Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

FrStone · 03-07-2021 10:33AM

Vicxas wrote: »

Boots cancelled my wifes appointment but not mine.

Wonder what the criteria is.

Mine was cancelled too.

Boots advised me that their system went live with too many slots available by mistake. My own boots cancelled 45 appointments made in just 1 hour. They are only getting 1 vial of J&J for all next week - which means they can only vaccinate 5 people apparently...

They told me the 5 people who weren't cancelled were the 5 people that chose the correct time for their slot and those of us who were cancelled chose a slot that wasn't meant to be published.

crooked cockney villain · 03-07-2021 10:39AM

duffman13 wrote: »

Your not forced to take any vaccine though, J&J and AZ are opt ins. You are deciding to take it, personal responsibility on that decision. .

Yes. But there is no ban on me, who has had Covid, taking J&J if that's the only one available in the chemist I book with.

That relies on my own good deed being to refuse it.

That is patently ridiculous as most people will take anything to get it over and done with.

crooked cockney villain · 03-07-2021 10:41AM

duffman13 wrote: »

Ah right, I see where your going here. Again, no one is forced to take anything

"Nobody is forcing you to take anything, but if you refuse to take it you might not get to see the inside of a pub before 2022"

Not forced indeed.

robinbird · 03-07-2021 10:43AM

Rough estimate of figures for July. Open to correction.

MVC capacity. 300,000 per week. So 1,200,000 per month.

Doses to be administered.
Over 60s 2nd AZ - 200,000
34-49 First Pfizer/Moderna- 140,000
34-49 Second Pfizer/Moderna. 400,000

So capacity left of approx 450,000

18-34s
Number in group. Approx 800,000
Number who will take vaccine 700,000
Number in group already done by GPs 200,000
Jansen through pharmacies. 150,000

So approx 350,000 left for MVCs

So maximum numbers of Pfizer/Moderna doses needed in July would be 900,000
Pfizer deliveries in July would be at least 1,00,000.
And we have unknown amounts of Pfizer/Moderna in storage.
Govt won't release figures but 600,000 Pfizer delivered in last week alone.

So why of earth are we buying 1,000,000 extra nearly expired Pfizer from Romania.?

xboxdad · 03-07-2021 10:45AM

Deleted User wrote: »

No issue with people questioning it at all, my issue is a lot of posters clearly have an agenda “I’m not anti vax but vaccines give kids autism and my child is now wheel chair bound because of the vaccine”.

I got mine and the truth is we don’t know the long term effects, that is true of any vaccine or medicine though, they are tested for a period of time before being rolled out, this one has been much faster for obvious reasons.

What’s the definition of long term though for those who are cautious? 2 years, 10,20,50? Where I had doubts i just kept thinking who do I trust more, some of the worlds greatest minds or a group on Facebook telling us we were going to be a signal for three mobile.

The way I see it there are two groups of ppl with questions:
- People with genuine concerns / questions
- The "useless government" type of people

It makes ppl with genuine concerns/questions look bad.
...and it makes it very hard for people with genuine concerns/questions find actual legitimate information.
That's how false "information" spreads it appears.

xboxdad · 03-07-2021 10:50AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Most of the things young women drink in pubs are clearly more dangerous than the vaccine.

..and interestingly nobody's afraid of microchips in various implants, botox, etc...
Even some of the chemicals used in hair dye enter your bloodstream. Why no deliberate poison in that?
I keep asking these questions whenever I encounter a "useless goverment"/"I won't take a microchip" type of person and they never cared to answer me in any meaningful way.

duffman13 · 03-07-2021 10:52AM

robinbird wrote: »

Rough estimate of figures for July. Open to correction.

MVC capacity. 300,000 per week. So 1,200,000 per month.

Doses to be administered.
Over 60s 2nd AZ - 200,000
34-49 First Pfizer/Moderna- 140,000
34-49 Second Pfizer/Moderna. 400,000

So capacity left of approx 450,000

18-34s
Number in group. Approx 1,000,000
Number who will take vaccine 800,000
Number in group already done by GPs 200,000
Jansen through pharmacies. 150,000

So approx 450,000 left for MVCs

I havent looked at figures recently but id imagine Pfizer/Moderna second doses will be a fair bit higher than that.

Pharmacies (around 300) are administering Pfizer too to the tune of about 10,000 a week and to potentially rise from next week 20,000 a week unless that changes due to Janssen

duffman13 · 03-07-2021 10:54AM

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

"Nobody is forcing you to take anything, but if you refuse to take it you might not get to see the inside of a pub before 2022"

Not forced indeed.

