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Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

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  • #4862
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    JC01 wrote: »
    Which is why I find it odd that the mods decided to close down the other thread discussing people not taking the vaccine. Now all these “anti-Vax” posts are in this thread instead.

    Do you think everyone who won’t take the vaccine is automatically an anti vaxxer conspiracy theorist?

    More less, yes.


  • #4863
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,476 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Johnny0Toole wrote: »
    There's still a bit to go but that 1m from Romania could be key in getting this done by the end of August (for adults anyway).
    It's also worth bearing in mind that NIAC advice is still to use mRNA vaccines where available, so it makes sense (for now) for the govt to acquire as much of it as possible.


  • #4864
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Would it have made sense to let the Army in on the vaccinations at this point, set up centre's nationwide get it done quickly and efficiently.

    Soldiers already out in force doing jabs


  • #4865
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think we should have a collective demonstration to thank our wise and benevolent governors who, a scant 188 days after the first vaccines were administered in the EU have now hit on the genius idea of asking other EU countries if they've any spare.

    Unfortunately in the same week as their own CMO trashed the vaccine campaign and said they didn't make any difference.


  • #4866
    JC01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭JC01


    cgcsb wrote: »
    More less, yes.

    Very weird viewpoint. 3 years ago if someone said they wouldn’t bother with the flu jab would you automatically assume the same thing?


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  • #4867
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,366 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Acosta wrote: »
    Should I have a few Paracetamol before and after the jab?

    Dont take it before.
    Have it handy in case you need it afterwards.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4868
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    JC01 wrote: »
    Very weird viewpoint. 3 years ago if someone said they wouldn’t bother with the flu jab would you automatically assume the same thing?

    If there were a flu pandemic of a particularly aggressive strain as there was in 1969/1970 then yes I would.


  • #4869
    JPA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,658 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Soldiers already out in force doing jabs

    They are testing and involved in logistics but they are not administering vaccines.


  • #4870
    robinbird
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭robinbird


    Lumen wrote: »
    According to the CSO estimates I have there are a little over 1m 18-34s.

    Age group Thousands
    15 - 19 years 323.9
    20 - 24 years 307.2
    25 - 29 years 292.2
    30 - 34 years 324


    Johnny0Toole wrote: »
    Okay, you're not looking at population number. We have 3.8 million adults in the country, we have given 2.5m of them at least one dose, and around 1.7m are fully vaccinated. In total that leaves 1.3m unvaccinated and around 800,000 partially vaccinated. There's still a bit to go but that 1m from Romania could be key in getting this done by the end of August (for adults anyway).


    OK. You're correct. According to Donnelly there are 800,000 left in the 18-34 cohort left to be offered vaccine. So approx 200,000 of them have already been done through a GP. Add this to the 130,000 35-44s registered left to do and the numbers remaining are approx 930,000.
    I am discounting the over 35s that have for whatever reason not taken up the offer to register for a vaccine which would account for difference with CSO figures

    Given vaccine hesitancy in the 18-34 cohort I think it reasonable to reduce the figure by approx 200,000. That would give an uptake in this cohort of approx 80%. That might be optimistic

    So 730,000 first doses to be done in July in addition to 700,000 approx second doses.

    At 350,000 a week between MVCs, pharmacies and GPs combined no reason this can't be cleared by end July.

    Buying the romanian Pfizer means that the plan is to start vaccinating children.


  • #4871
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    JPA wrote: »
    They are testing and involved in logistics but they are not administering vaccines.

    No they are also administering vaccines. I seen them at Citywest and and at UCD


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  • #4872
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    The whole 50 per pharmacy seems to be a bit shït.
    The logistics of dividing them up and then delivering them seems a pain in the hole.

    Must be a better way.


  • #4873
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,476 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    The whole 50 per pharmacy seems to be a bit shït.
    The logistics of dividing them up and then delivering them seems a pain in the hole.

    Must be a better way.

    Mass vaccination centres. :D


  • #4874
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    The whole 50 per pharmacy seems to be a bit shït.
    The logistics of dividing them up and then delivering them seems a pain in the hole.

    Must be a better way.

    I think they come in packs of 10 vials with 5 or so doses per vial.

    50 or denominations of 50 would therefore be the easiest way to do it.

    Only so many doses available.


  • #4875
    duffman13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭duffman13


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    The whole 50 per pharmacy seems to be a bit shït.
    The logistics of dividing them up and then delivering them seems a pain in the hole.

    Must be a better way.

    They should have given priority to the ones who used the full allocation for over 50s to be honest and then majority request based. I dont know a single pharmacy who wouldn't take 200 units next week in one delivery. Stock is good for until August/September so 50 a week is a joke


  • #4876
    duffman13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭duffman13


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    I think they come in packs of 10 vials with 5 or so doses per vial.

