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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #8222
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    zackory wrote: »
    Getting the excuses in early.

    Even though indoor hospitality will stay closed people will just work around it with house parties and events so the increase in social mixing in uncontrolled environments will increase.

    There is zero garda enforcement of this and you rarely hear of sheebeens and house parties being raided lately.
    If, as almost everyone except NPHET believes, the cases don't happen it does very much weaken their recommendations. The acceleration of the vaccination programme too will have an effect.


  • #8223
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    beaz2018 wrote: »
    I saw MM saying yesterday that if nolans models are wrong it will be great news, it will have meant we kept more people safe. FFS it wont come cost free you simpleton.

    MM has regressed back into the school teacher he is....this pandemic has got the better of him as well, I'd say it's safe to say the Cabinet have been crippled with fear since it took office led by MM.

    Which is why they are happy to outsource decisions it to Nphet.

    By any and every metric we have made a complete shambles of this, is any one really surprised?

    I said it months ago...he is like a guy playing three card monte, he hasn't a clue what is happening!!


  • #8224
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    In my view:

    - delay in indoor hospitality by a few weeks was probably on balance the correct decision.
    - the next 2/3 weeks will see the vast majority of 40 plus fully vaccinated.
    - the new arrangements for those less than 35 on vaccinations will also have an effect.
    - we are on the home straight.

    Despite all this, NPHET overplayed their card on the modelling. Same as they did on masks and have done on antigen tests.


  • #8225
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,406 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    beaz2018 wrote: »
    I saw MM saying yesterday that if nolans models are wrong it will be great news, it will have meant we kept more people safe. FFS it wont come cost free you simpleton.

    Does he not understand people are just drinking in houses and very few people care anymore.

    When the ridiculous model is completely wrong all it will prove is they got it wrong like every other time.

    Do we do any accountability in this country it seems you get promoted for being a failure.


  • #8226
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    In my view:

    - delay in indoor hospitality by a few weeks was probably on balance the correct decision.

    It's not a few weeks delay though, Holohan wants it closed until september unless there is an enforceable vaccinated only system in place.

    There is no date for indoor to open, they have collectively kicked the can down the road for a couple of weeks and see what happens then.


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  • #8227
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    beaz2018 wrote: »
    I saw MM saying yesterday that if nolans models are wrong it will be great news, it will have meant we kept more people safe. FFS it wont come cost free you simpleton.
    I don't think the cost of staying closed has been seirously discussed in public since October.


  • #8228
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    MM has regressed back into the school teacher he is....

    Nothing wrong with being a teacher.
    Try it sometime.
    I can assure you that being a teacher is a much tougher job than being Taoiseach......most jobs, in fact, are tougher.


  • #8229
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,439 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    AdamD wrote: »
    I don't think the cost of staying closed has been seirously discussed in public since October.

    Once we get to this October, maybe it will be, with the budget :-P


  • #8230
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    zackory wrote: »
    It's not a few weeks delay though, Holohan wants it closed until september unless there is an enforceable vaccinated only system in place.

    There is no date for indoor to open, they have collectively kicked the can down the road for a couple of weeks and see what happens then.

    I expect we will see it open before the end of the month. The kick back has been fierce and TDs are feeling the heat.

    There is now talk of vaccinated ok and antigen testing for others.


  • #8231
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,080 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with being a teacher.
    Try it sometime.
    I can assure you that being a teacher is a much tougher job than being Taoiseach......most jobs, in fact, are tougher.


    Of course there's nothing wrong with being a teacher, but we don't need a teacher we need a Taoiseach


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  • #8232
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    I expect we will see it open before the end of the month. The kick back has been fierce and TDs are feeling the heat.

    There is now talk of vaccinated ok and antigen testing for others.

    Yeah they need to come up with a workaround next week that makes nphet feel relevant and important but let's society get on with it.

    Same with attendances at stadiums, 25% capacity next weekend and 50% soon after.

    The time for small scale progression has passed.


  • #8233
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,406 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    I expect we will see it open before the end of the month. The kick back has been fierce and TDs are feeling the heat.

    There is now talk of vaccinated ok and antigen testing for others.

    They are following the science so I don't see why they would open up because people are fed up.


  • #8234
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    They are following the science so I don't see why they would open up because people are fed up.

    Of course they are, look at the disaster in the hospitals in the North because they didn't follow the science.

    They are bringing in 6 hospital ships to help cope.


  • #8235
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    They are following the science so I don't see why they would open up because people are fed up.
    They are following a set of projections which could prove to be wildly wrong! It's not people being fed up, it's the uncertainty it brings to a very wide range of other economic activities and of course increasingly government finances.


  • #8236
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    They are following the science so I don't see why they would open up because people are fed up.

    The science points to:

    1. Vaccinated people are protected from the virus and the variants. In three weeks time the vast majority of over 40’s will be fully vaccinated.

    2. Antigen tests do have a role to play.


  • #8237
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Of course there's nothing wrong with being a teacher, but we don't need a teacher we need a Taoiseach

    Martin is not a teacher. He’s not registered. He’s a politician since the late 1980s.

    God knows what some of you on here thought of John Major .... who left school at 16.