Hyperbole and you left out the bit about people waiting a little longer for Pfizer. Literally nobody is being forced to take JJ/AZ

john_doe. · 03-07-2021 10:54AM

Lumen wrote: »

Yeah, because most of the highest risk people are vaccinated.

Look, do whatever you like. Judging by the last few posts the antivax regulars are piling back in, so I'm out.

I think this is the issue, everyone is being labelled antivax for voicing any concern.
As I've said I've taken my first dose of Pfizer but I think the risk factor for under 40s is relatively low for Covid to begin with.

There are an awful lot of unknowns, how long it lasts, immunity to variants. Long-term side affects etc. Discussion on mixing vaccines , allowing under 40 the astra vax shows me this is still very immature.

Getting covid is a risk , getting the vaccine is also a risk. It's a personal choice , as I say my wife had Covid and was fine. Hope the vaccine safety long term is okay. It's still emergency use approved by FDA after all. But people shud be allowed to discuss it.
Swine flu vax done damage in past and everyone thought was safe.

CrowdedHouse · 03-07-2021 11:12AM

What's a CVC?

robinbird · 03-07-2021 11:17AM

duffman13 wrote: »

I havent looked at figures recently but id imagine Pfizer/Moderna second doses will be a fair bit higher than that.

Pharmacies (around 300) are administering Pfizer too to the tune of about 10,000 a week and to potentially rise from next week 20,000 a week unless that changes due to Janssen

Disregarding some variables. So increase 2nd 34-49 doses needed to 600,000. 100,000 of these would be done through GPs /Pharmacies. So 500,000 left for MVCs.
Discounting any AZ first doses.

Rough estimate of figures for July. Open to correction.

MVC capacity. 300,000 per week. So 1,200,000 per month.

Doses to be administered.
Over 60s 2nd AZ - 200,000
34-49 First Pfizer/Moderna- 140,000
34-49 Second Pfizer/Moderna. 500,000

So capacity left of approx 350,000

18-34s
Number in group. Approx 800,000
Number who will take vaccine 700,000
Number in group already done by GPs 200,000
Jansen through pharmacies. 150,000

So approx 350,000 left for MVCs

So maximum numbers of Pfizer/Moderna doses needed in July would be 1,000,000
Pfizer/Moderna deliveries in July would be at least 1,000,000.
And we have unknown amounts of Pfizer/Moderna in storage.
Govt won't release figures but 600,000 Pfizer delivered in last week alone.

So why of earth are we buying 1,000,000 extra nearly expired Pfizer from Romania.?

Lumen · 03-07-2021 11:18AM

john_doe. wrote: »

I think this is the issue, everyone is being labelled antivax for voicing any concern.

Sure, nobody admits to being an antivaxxer, because it's rightly become synonymous with idiocy.

So instead we have "concerns". Whatever. :rolleyes:

john_doe. · 03-07-2021 11:23AM

Lumen wrote: »

Sure, nobody admits to being an antivaxxer, because it's rightly become synonymous with idiocy.

So instead we have "concerns". Whatever. :rolleyes:

I do think that is equally idiotic.
Can people not have genuine concerns about a vaccine that is under emergency use approval.
What exactly is an antivaxxer..

Lack of actual intelligent debate is dumbfounding, but emojis and eye roles clearly cover it.

robinbird · 03-07-2021 11:27AM

john_doe. wrote: »

I do think that is equally idiotic.
Can people not have genuine concerns about a vaccine that is under emergency use approval.
What exactly is an antivaxxer..

Lack of actual intelligent debate is dumbfounding, but emojis and eye roles clearly cover it.

A common tactic. Same way as in the US anyone that raises concerns about control of govt by corporations can be labelled a QAnon, conspiracy theory insurrectionist by media shills like our Donie.

JP100 · 03-07-2021 11:38AM

robinbird wrote: »

Disregarding some variables. So increase 2nd 34-49 doses needed to 600,000. 100,000 of these would be done through GPs /Pharmacies. So 500,000 left for MVCs.
Discounting any AZ first doses.

Rough estimate of figures for July. Open to correction.

MVC capacity. 300,000 per week. So 1,200,000 per month.

Doses to be administered.
Over 60s 2nd AZ - 200,000
34-49 First Pfizer/Moderna- 140,000
34-49 Second Pfizer/Moderna. 500,000

So capacity left of approx 350,000

18-34s
Number in group. Approx 800,000
Number who will take vaccine 700,000
Number in group already done by GPs 200,000
Jansen through pharmacies. 150,000

So approx 350,000 left for MVCs

So maximum numbers of Pfizer/Moderna doses needed in July would be 1,000,000
Pfizer/Moderna deliveries in July would be at least 1,000,000.
And we have unknown amounts of Pfizer/Moderna in storage.
Govt won't release figures but 600,000 Pfizer delivered in last week alone.

