Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

cgcsb · 30-06-2021 11:30PM

josip wrote: »

Why are NPHET's recommendations always 'leaked' to the press the day before the cabinet meets to discuss them?
They seem to do a bit more than boiler plate 'advising'.

Kite flying to see how much insurrection the public will hurl at them basically. Have been doing it for years now.

30-06-2021 11:47PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Do you have any idea why its performance is seemingly significantly lower than the other MRNA vaccines?

From what I can gather it may be because they used unmodified mRNA. Pfizer and Moderna altered it to improve stability.

It may have degraded before it met a ribosome.

fun loving criminal · 30-06-2021 11:53PM

I read something earlier that the mRNA vaccines can give long term immunity. They figured this out by taking samples from people throughout their study and there wasn't any drop in antibodies over time.

Sounds like good news. Then I read about the UK giving boosters from September. I am just so so confused with what's happening. And if the UK starts giving boosters, what about us? We'll still be vaccinating 20 year olds in September and now there's talk of boosters. Will we ever get on top of all this?

Strazdas · 30-06-2021 11:56PM

cgcsb wrote: »

Kite flying to see how much insurrection the public will hurl at them basically. Have been doing it for years now.

Are you sure it's NPHET doing the leaking? They are a state body with state employees and not in the popularity or spin business (they don't get elected and don't need to be popular).

I'd suggest it's more likely to be politicians doing the leaking to journalists.

amandstu · 01-07-2021 12:28AM

fun loving criminal wrote: »

I read something earlier that the mRNA vaccines can give long term immunity. They figured this out by taking samples from people throughout their study and there wasn't any drop in antibodies over time.

Sounds like good news. Then I read about the UK giving boosters from September. I am just so so confused with what's happening. And if the UK starts giving boosters, what about us? We'll still be vaccinating 20 year olds in September and now there's talk of boosters. Will we ever get on top of all this?

Thought I read recently someone** somewhere saying it would be unconscionable for the rich countries to be providing boosters before the less well off were vaccinated(something along those lines)

Anyway ,looks like we all sink or swim together.

** maybe it was WHO.

ceegee · 01-07-2021 12:50AM

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-29-june-2021.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=araU0fZj6oQ

Apogee · 01-07-2021 12:53AM

Normal service has resumed...

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-29-june-2021.pdf

ACitizenErased · 01-07-2021 12:54AM

Apogee wrote: »

Normal service has resumed...

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-29-june-2021.pdf

Fantastic

ceegee · 01-07-2021 12:59AM

Had it been announced that we'd breached the 60k mark on Friday? I can only remember mention of days being over 50k

01-07-2021 01:01AM

Strazdas wrote: »

NPHET They are a state body with state employees and not in the popularity or spin business.

You must be joking! They don’t spin or leak? Haha, oh boy.

Back on thread topic - got vaxxed today. 28, education worker. Was on a reserve list with local GP (busy practice). Everyone there seemed of a similar age. They were horsing through them, constant stream of people in and out with 20 minutes.

To be honest I’d felt fed up with the whole thing the last few days, for someone who is majorly pro vax I was even considering what’s the point after the madness the last 48 hours. But the call gave me a bit of a sudden pep for the first time in a while.

Strazdas · 01-07-2021 01:17AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You must be joking! They don’t spin or leak? Haha, oh boy.

Back on thread topic - got vaxxed today. 28, education worker. Was on a reserve list with local GP (busy practice). Everyone there seemed of a similar age. They were horsing through them, constant stream of people in and out with 20 minutes.

To be honest I’d felt fed up with the whole thing the last few days, for someone who is majorly pro vax I was even considering what’s the point after the madness the last 48 hours. But the call gave me a bit of a sudden pep for the first time in a while.

You think journalists have Tony Holohan, Ronan Glynn and Philip Nolan on speed dial and are getting constant updates from them? They are civil servants working for the State and are almost certainly not even permitted to have that type of contact with the press. You're mixing them up with ministers and TDs. Leaking info to the media would nearly be a sackable offence.

fun loving criminal · 01-07-2021 01:44AM

Does anyone know how they give the vaccines here?

Watched a video from Dr John Campbell and their vaccinators don't aspirate when injecting the needle. And this has been causing some problems by hitting a blood vessel. The vaccine should be going into the muscle and not into a blood vessel.

The point of aspiration, or sticking the needle in and drawing back on the plunger before injection is if you're in a blood vessel, you will draw out blood and know not to inject.
If you inject, aspirate or draw back and no blood means you're in the muscle and it's safe to give the injection.

A reply under his video came from a paramedic who was never trained to aspirate when giving injections. Watched two YouTube videos afterwards on intramuscular injections and none of them aspirated the needle.

I might sound weird but I'll be asking the vaccinator to aspirate the needle for my next shot to be sure.

amandstu · 01-07-2021 01:47AM

Apogee wrote: »

Normal service has resumed...

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-29-june-2021.pdf

When does the Covid App come back properly?

