Random EV thoughts.....

ELM327 · 01-07-2021 01:57PM

MJohnston wrote: »

This is exactly what you already do with analogue meters

No it's not, the price is set in advance of consumption.
With the variable meters you're getting prices in 30 minute blocks based on demand. So you have to go through each day and plan your usage? fcuk that.

MJohnston · 01-07-2021 02:05PM

ELM327 wrote: »

No it's not, the price is set in advance of consumption.
With the variable meters you're getting prices in 30 minute blocks based on demand. So you have to go through each day and plan your usage? fcuk that.

That's not what exists in Ireland though, at least not for the next few years. Right now there's not much difference between smart metering and analogue metering here, other than offering a few extra fixed off-peak tariffs, like extra Night saver periods.

I wish my renewal was up soon, because I'd consider switching to Electric Ireland's Smart Dual+ Weekender plan — free electricity at weekends? I'd rip the piss out of that offer.

And then in a few years time, I'll absolutely have PV and storage ready to go to ensure I never need to care about variable pricing, if it ever happens.

ELM327 · 01-07-2021 02:14PM

It exists like that in the uk so that is the direction it's going - re variable pricing.

MJohnston wrote: »

That's not what exists in Ireland though, at least not for the next few years. Right now there's not much difference between smart metering and analogue metering here, other than offering a few extra fixed off-peak tariffs, like extra Night saver periods.

I wish my renewal was up soon, because I'd consider switching to Electric Ireland's Smart Dual+ Weekender plan — free electricity at weekends? I'd rip the piss out of that offer.

And then in a few years time, I'll absolutely have PV and storage ready to go to ensure I never need to care about variable pricing, if it ever happens.

free electricity at weekend is interesting. Assuming 48 hours at 7kW thats 336kWh. You could charge your EVs (100-150kWh for 2 EVs) and store the rest for the week. 200kWh of storage is still very expensive though, hopefully it comes down.

cannco253 · 01-07-2021 02:18PM

Are there any regulatory limits on how much storage you can have at a residential address?

MJohnston · 01-07-2021 02:21PM

ELM327 wrote: »

It exists like that in the uk so that is the direction it's going - re variable pricing.

Even if it does go the exact same way as the UK, there are plenty of positives to variable pricing too. There are UK providers that pay you to use grid demand at certain times of the day.

ELM327 · 01-07-2021 02:24PM

cannco253 wrote: »

Are there any regulatory limits on how much storage you can have at a residential address?

Not that I'm aware of, but I'm sure there's an upper limit somewhere and someone more knowledgeable than me will be along to add it!

ELM327 · 01-07-2021 02:26PM

MJohnston wrote: »

Even if it does go the exact same way as the UK, there are plenty of positives to variable pricing too. There are UK providers that pay you to use grid demand at certain times of the day.

And that's when it works. If you have 100% variable demand - ie you need X kWh per day and you need 2 hours of grid connection to get it - then you can pivot to that time, and store the energy until you need it

I've already migrated a lot of my variable demand to night rate. heating, washing, drying, EV charging (before I sold severus) etc. But there's always standing demand that needs meeting during the day - and thus we need storage to meet them if there's variable pricing.

innrain · 01-07-2021 02:57PM

cannco253 wrote: »

IT publishing a lot of stories recently about EVs, electricity supply and the environment. Here's another one from today.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/electricity-supply-concerns-spark-emergency-plans-for-dublin-1.4608199

Scaremongering or real?

I wonder how long it will be before people start blaming "all those electric cars" for some of the problems.

If I would be a journalist I'd research what other would be doing around the world.
"The project is called the Saticoy battery storage system, and it came about when the local community in Oxnard fought against having a new gas-powered peaker plant to help respond to the energy demand during peak times."
Exactly the opposite of what ESB is proposing
https://electrek.co/2021/06/30/tesla-megapacks-power-on-battery-replacing-gas-peaker-plant-california/

Kramer · 01-07-2021 03:06PM

MJohnston wrote: »

I'd consider switching to Electric Ireland's Smart Dual+ Weekender plan — free electricity at weekends? I'd rip the piss out of that offer.

