Dublin Bay South By-Election

iffandonlyif wrote: »

I don’t believe you for a second! If people were to read this thread they’d think presentation of sods was some sort of D4 mafia ritual.

So, they hatched this plan in the knowledge of the out-of-towners in the constituency, oblivious to the collateral damage?

They just wanted one of their own back in - legal family, Gonzaga, supreme court judge's grandson etc. etc. Someone with the same pedigree as Eoghan Murphy.

Groan. The people you’re referring to don’t call their mothers mammy or mam. That comes from the same place as your delusional prejudice.

It shouldn't really matter how they address their parents (but it does).!

blanch152 wrote: »

Well, I wouldn't say dumb people vote for Sinn Fein, but any of the analyses show that the more educated you are, the less likely you are to vote for Sinn Fein, and vice versa. That is pretty much an established fact.

Have you got something against people who can't speak? What's next, people who can't hear?

Regards...jmcc

It'll be interesting to see how transfer friendly Bacik is. Her strident feminist views and antics at TCD may put some people off and I'm not sure she is "working class" enough to get the SF / PBP vote.

jm08 wrote: »

They just wanted one of their own back in - legal family, Gonzaga, supreme court judge's grandson etc. etc. Someone with the same pedigree as Eoghan Murphy.

Since the 1992 election, FG have run five candidates in DSE/DBS.

Frances Fitzgerald attended Sion Hill.
Colm Mac Eochaidh attended Colaiste Eoin.
Joe Doyle attended CBS Westland Row.
Lucinda Creighton attended her local state school in Mayo.

Only Eoghan Murphy attended a private school. Is it your belief that their lust to see 'one of their own' elected went dormant for twenty years before returning with a vengeance?!

jackboy wrote: »

FG and FG don’t have significantly different policies. Irrelevant which of them are in power.

Other than FFG and SF there are no other large parties in Ireland.

Patently wrong. If you can't see the difference, your politics are extreme.

The size of the parties is irrelevant. Together they are sufficiently large as to prevent FG ever leading a government by itself. You really must brush up on your political science.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Did Lynn Boylan not live off Baggot Street up until fairly recently? I always thought she did, becuase I saw her in Tesco and there was always a VOTE BOYLAN car squatting in a space on Pembroke Road.

In any case, this talk of parachuting is a nonsense. People seem to complain about the parish pump until it comes to urban constituencies. If someone asked about a candidate living in Roscrea vs Birr, people would probably dismiss it as provincialism (rightly so).

I wouldn't vote SF in a month of Sundays, but who cares where a TD lives?

We probably need more parachutes.

she gave a Clondalkin address in 2014 https://www.europarl.europa.eu/ireland/resource/static/files/Elections%202014/dublin_poll_notice.pdf she used Parnell Square in 2019 https://dublincountyreturningofficer.com/index.php/euro-local-elections-2019/65-notice-of-poll-euro-2019 and himself gives the same Clondalkin address in 2020 https://dublincountyreturningofficer.com/index.php/8-general-information/94-nominated-candidates-2020-dublin-mid-west so I would say no she didn't live in Baggot street recently

athlone573 wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see how transfer friendly Bacik is. Her strident feminist views and antics at TCD may put some people off and I'm not sure she is "working class" enough to get the SF / PBP vote.

Given the success of the Repeal and Marriage Equality campaigns, her strident feminist views are in line with much of the DBS electorate. Her 'antics' at TCD seem to keep getting her elected in the Seanad there.

So yeah, she will put some people off, as will any politician.

...Ghost... wrote: »

Could be that half his constituents are women and he wanted an input on the issue. He wouldn't be the first man to work for the betterment of women. The real issue is that he was blocked from going simply because he is a man.

Yeah, Mattie has rarely shut up about the rights of women prisoners in all his years in the Dail. :D:D:D

Would you like to come up with any evidence that 'he was blocked'?

...Ghost... wrote: »

Ivana does this type of thing all the time, but not on that level. It's mainly college appearances for women only attendees. Males are often not welcome where she happens to be involved.

Can you give any specific examples of 'this kind of thing' that she does 'all the time' please?

...Ghost... wrote: »

She did make the points you suggested, but she did also advocate for the closure of womens prisons and she blamed any womens violence on men. I was pretty hacked off at the time because it was in an article directly quoting her. Her argument about children being taken by the state was a stretch. Her other comments on the subject were plainly sexist and held women unaccountable for their actions.

COuld you produce the article please, because that's not what's in the Irish Times article.

jm08 wrote: »

He wasn't invited.

That's the point. He was not only invited, he was told he was not allowed to attend because he is a man. Glad we have established that as fact now.

I would not know about that. I only read about her contributions in the Seanad etc.

And we wouldn't have heard about the one above had Mattie (assuming it was Mattie) made a fuss about it. And who do you suppose footed the bill? I can tell you it wasn't Ivana and it wasn't the Labour party.