Polar101 · 01-07-2021 02:15AM

fun loving criminal wrote: »

Does anyone know how they give the vaccines here?

I can't speak for the other 4,1 million doses given, but the person who administered mine was obviously a skilled and a professional medical practitioner. I would have embarassed myself if I had told her I watched videos on Youtube, and started giving her advice on how to do her job.

fun loving criminal · 01-07-2021 02:18AM

Polar101 wrote: »

I can't speak for the other 4,1 million doses given, but the person who administered mine was obviously a skilled and a professional medical practitioner. I would have embarassed myself if I had told her I watched videos on Youtube, and started giving her advice on how to do her job.

Yet there are medical professionals giving injections without aspirating. I'll embarrass myself and be safe and alive.

ceegee · 01-07-2021 06:01AM

fun loving criminal wrote: »

Yet there are medical professionals giving injections without aspirating. I'll embarrass myself and be safe and alive.

I'm sure they'll ignore the advise of all regulatory bodies once you explain that you've watched a YouTube video and therefore know more about best medical practice than they do.

civdef · 01-07-2021 07:26AM

fun loving criminal wrote: »

Yet there are medical professionals giving injections without aspirating. I'll embarrass myself and be safe and alive.

Those would be the medical professionals following current protocols rather than using an outdated non evidence based practice.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/hcpinfo/conference/evidencebasedimmunisation.pdf

xboxdad · 01-07-2021 07:47AM

lucernarian wrote: »

More than 5 times more cases than that scenario, despite the huge numbers of both previously infected and single or fully dosed people already? Which will increase too? RTE commissioned some modelling a couple of weeks ago, and they estimated total community immunity to be at like 43% at the time. That is a HUGE amount of people and dramatically changes the outlook and modelling parameters.

43% immune leaves 57% unprotected, that's a lot of ppl to infect.

40-60% more transmissible virus doesn't mean 40-60% more infected ppl. That means 40-60% more infected ppl at each "step", e.g. the increase is exponential which will skyrocket in just a few steps.

TheDoctor · 01-07-2021 07:59AM

Apogee wrote: »

Normal service has resumed...

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-29-june-2021.pdf

Oh updated daily stats, how I’ve missed you

Pat_bottom · 01-07-2021 08:03AM

Mc-BigE wrote: »

Dose 2 Pfizer appointment text 2 days ago.

then, got a updated text yesterday from the HSE to answer online questions, i logged in, answered no to 2 questions (do/did you have covid-19 / blood clots)

and now my appointment is cancelled :mad:

i have to wait for a new appointment

I rang them this morning, they cant do anything, its already being cancelled

im not happy

Just go along with your text anyway and play dumb. Don't even mention online. I got my first appointment and did the same as you and it cancelled. I turned up at the vax center and just showed them my text they couldn't find me but they found my details on system and gave it to me anyway.

theintern · 01-07-2021 08:26AM

amandstu wrote: »

When does the Covid App come back properly?

I've just checked the Geohive API, it's not updated yet, I'm not sure, but I'd assume that's what the Covid app was using too.

Once that's back the normal flow of stats should hopefully resume.

zebastein · 01-07-2021 09:46AM

Is there any good reason why we are lagging so much behind the other European countries ?
- Belgium has 60.8 % of population with 1dose
- Denmark 56.6%
- Italy 55.58
- Germany 53.6
- Spain 53.5
- And we are under 50% with France, but France has opened the vaccine to everyone a month ago and it's just the uptake which is not great there.

Why is it so hard to get vaccinated in Ireland ?

Edit: We were told that Ireland has received several batches of 300k doses and that supplies are not an issue anymore. Yet we still have 2 days in a row below 40k doses per day. These are number we were already able to give end of April, where is the ramp up ?

seamus · 01-07-2021 10:01AM

zebastein wrote: »

Is there any good reason why we are lagging so much behind the other European countries ?
- Belgium has 60.8 % of population with 1dose
- Denmark 56.6%
- Italy 55.58
- Germany 53.6
- Spain 53.5
- And we are under 50% with France, but France has opened the vaccine to everyone a month ago and it's just the uptake which is not great there.

Why is it so hard to get vaccinated in Ireland ?

Edit: We were told that Ireland has received several batches of 300k doses and that supplies are not an issue anymore. Yet we still have 2 days in a row below 40k doses per day. These are number we were already able to give end of April, where is the ramp up ?

I'm not sure where you're getting your data from but according to the ECDC, we're in seventh place in terms of doses administered per 100 inhabitants.
The only country in your list above who has administered more than we have, is Belgium.

There will be regional differences in terms of proportion of single doses versus full vaccinations, due to differences in how countries schedule their gaps.

Belgium, for example, is ahead of us on first doses (72% -v- 66%), but behind us on full vaccinations (42.3% -v- 43.4%), despite having administered more doses in total.

Despite the wailing and the delays in some areas, it is not hard to get a vaccine in Ireland. Or at least not any harder than anywhere else.