ELM327 wrote: »

free electricity at weekend is interesting. Assuming 48 hours at 7kW thats 336kWh. You could charge your EVs (100-150kWh for 2 EVs) and store the rest for the week. 200kWh of storage is still very expensive though

It's not for 48 hours, it's just 28 hours. It's not free either - you're significantly overpaying for electricity for the other 140 hours in the week.

They also explicitly forbid any "gaming" of the tariff - you'll be out on your ear if you use too much "free electricity"!

We may contact you if we think you’re using an unreasonably large amount of electricity on your free day(s). If we think you are using an excessive amount, we may take you off the tariff and move you to another tariff.

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Good luck to anyone thinking of buying a couple of 100kWh cars to save money on that tariff :pac:.

MJohnston · 01-07-2021 03:31PM

Kramer wrote: »

It's not for 48 hours, it's just 28 hours. It's not free either - you're significantly overpaying for electricity for the other 140 hours in the week.

They also explicitly forbid any "gaming" of the tariff - you'll be out on your ear if you use too much "free electricity"!

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Good luck to anyone thinking of buying a couple of 100kWh cars to save money on that tariff :pac:.

Base rate seems to be 19.98c per kWh compared to 18.21c per kWh on the standard plan, so I'm not sure I'd call that "significantly" overpaying!

I'm sure someone can do the math, but I can imagine if you scheduled your charging for the free period at the weekends, you wouldn't come near to reaching what Electric Ireland would call excessive, and you would save a fair amount.

cannco253 · 01-07-2021 09:13PM

https://merrionstreet.ie/en/news-room/releases/minister_ryan_announces_funding_approval_for_on-street_charge_points_for_electric_vehicles.html

Why is it only 2 councils are involved in this?
I've pestered Galway CoCo about this already and got zero response from them. Not interested in the slightest.

garo · 01-07-2021 09:34PM

MJohnston wrote: »

Base rate seems to be 19.98c per kWh compared to 18.21c per kWh on the standard plan, so I'm not sure I'd call that "significantly" overpaying!

I'm sure someone can do the math, but I can imagine if you scheduled your charging for the free period at the weekends, you wouldn't come near to reaching what Electric Ireland would call excessive, and you would save a fair amount.

19.98c is outrageous. You can go to Energia or Bord Gais and get 16c. 25% extra is "significantly overpaying".
Also I think the terms have changes. Its free electricity from 8am to 11pm on Saturday OR Sunday. So only 15 hours.

innrain · 01-07-2021 10:00PM

cannco253 wrote: »

https://merrionstreet.ie/en/news-room/releases/minister_ryan_announces_funding_approval_for_on-street_charge_points_for_electric_vehicles.html

Why is it only 2 councils are involved in this?
I've pestered Galway CoCo about this already and got zero response from them. Not interested in the slightest.

"Three applications have been approved for funding. Louth County Council have applied for funding for 20 charge points with Dublin City Council applying for 9 charge points under two applications."
Dundalk and Drogheda will be full of chargers. Dublin needed 2 applications for 9 chargers. It is a start at least, 2 years after the grant was announced

02-07-2021 07:53AM

Which FC point in waterford is the one that get blocked by the owner?

JohnC. · 02-07-2021 07:59AM

Mr.Thompson wrote: »

Which FC point in waterford is the one that get blocked by the owner?

Applegreen, just off the outer ring road. Not the one in the city centre, which is in a council car park.

02-07-2021 08:09AM

JohnC. wrote: »

Applegreen, just off the outer ring road. Not the one in the city centre, which is in a council car park.

Is it still an issue ? ie plan on avoiding it ?

AndyBoBandy · 02-07-2021 08:12AM

Mr.Thompson wrote: »

Is it still an issue ? ie plan on avoiding it ?

Take a spin past it and update us all, but don’t plan on using it, or rely on needing it.

ESB claimed a few weeks ago that the ‘issues’ were resolved, and it was back available again….

But that’s an eternity of time for that location to go loopy again…

02-07-2021 08:14AM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Take a spin past it and update us all, but don’t plan on using it, or rely on needing it.

If I could go and look I wouldn't be asking here would I.