So why of earth are we buying 1,000,000 extra nearly expired Pfizer from Romania.?

I'm sure there's others but the very first problem I see with your figures is that you have not included for 40-44 year olds who will also require a 2nd dose in July.

robinbird · 03-07-2021 11:49AM

JP100 wrote: »

I'm sure there's others but the very first problem I see with your figures is that you have not included for 40-44 year olds who will also require a 2nd dose in July.

Included in 500,000 of 35-49s that will need second Pfizer) Moderna in July. That though might likely be an overestimation.

cgcsb · 03-07-2021 11:50AM

angela1711 wrote: »

Has anyone any good source of information re the Moderna vaccine? As in effectiveness, side effects how it comperes to the other vaccines ? You hear a lot about all the other vaccines but not much is mentioned about Moderna. How effective is it against the Delta variant ?

My husband is somewhat vaccine hesitant and it took me a few weeks to talk him into registering. I was almost certain that he will get offered Pfizer (the only vaccines he is willing to take) but the text came yesterday, offering Moderna. He is about to cancel the appointment so just want some reliable information re Moderna.

On the other side if he does decide to cancel/postpone his appointment is there a chance he might be offered Pfizer? He is in the 40-45 age bracket if that's of any importance.

There's almost no difference between Pfizer and Moderna in terms of efficacy and side effects

FrankN1 · 03-07-2021 11:58AM

Has anyone managed to rebook cancelled boots appointments?

americandriver · 03-07-2021 12:00PM

Anyone else think this is some load of crap that 35-39 year olds who have no appointment from the HSE have to wait 35 days to be fully vaxxed but an 18 year old can walk into a pharmacy on Monday and be done with it and be fully vaxxed 14 days later?

https://www.newstalk.com/news/around-145000-people-awaiting-vaccine-appointment-ineligible-for-jj-1219872

I'm supposed to be on a plane beginning of August and now I'm in the position of having to go half protected or not going all because the HSE bureaucracy won't let me get a J&J shot.

Blah blah keep things in perspective, blah loss, blah blah not the end of the world *grumbles*

cgcsb · 03-07-2021 12:06PM

duffman13 wrote: »

I'd be doing that if I was in the 30-34 when that opens.

Biggest issue is I've seen the same names in multiple stores in the booking system and id imagine these people registered in multiple chains/pharmacies so the no show rate might be worrying. Still given the interest, I can't see a wasted vaccine in pharmacy over the next 3 weeks at least

I've registered at multiple pharmacies and I'll just take whichever offers me an appointment first and cancel the others so someone else can get it, nothing wrong with that. I'll also be registering on the hse portal as soon as its open and take whichever comes first.

Swaine · 03-07-2021 12:10PM

cgcsb wrote: »

I've registered at multiple pharmacies and I'll just take whichever offers me an appointment first and cancel the others so someone else can get it, nothing wrong with that. I'll also be registering on the hse portal as soon as its open and take whichever comes first.

Incredible.

You do realise an actual person has to cancel your other appointments. Can you not just wait rather than inundating various places which are already run off their feet? :rolleyes:

km79 · 03-07-2021 12:11PM

americandriver wrote: »

Anyone else think this is some load of crap that 35-39 year olds who have no appointment from the HSE have to wait 35 days to be fully vaxxed but an 18 year old can walk into a pharmacy on Monday and be done with it and be fully vaxxed 14 days later?

https://www.newstalk.com/news/around-145000-people-awaiting-vaccine-appointment-ineligible-for-jj-1219872

I'm supposed to be on a plane beginning of August and now I'm in the position of having to go half protected or not going all because the HSE bureaucracy won't let me get a J&J shot.

Blah blah keep things in perspective, blah loss, blah blah not the end of the world *grumbles*

You can walk into the pharmacy too or am I missing something ?

cgcsb · 03-07-2021 12:11PM

newboard wrote: »

Vaccined this morning, a co-worker said that if I'm getting vaccined they don't want to work in the same place as me for 2 weeks but won't say why, any ideas?

Your co-worker is a fruitcake. Inform your employer

growleaves · 03-07-2021 12:15PM

Lumen wrote: »

Sure, nobody admits to being an antivaxxer, because it's rightly become synonymous with idiocy.

So instead we have "concerns". Whatever. :rolleyes:

Well is everyone who is unvax, not taking a vaccine for any reason or delaying taking it for any reason or giving any thought to side effects, an "anti-vaxxer" in your opinion?

cgcsb · 03-07-2021 12:16PM

JC01 wrote: »

Pop in and out of this forum every now and then for a look at general consensus as much as anything.