    A person’s intelligence or leadership abilities are not reflected by their job description and those of you on here slagging off NPHET should investigate the qualifications of its members


  • #8238
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    In my view:

    - delay in indoor hospitality by a few weeks was probably on balance the correct decision.
    - the next 2/3 weeks will see the vast majority of 40 plus fully vaccinated.
    - the new arrangements for those less than 35 on vaccinations will also have an effect.
    - we are on the home straight.

    Despite all this, NPHET overplayed their card on the modelling. Same as they did on masks and have done on antigen tests.

    The problem with over playing the card is that people loose confidence and trust in what they say .


  • #8239
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    The problem with over playing the card is that people loose confidence and trust in what they say .

    Indeed. Even McConkey recognises this.


  • #8240
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    I find this Twitter page decent most days but he does spout doom and gloom. It’s 48 in hospitals and forgets to mention that there’s no discharging at the weekends!

    https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1411624297567764480?s=21


  • #8241
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    Martin is not a teacher. He’s not registered. He’s a politician since the late 1980s.

    God knows what some of you on here thought of John Major .... who left school at 16.

    A person’s intelligence or leadership abilities are not reflected by their academic qualifications and those of you on here slagging off NPHET should investigate the qualifications of its members

    NPHET are being "slagged off" for their behaviour, their overzealous focus on data models and seeing case numbers as the only measure of how many will end up in hospital. 400-500 cases a day for months and we have 14 in ICU!


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  • #8242
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    Martin is not a teacher. He’s not registered. He’s a politician since the late 1980s.

    God knows what some of you on here thought of John Major .... who left school at 16.

    A person’s intelligence or leadership abilities are not reflected by their job description and those of you on here slagging off NPHET should investigate the qualifications of its members

    People are slagging off NPHET because almost every other country in Europe and every state in the usa is getting on with it and living with covid and NPHET lack the ability to move on.

    Not sure what qualifications has got to do their failings tbh.


  • #8243
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    is_that_so wrote: »
    NPHET are being "slagged off" for their behaviour, their overzealous focus on data models and seeing case numbers as the only measure of how many will end up in hospital. 400-500 cases a day for months and we have 14 in ICU!

    I understand some of the frustration.

    Martin is a member of a cabinet of 15. He has one vote when decisions are taken like lockdown. Let’s discuss the professions of the other 14 ... shall we?


  • #8244
    TefalBrain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That so-called tsunami is based on something we are not doing next Monday and one might argue yet again that the next two weeks are crucial. They are for two reasons, one is to see how UK data goes, which is where our projected numbers are coming from, and the second is to go hell for leather on vaccinations this month so that the available pool shrinks substantially. Now there is no great confidence that July 19 will mark a difference in approach but no appreciable increase in hospitalisations should put the government in a better position to make decisions.

    Just 2 more weeks




















    Promise


  • #8245
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    I understand some of the frustration.

    Martin is a member of a cabinet of 15. He has one vote when decisions are taken like lockdown. Let’s discuss the professions of the other 14 ... shall we?

    You seem to be upset because you are a teacher and you perceive your profession is being sagged off or something?


  • #8246
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,439 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    There's science and then there's Irish science.


  • #8247
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    zackory wrote: »
    You seem to be upset because you are a teacher and you perceive your profession is being sagged off or something?

    Not upset at all.
    It’s just a stupid comment from people who lack respect for teachers and who know little of how politics actually happens.
    We don’t have one Fuhrer teacher at the top making all the decisions

    The real issue is that all of the restrictions and lockdowns should be voted on by every member of Dáil Éireann.

    But, like everything else in Ireland, we don’t have a proper democracy.
    In Ireland the executive controls the legislature. Completely backwards.


  • #8248
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,470 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    I find this Twitter page decent most days but he does spout doom and gloom. It’s 48 in hospitals and forgets to mention that there’s no discharging at the weekends!

    https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1411624297567764480?s=21

    You'd get depressed looking at that page, nothing but doom and gloom


  • #8249
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    Not upset at all.
    It’s just a stupid comment from people who lack respect for teachers and who know little of how politics actually happens.
    We don’t have one Fuhrer teacher at the top making all the decisions

    The real issue is that all of the restrictions and lockdowns should be voted on by every member of Dáil Éireann.

    But, like everything else in Ireland, we don’t have a proper democracy.
    In Ireland the executive controls the legislature. Completely backwards.

    When I'm not upset about something I too go on long tirades and rants to show how totally not upset I am.


  • #8250
    beaz2018
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭beaz2018


    Mclysath or whatever her name is peddled out again by RTE to maintain maximum fear and compliance. After the year people have put in, they are a complete and utter disgrace.


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  • #8251
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    Not upset at all.
    It’s just a stupid comment from people who lack respect for teachers and who know little of how politics actually happens.
    We don’t have one Fuhrer teacher at the top making all the decisions

    The real issue is that all of the restrictions and lockdowns should be voted on by every member of Dáil Éireann.

    But, like everything else in Ireland, we don’t have a proper democracy.
    In Ireland the executive controls the legislature. Completely backwards.

    I dont lack respect for teachers who teach what they are qualified to teach
    What bothers me is our system of having politicians with no qualifications to lead a country . We get people like Norma Foley then having the arrogance to think she is somehow qualified to be a M of Ed because her daddy was a politician and she is a teacher .
    We have TDs with no qualifications in leadership or leading a country in a crisis .


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