TitianGerm · 02-07-2021 08:19AM

I'll be in Waterford tomorrow so I'll pop over and have a look.

Busman Paddy Lasty · 04-07-2021 08:58AM

For a second thought Bjorn was on main street in Swords! He was in Trondheim but at a glance looked like it.

the_amazing_raisin · 04-07-2021 11:12AM

Busman Paddy Lasty wrote: »

For a second thought Bjorn was on main street in Swords! He was in Trondheim but at a glance looked like it.

Which video was that? I'm behind on my Bjorn watching

The Black Oil · 04-07-2021 11:45AM

Just saw an ad for Toyota's hybrids on one of Bjorn's videos, I let it play for about a minute because it was quite amusing. :pac:

"Toyotas actually charge themselves." :pac::pac::pac:

Self-charging, the sequel. :pac:

Busman Paddy Lasty · 04-07-2021 12:11PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Which video was that? I'm behind on my Bjorn watching

Trip to North Cape in ID.4 GTX Part 9. Look at him there almost outside Shaker & Vine.

the_amazing_raisin · 04-07-2021 01:40PM

Busman Paddy Lasty wrote: »

Trip to North Cape in ID.4 GTX Part 9. Look at him there almost outside Shaker & Vine.

*need to learn how to embed pictures

Wow, that is a lot like Swords, even the shops look similar. Found our twin city I guess

Bjorn looks like he just tried everything the CBD shop in Pavilions was selling

fafy · 04-07-2021 04:42PM

Going to delay purchasing an EV, until early next year,
Do people think i could get either a 2019 BMW i3, or a 2020/2021 VW ID3 Life for €25k in the first half of 2022 ?

The 2019 i3’s are somewhere between 29 & 32k right now(not an S, just the standard model), and best cash price i could get for a new 2021 ID3 Life 204hp, was 30k. (pre-MY22 stock only)

So i figured, 25k might be a viable price in 2022, or, am i deluded !???

MJohnston · 04-07-2021 04:54PM

fafy wrote: »

Going to delay purchasing an EV, until early next year,
Do people think i could get either a 2019 BMW i3, or a 2020/2021 VW ID3 Life for €25k in the first half of 2022 ?

The 2019 i3’s are somewhere between 29 & 32k right now(not an S, just the standard model), and best cash price i could get for a new 2021 ID3 Life 204hp, was 30k. (pre-MY22 stock only)

So i figured, 25k might be a viable price in 2022, or, am i deluded !???

Should be a flood of 2019 i3s (it’s hard to pluralise the i3 when the i3S exists!) coming into the second hand market next year as 3 year finance plans start to finish, and people will upgrade to one of the newer BMW electrics.

fafy · 04-07-2021 05:01PM

MJohnston wrote: »

Should be a flood of 2019 i3s (it’s hard to pluralise the i3 when the i3S exists!) coming into the second hand market next year as 3 year finance plans start to finish, and people will upgrade to one of the newer BMW electrics.

Good to hear, i had not actually thought of the Finance contracts ending.

the_amazing_raisin · 04-07-2021 05:49PM

fafy wrote: »

Going to delay purchasing an EV, until early next year,
Do people think i could get either a 2019 BMW i3, or a 2020/2021 VW ID3 Life for €25k in the first half of 2022 ?

The 2019 i3’s are somewhere between 29 & 32k right now(not an S, just the standard model), and best cash price i could get for a new 2021 ID3 Life 204hp, was 30k. (pre-MY22 stock only)

So i figured, 25k might be a viable price in 2022, or, am i deluded !???

Probably worth noting that the ID.3 is on 0% finance. I know you're looking at a cash buy but you could get free finance with minimal deposit and keep your savings intact

fafy · 04-07-2021 08:12PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Probably worth noting that the ID.3 is on 0% finance. I know you're looking at a cash buy but you could get free finance with minimal deposit and keep your savings intact

I am aware thanks, the question i am wondering is really, what an ID 3 Life 204hp, will be worth in 2022

zg3409 · 04-07-2021 09:43PM

Depreciation is typically 20% in year 1 and 10% from year 2 onwards, but it really depends on supply and demand. If demand is high a d very few used models then used prices will be higher and depreciation less.

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