Well, lets look at who commit what crimes.

Homicides: Female 2; Male 34.
sexual offences: Female: 2; Male 185.


Can you see where this is going yet? If you don't: Men commit far more serious crimes than women. The prison population ratio is 6:1 (Male: Female).

All you have shown here is that more men went to prison. Again, that's what I have been saying. I spent 2 days last year in court in court as a witness to an assault. Most of those facing the judge were men and were given fines, or custodial sentences. The best case scenario was an extension given to a man who didn't pay a previous fine.

Now, about 25-30% were women. There were a good few theft and burglary cases. A couple of assaults including an assault on a Gard and a woman who had no fewer than 130 previous convictions with the most recent ones being for driving with no tax, insurance, nct on a suspended license. The Gard assault one and the one with 130+ convictions were convicted, but not a single fine, or minute in prison was issued.

Can you provide me with any evidence of women getting lighter sentences for the same crimes?

Google "gender sentencing disparity" and you'll find a whole heap of results. I'm genuinely surprised you asked for a link and I think you must be taking the micky. Here's a short 2019 paper on the issue from just across the water => https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337844261_Sentencing_Gender_Investigating_the_Presence_of_Gender_Disparities_in_Crown_Court_Sentences

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Yeah, Mattie has rarely shut up about the rights of women prisoners in all his years in the Dail. :D:D:D

Does it matter? A TD was denied the opportunity to attend based on gender and gender alone.

Would you like to come up with any evidence that 'he was blocked'?

Not really. I think most people already know about it, but some people have a habit of requiring links for everything they don't agree with. I've already shown you that stuff has been deleted. You can make up your own mind on that one.

Can you give any specific examples of 'this kind of thing' that she does 'all the time' please?

She regularly attends schools and colleges around the country and I have yet to hear about one where she doesn't exclude the males. https://www.facebook.com/AlexCollDublin/videos/women-in-leadership-ivana-bacik/488204398048415/

She thought Noreen O'Sullivan was great LOL.

Now, you find me one where it's not all females.

COuld you produce the article please, because that's not what's in the Irish Times article.

It was on the Labour party website....but uh, oh, why is it gone now? Try the link for yourself.

It's not really innuendo it was well reported at the time but as I said it's old news now.

...Ghost... wrote: »

Does it matter? A TD was denied the opportunity to attend based on gender and gender alone.

Was he really? Have we any actual reports or evidence of this?

...Ghost... wrote: »

Not really. I think most people already know about it, but some people have a habit of requiring links for everything they don't agree with. I've already shown you that stuff has been deleted. You can make up your own mind on that one.

That's the problem with showing deleted stuff - it's not there to show. You've shown nothing, just spread a few vague rumours.

...Ghost... wrote: »

She regularly attends schools and colleges around the country and I have yet to hear about one where she doesn't exclude the males. https://www.facebook.com/AlexCollDublin/videos/women-in-leadership-ivana-bacik/488204398048415/

Now, you find me one where it's not all females.

Eh, it's an all-girls school. They didn't refuse access for males. There are no male students in the school - her old school, I think.

Hard to see any conspiracy here. In general, when people make claims of something happening 'all the time', they should be able to produce evidence fairly easily. It's not up to me to prove wrong.

But anyway, there does seem to be a few males in the room in this one;

...Ghost... wrote: »

It was on the Labour party website....but uh, oh, why is it gone now? Try the link for yourself.

Why is it gone? Probably because political parties update their websites all the time, and don't keep content from ten or twenty years ago. But do feel free to go back through the Wayback Machine to find evidence of whatever you're claiming.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So find the report from the time.

Newspaper archives DO go back 20 years or more, so it should be easy for you to find the details you need, if they ever existed.

From the mouth of the horse :

http://www.universitytimes.ie/2017/10/amidst-ascough-controversy-a-look-back-at-student-impeachments/

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Really? A 30 year old student politics tiff?

I heard she dropped a Cadbury's wrapper one day while running for the bus home from 6th class.

Honestly, who keeps a grudge for 30 years over student politics?

Trust and credibility go a long way, ask Brian Lenihan.

jm08 wrote: »

From that article in the IT, it seems it was an international conference on female prisoners human rights. I have no idea why Mattie McGrath would want to go to that

There are only two women's prisoners in Ireland (Women's wing in Limerick Prison and the Dochas Centre in Mountjoy). It seems they are very short of facilities and are overcroweded anyway (I saw a quote where Mountjoy has a capacity for 105 women with about 140 women houses there). And according to this article, 95% of crimes committed by women are petty.
https://www.thejournal.ie/women-prison-ireland-petty-crime-4596708-Apr2019/


Here is a breakdown of offences committed by prisoners in 2019.
https://imgur.com/a/kW7OGRE

Those are even more stark statistics than I would have expected.