    50 or denominations of 50 would therefore be the easiest way to do it.

    Only so many doses available.

    Currently guaranteed stocks for the next 3-4 weeks so just shifting them out in one delivery would be better logistically from everyone's POV


  • #4877
    robinbird
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭robinbird


    duffman13 wrote: »
    They should have given priority to the ones who used the full allocation for over 50s to be honest and then majority request based. I dont know a single pharmacy who wouldn't take 200 units next week in one delivery. Stock is good for until August/September so 50 a week is a joke

    According to Donnelly pharmacies have 53,000 Jansen in stock and a further 70,000 are available for distribution at short notice on request.


  • #4878
    john_doe.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭john_doe.


    lucernarian wrote: »
    This just seems like an anti-vax post in disguise. The pandemerix vaccine was made a totally different way to covid, and the issues with that and children were identified in a couple of months. The approved vaccines have been studied over more than a year now, the technology behind them for like a decade, and any identified risks are minimal and mainly affect younger people or the terminally-ill (who are no longer given it if they exceed a "frailty" score).

    The risk from any of the vaccines is incomparable to the risk of covid, all the long term conditions that come from covid too, it's a completely flawed risk assessment if that's how you view it. All you're doing is looking at a few hypotheticals and ignoring the obvious benefits both for you and for society.

    Problem is everything is labelled an anti vax post that disagrees with people's sentiments.
    People have a pre conceived position on the vaccine and will defend it as they don't want to recognise their own risk by taking it or not taking and hoping they have done the right thing.

    Personally I have taken it , so not sure how I'm anti vax. However to question the vaccine risk vs Covid I would thought would be reasonable given the low impact to under 40s from Covid to begin with. Also coupled with various unknows , we may need a booster , we may be able to mix them.
    It's very clear to me this is still an emerging vaccine that is approved for emergency use with quite a lot of unknows. Coupled with the fact they are multiples of vaccines.

    Dismissing people's post as anti vax is I think is very short sighted. I'm sure there are a lot of real anti vaxers that wouldn't take it of they were 10 year safety profiles. Also the defenses raised by people like most things in life now have to be either one side of the fence or not. It's unfortunate people can't have an open mind any longer and just dig into position.

    As I've said I've taken it, mainly to get back to some form of society.


  • #4879
    duffman13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭duffman13


    robinbird wrote: »
    According to Donnelly pharmacies have 53,000 Jansen in stock and a further 70,000 are available for distribution at short notice on request.

    Having made multiple requests yesterday, I was greeted with "every pharmacy will receive 50 doses per week" response each time despite having a large list do many multiples of this

    Pharmacies recieved 50 doses by 750 stores as far as I'm aware so not sure on the 53,000 number. Originally just under 1100 pharmacies were selecting with a over 300 pulling out over a fear of wastage in the over 50s cohort.


  • #4880
    Marcusm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,783 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    The whole 50 per pharmacy seems to be a bit shït.
    The logistics of dividing them up and then delivering them seems a pain in the hole.

    Must be a better way.

    It allows it to be pushed out to more local venues. Lots of people having to travel 45-80kms to a mass vacc centre is not good for the environment!


  • #4881
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Acosta wrote: »
    Should I have a few Paracetamol before and after the jab?

    No. The WHO repeated that citizens are not advised to take painkillers before a jab as it might impact the efficacy of the vaccine.

    "Taking painkillers such as paracetamol before receiving the COVID-19 vaccine to prevent side effects is not recommended," said a spokesperson.

    "This is because it is not known how painkillers may affect how well the vaccine works."

    After the jab is fine if you develop side effects and need relief. Wait to see do you need it before taking it.


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  • #4882
    Marcusm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,783 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    duffman13 wrote: »
    I've no issues if you actually cancel but the majority of people in my experience aren't decent enough to cancel free appointments but it also increases workloads for everyone involved. People are keen to get the vaccine, not a bad thing at all and I'd very much register with a pharmacy and the HSE myself just not multiple pharmacies

    Every pharmacy regardless of size Is getting 50 vaccines, smaller pharmacies are your best bet tbh

    Plus once the shot is drawn it needs to be delivered in 3 hours. A few idiots who fail to cancel multiple appointments and the wastage, in terms of shots and appointments, will Mount up. There probably aren’t many St Gerard’s schoolteachers available to absorb them this time!


  • #4883
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,476 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    robinbird wrote: »
    Buying the romanian Pfizer means that the plan is to start vaccinating children.

    I disagree, for a couple of reasons. Firstly...
    Lumen wrote: »
    It's also worth bearing in mind that NIAC advice is still to use mRNA vaccines where available, so it makes sense (for now) for the govt to acquire as much of it as possible.