Seems the mood is very strongly pro severe lockdowns, vaccine programmes etc in here but am I the only one who thinks it’s very odd that the thread on people not taking the vaccine was closed down as “there’s a spot in the conspiracy theory section for that kind of talk”?

Is there no room at all for some debate on the topic?
I’ve 0 interest in giving ant-vaxxers a platform but the OP in that other post didn’t mention anything about conspiracies at all just mentioned they wouldn’t be taking the vaccine until more information and data was available.

This thread has been a great resource of information for me and many others trying to get the vaccine as quick as possible. I, and assume most others, don't want pages wasted with irrelevant 'debates' about conspiracies. I'd go to conspiracy thread if I wanted to read that stuff.

rm212 · 03-07-2021 12:17PM

americandriver wrote: »

Anyone else think this is some load of crap that 35-39 year olds who have no appointment from the HSE have to wait 35 days to be fully vaxxed but an 18 year old can walk into a pharmacy on Monday and be done with it and be fully vaxxed 14 days later?

https://www.newstalk.com/news/around-145000-people-awaiting-vaccine-appointment-ineligible-for-jj-1219872

I'm supposed to be on a plane beginning of August and now I'm in the position of having to go half protected or not going all because the HSE bureaucracy won't let me get a J&J shot.

Blah blah keep things in perspective, blah loss, blah blah not the end of the world *grumbles*

God some people are never happy, are they? God forbid that someone younger than you might get a different vaccine a couple of weeks sooner because the government (cleverly) has rolled out a two stream opt in system in order to try to vaccinate some people from the younger cohorts faster.

Remember, someone 5 years younger than you shares almost the same risk profile when it comes to COVID as you’re both young. The age based system was rolled out because at the higher ages, risk increases rapidly from 50s into 60s into 70s etc. It was not introduced so that a 35 year old could jet off before a 34 year old; it’s an unfortunate consequence that younger people who don’t get fully vaccinated before late September will have to bear another summer without a holiday unless they want to go through the risk of unvaccinated travel and potentially having to quarantine if they catch the disease.

This JnJ/AZ opt in for under 34s is an attempt to give some of those younger people the opportunity to take advantage of the “vaccine bonus” this summer without risk of spreading delta, which is spreading rapidly in younger cohorts. Someone in the 35-39 category will still be getting their MRNA vaccine very, very shortly.

americandriver · 03-07-2021 12:27PM

km79 wrote: »

You can walk into the pharmacy too or am I missing something ?

If you are 35-49 you are not allowed to take the J&J vaccine.

cgcsb · 03-07-2021 12:28PM

Swaine wrote: »

Incredible.

You do realise an actual person has to cancel your other appointments. Can you not just wait rather than inundating various places which are already run off their feet? :rolleyes:

No big deal, they just have to answer the phone and click cancel on their booking system, takes 10 seconds.

is_that_so · 03-07-2021 12:34PM

robinbird wrote: »

Disregarding some variables. So increase 2nd 34-49 doses needed to 600,000. 100,000 of these would be done through GPs /Pharmacies. So 500,000 left for MVCs.
Discounting any AZ first doses.

Rough estimate of figures for July. Open to correction.

MVC capacity. 300,000 per week. So 1,200,000 per month.

Doses to be administered.
Over 60s 2nd AZ - 200,000
34-49 First Pfizer/Moderna- 140,000
34-49 Second Pfizer/Moderna. 500,000

So capacity left of approx 350,000

18-34s
Number in group. Approx 800,000
Number who will take vaccine 700,000
Number in group already done by GPs 200,000
Jansen through pharmacies. 150,000

So approx 350,000 left for MVCs

So maximum numbers of Pfizer/Moderna doses needed in July would be 1,000,000
Pfizer/Moderna deliveries in July would be at least 1,000,000.
And we have unknown amounts of Pfizer/Moderna in storage.
Govt won't release figures but 600,000 Pfizer delivered in last week alone.

So why of earth are we buying 1,000,000 extra nearly expired Pfizer from Romania.?

Promised is not delivered and probably because a lot more than you. MVCs can do more if they have more shots. Shots in arms starting now rather than at the end of August. Don't forget the large bunch of kids who'll be done in September.

growleaves · 03-07-2021 12:35PM

newboard wrote: »

Vaccined this morning, a co-worker said that if I'm getting vaccined they don't want to work in the same place as me for 2 weeks but won't say why, any ideas?

Yes I know what this is. He thinks that you will be "shedding" for two weeks and he will suffer whatever side effects from the vaccine you might or might not have.

P.s. don't shoot the messenger, I'm helping you out with an explanation not presenting it as my own opinion

Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

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