Skygord · 01-07-2021 10:07AM

Strazdas wrote: »

I'd have my suspicions the Govt simply didn't want international travel to start tomorrow and deliberately delayed the launch of the cert by two or three weeks.

Policy has been clear for a long time - no non-essential foreign travel till 19 July at the earliest.

zebastein · 01-07-2021 10:09AM

seamus wrote: »

I'm not sure where you're getting your data from but according to the ECDC, we're in seventh place in terms of doses administered per 100 inhabitants.
The only country in your list above who has administered more than we have, is Belgium.

There will be regional differences in terms of proportion of single doses versus full vaccinations, due to differences in how countries schedule their gaps.

Belgium, for example, is ahead of us on first doses (72% -v- 66%), but behind us on full vaccinations (42.3% -v- 43.4%), despite having administered more doses in total.

Despite the wailing and the delays in some areas, it is not hard to get a vaccine in Ireland. Or at least not any harder than anywhere else.

I am taking the Irish numbers from the screenshot above: 4.9millions inhabitants, so we have below 50% first doses and 32.5% second doses.

And for other countries I take the data from https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
It shows Germany and Italy having 36/37% fully vaccinated for example.

theintern · 01-07-2021 10:11AM

zebastein wrote: »

Is there any good reason why we are lagging so much behind the other European countries ?
- Belgium has 60.8 % of population with 1dose
- Denmark 56.6%
- Italy 55.58
- Germany 53.6
- Spain 53.5
- And we are under 50% with France, but France has opened the vaccine to everyone a month ago and it's just the uptake which is not great there.

Why is it so hard to get vaccinated in Ireland ?

Edit: We were told that Ireland has received several batches of 300k doses and that supplies are not an issue anymore. Yet we still have 2 days in a row below 40k doses per day. These are number we were already able to give end of April, where is the ramp up ?

At the end of April, our rates on Saturdays and Sundays were;
- 25k & 12k (24th & 25th)
- 19k & 12k (1st & 2nd May)

These last numbers have us giving 37k & 38k on the latest Saturday and Sunday.

The last week we have detailed stats for (3rd to 9th May) was 244,103 doses which was a massive record week at the time, by about 38k doses. Last week was 351,254 doses. If that doesn't look like a ramp up, I'm not sure what to tell you.

If they can keep giving out doses at a rate of about 9% of the entire 16+ population each week (3,909,809) then I'm pretty satisfied with that.

Pablo Escobar · 01-07-2021 10:18AM

zebastein wrote: »

I am taking the Irish numbers from the screenshot above: 4.9millions inhabitants, so we have below 50% first doses and 32.5% second doses.

And for other countries I take the data from https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
It shows Germany and Italy having 36/37% fully vaccinated for example.

It actually shows Italy on 31% and their data is a day ahead of ours. This is splitting hairs. Germany do appear to be ahead though. But it's a few days. We'll get there.

zebastein · 01-07-2021 10:24AM

theintern wrote: »

At the end of April, our rates on Saturdays and Sundays were;
- 25k & 12k (24th & 25th)
- 19k & 12k (1st & 2nd May)

These last numbers have us giving 37k & 38k on the latest Saturday and Sunday.

The last week we have detailed stats for (3rd to 9th May) was 244,103 doses which was a massive record week at the time, by about 38k doses. Last week was 351,254 doses. If that doesn't look like a ramp up, I'm not sure what to tell you.

If they can keep giving out doses at a rate of about 9% of the entire 16+ population each week (3,909,809) then I'm pretty satisfied with that.

I forgot I was on boards.ie and people jump on the occasion to pretend they don't understand the message. I was obviously talking about the "expected ramp up".
The plan was to double the roll out and reach 450k doses per week by the end of June (so +100% increase in 2months). Your message is that you are satisfied with a ramp up which is a 43% increase, so half of the plan. Good for you.

I appreciate that we did not get all the J&J that we were promised, but anyway we are not even using what we have. Hence my question: why are other countries managing to ramp up as expected (numbers above) ?

fun loving criminal · 01-07-2021 10:31AM

ceegee wrote: »

I'm sure they'll ignore the advise of all regulatory bodies once you explain that you've watched a YouTube video and therefore know more about best medical practice than they do.

Vets aspirate when giving injections into the muscle. I'm surprised it's not being done to humans.

seamus · 01-07-2021 10:31AM

zebastein wrote: »

I am taking the Irish numbers from the screenshot above: 4.9millions inhabitants, so we have below 50% first doses and 32.5% second doses.

And for other countries I take the data from https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
It shows Germany and Italy having 36/37% fully vaccinated for example.

I'd go straight to the source:
https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html

Either way, like I say there are regional differences. 20.5% of our population is under 18.

In Italy, 15% of the population is under 18. In Germany, 15.5%.

This is why comparisons between countries on whole-population figures are misleading. The correct comparison is between the eligible populations.

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