    ...and secondly, if we want to avoid vaccinating children and cannot tolerate either endless infection controls in school or naturally acquired immunity through infection, then we're going to need near 100% vaccine coverage of all 3.8m adults.

    According to my maths, that requires something over 7m doses, even with Janssen. We're currently at 4.3m. So there's still almost 3m doses to go.

    Whether we can achieve that level of vaccine coverage is, strictly speaking, unknowable. We know that vaccine hesitancy tends to be eroded as the rollout continues, and it's possible that we could appeal to the remaining hesitant (and mostly childless) adults to get vaccinated to reduce the number of kids that get infected (or need to be vaccinated). Would such a campaign work? Honestly don't know. People are surprising in both negative and positive ways.

    And to be clear, I honestly don't know how risk/reward works for vaccinating children, although I posted some stuff in the schools thread.


  • #4884
    munster87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭munster87


    Great to see the pharmacies getting going with my age group. I have registered. Unsure whether to take J&J or hang on for the Pfizer, are there more pros of either? Hearing of people who got the J&J getting boosters of other vaccines due to variants. I’d like to just get it done asap and that’s looking like J&J so.


  • #4885
    duffman13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭duffman13


    Marcusm wrote: »
    Plus once the shot is drawn it needs to be delivered in 3 hours. A few idiots who fail to cancel multiple appointments and the wastage, in terms of shots and appointments, will Mount up. There probably aren’t many St Gerard’s schoolteachers available to absorb them this time!

    Yeah I think the standard procedure will be calls to confirm appointments the morning of/day before to limit wastage which I don't believe will be an issue in the first few weeks anyway.

    If anyone is wanting one badly, call your nearest pharmacy to your job/home if you can get there at the drop of a hat, you'll probably get on a no show list


  • #4886
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,476 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    munster87 wrote: »
    Great to see the pharmacy’s getting going with my age group. I have registered. Unsure whether to take J&J or hang on for the Pfizer, are there more pros of either? Hearing of people who got the J&J getting boosters of other vaccines due to variants. I’d like to just get it done asap and that’s looking like J&J so.

    I would get J&J now and then one of the mRNA vaccines later when there's excess supply.

    Reason being that you get to a higher level of protection sooner.


  • #4887
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,730 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    munster87 wrote: »
    Great to see the pharmacy’s getting going with my age group. I have registered. Unsure whether to take J&J or hang on for the Pfizer, are there more pros of either? Hearing of people who got the J&J getting boosters of other vaccines due to variants. I’d like to just get it done asap and that’s looking like J&J so.

    In terms of the Delta virus, if we assume J & J recipients get a follow up dose of an mRNA dose later this year, I would say by all means take the J & J if offered it first.


  • #4888
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    munster87 wrote: »
    Great to see the pharmacy’s getting going with my age group. I have registered. Unsure whether to take J&J or hang on for the Pfizer, are there more pros of either? Hearing of people who got the J&J getting boosters of other vaccines due to variants. I’d like to just get it done asap and that’s looking like J&J so.

    Latest J&J data shows it performing very well againstAl variants including data, long term protection is also looking very good. A booster for J&J is by no means a sure thing at all


  • #4889
    Marcusm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,783 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    duffman13 wrote: »
    Yeah I think the standard procedure will be calls to confirm appointments the morning of/day before to limit wastage which I don't believe will be an issue in the first few weeks anyway.

    If anyone is wanting one badly, call your nearest pharmacy to your job/home if you can get there at the drop of a hat, you'll probably get on a no show list

    Still won’t be permitted for 37 year olds. He was teg’d and high on pharmacy waiting list but they’ve been instructed to vaccinated under 35s and over 50s only. You couldn’t make it up. I’m fully done but it would be nice for both to be done.


  • #4890
    km79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,504 ✭✭✭✭km79


    My wife is getting second jab at mvc Monday. She just got the questionnaire text

    I have it in my head that I read here a few times that if she completes it the appointment can end up getting cancelled in error ?
    Am I going mad or is she better not to fill it ?


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  • #4891
    Captain Flaps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Captain Flaps


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Just got for a call for a J&J dose in a Dublin (chain) Pharmacy on Tuesday - absolutely delighted :)

    The guy said that their pharmacy had 2000+ people register on Friday :eek:

    That's great news. I used to work in one of the chain pharmacies (the english one with the green logo, not the one named after footwear) and rang them at 9.05 on Friday, got through no bother and put my name down. Text my brother and he tried them a few mins later and the phone was engaged solidly for the next 6 hours. I don't envy any of the pharmacy staff that day!


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