW and another 64 soul on the 150kW using the CCS.
When I pulled in the Leaf woman was nice enough to tell me she would only be another 10 minutes and the Soul driver said he was leaving in 2 minutes.
Spoke to the soul man and he mentioned he had only ever gotten charging speed of 48 on his soul and wanted to know if I was getting more (the max I noticed to date was 76kW)

Anyway off he went and I plugged into the 150. I was only getting 48kW which lead me to believe that 150kW is not working properly as based on my SOH I should have been getting high 60's. Maybe the other guy has only ever fast charged at this unit, hence his low speed? Is anyone aware of an issue with this unit?

In the 10 minutes I was charging a guy in an ipace appeared, I told him I would be less than 10 minutes he said no problem he would use the other cable... I explained that the chademo would not work on his car so he could either wait for me or use the 50kW tripple head (as the leaf driver was packing up). He explainined that he normally charges as home but forgot to and was running low. He moved to the 50kW and (unnoticed to me) plugged in the 7kW charger and the driver and passanger headed into the Plaza.

Then a lady in an ioniq appeared and again I told her I'd be 5 minutes and she proceeded to tell me no prolem, she could use the other cable (Charamo). I explained she could not, and then when I was finishing explained the different process to her on the 150kW units in terms of a.) select type b.) Plus in c.) authenticate. This was all news to her.

At that point I went looking for ipace man to explain that unless he was willing to wait 10+hours he should consider using the CCS cable instead of the type 2. He explained that he car did not come with a connection for the big cables and he could only use the home charger cable. I proceeded to goto his car with him, show him his port and explain that the black think at the bottom of his port was a dust cover for the lower part of a CCS commection. He genuinely did not believe me until he had removed it.

Notes from my Laois adventure

1. First time I've had to Queue at a charger for a couple of years (most of my trips are Gal <>Dub which is very well served)
2. The 150 unit might be under supplying?
3. Way too many people on the road don't know how to use chargers.

KCross · 05-07-2021 10:05AM

irishgrover wrote: »

At that point I went looking for ipace man to explain that unless he was willing to wait 10+hours he should consider using the CCS cable instead of the type 2. He explained that he car did not come with a connection for the big cables and he could only use the home charger cable. I proceeded to goto his car with him, show him his port and explain that the black think at the bottom of his port was a dust cover for the lower part of a CCS commection. He genuinely did not believe me until he had removed it.

Shocking. I blame the dealers mainly.

AndyBoBandy · 05-07-2021 10:06AM

the 15okW unit at Portlaoise is limited to 50 0r 75kW (despite the app now saying its up to 150.....)

MJohnston · 05-07-2021 10:19AM

irishgrover wrote: »

3. Way too many people on the road don't know how to use chargers.

This is not the problem. People should not have to know how to use chargers beyond "scan your card and plug in the right cable" and it's a massive failure of infrastructural design that we aren't at that stage yet.

For example, it's ridiculous that 3-head chargers contain no physical indicators as to whether you can or can't use a given plug. Obviously if you scan your card first, you'll see the display show that certain plugs may be unavailable. But that's not how most people will use a charging cable — they'll tend to plug in, then scan their card. Which is where the CCS-Chademo interruption problem arises.

Throw a red/green LED above each cable type, and people would know at a glance not to try to use that one. One of many simple bits of user interaction design that put together would negate the need for new EV owners to memorise a catalog of charging etiquette.

eddhorse · 05-07-2021 10:27AM

^^ I'd have to agree with this

irishgrover · 05-07-2021 10:29AM

MJohnston wrote: »

This is not the problem. People should not have to know how to use chargers beyond "scan your card and plug in the right cable" and it's a massive failure of infrastructural design that we aren't at that stage yet.

For example, it's ridiculous that 3-head chargers contain no physical indicators as to whether you can or can't use a given plug. Obviously if you scan your card first, you'll see the display show that certain plugs may be unavailable. But that's not how most people will use a charging cable — they'll tend to plug in, then scan their card. Which is where the CCS-Chademo interruption problem arises.

Throw a red/green LED above each cable type, and people would know at a glance not to try to use that one. One of many simple bits of user interaction design that put together would negate the need for new EV owners to memorise a catalog of charging etiquette.

I agree with regards to the UI/UX on the units. However not knowing if your car uses Chadamo V CCS and not knowing that your car can fast charge really requires a bit of RTFM

slave1 · 05-07-2021 10:31AM

irishgrover wrote: »

was in Portlaoise on Saturday.....and I plugged into the 150..

Then a lady in an ioniq appeared and again I told her I'd be 5 minutes and she proceeded to tell me no prolem, she could use the other cable (Charamo). I explained she could not..

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Are the eCars 150 units not dual supply i.e. she could have used the CHAdeMO whilst you were using the CCS????

irishgrover · 05-07-2021 10:33AM

slave1 wrote: »

Are the eCars 150 units not dual supply i.e. she could have used the CHAdeMO whilst you were using the CCS????

No, I was in a soul, she was in an Ioniq - both CCS

EDIT: Unless you mean the 50kW unit with the leaf - but I discounted that becuase the soul driver was about to leave the 150kW unit, which I would have prefered anyways (if it had have actually been a 150kW, which it transpired it was not :-) )

slave1 · 05-07-2021 10:35AM

Oh, missed that piece, my bad, thank fek for early Gen Tesla's, can use either CCS or CHAdeMO

MJohnston · 05-07-2021 10:36AM

irishgrover wrote: »

I agree with regards to the UI/UX on the units. However not knowing if your car uses Chadamo V CCS and not knowing that your car can fast charge really requires a bit of RTFM

Well Chademo vs CCS is a failure of the industry really, but thankfully something we won't have to endure for much longer.

That will bring us down to "what speed is this charger?" and ultimately eCars are absolutely failing at explaining that clearly and simply to most people who aren't EV nerds.

slave1 · 05-07-2021 10:39AM

MJohnston wrote: »

.... but thankfully something we won't have to endure for much longer.

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CHAdeMO will remain for at least a decade, lots of Leafs on our roads....not to mention Outlanders

MJohnston · 05-07-2021 10:43AM

slave1 wrote: »

CHAdeMO will remain for at least a decade, lots of Leafs on our roads....not to mention Outlanders

If we're building new charging infrastructure for outdated PHEVs, then we're truly looking into the abyss.

slave1 · 05-07-2021 11:12AM

We are

ELM327 · 05-07-2021 11:15AM

Are we?
Recent install from ecars (ie J14) shows a lot more CCS than chademo and theres even less fast AC. I think we're moving in the right direction

80% of charging points (DC) should be CCS now as thats really the percentage of new cars sold.

MJohnston · 05-07-2021 11:24AM

slave1 wrote: »

We are

From the look of recent hubs where Chademo is being sidelined, I would tend to disagree. It's a legacy connector, and I think eCars are designing in a way that treats it as such. Which will minimise the amount of confusion it causes.

Beyond that, I guess when I said "something we won't have to endure much longer" I'm talking about net-new EV owners, which will be largely CCS. The people who already have Leafs are probably more aware of their incompatibilities than the millions of new EV owners who are coming in the next few years, who won't have to worry about such things.

slave1 · 05-07-2021 12:00PM

My point being we are doing fresh installs of CHAdeMO chargers.
In a twisted view of things CHAdeMO EVs can actually have easier access to chargers given most/new EV's are CCS as the minute e.g. triple head

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