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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #6242
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    seamus wrote: »
    Imagine being this wrong.
    Really? Lets have a quick look then. Here is what I said: "you think it is no big deal that business are closed and that people should just suck it up. You also think that kids will be grand and haven't really been affected by the past year".

    And here are your own words:
    seamus wrote: »
    The imposition of pods, distancing and masks in school has had very little impact on kids.
    seamus wrote: »
    It's no biggie. The measures have had no major impact on kids at primary level anyway, and the secondary kids don't seem too fussed either.
    seamus wrote: »
    NPHET's focus is public health, not business. It's a pandemic, collateral damage to business is unavoidable. Keeping business afloat shouldn't come before public health.

    I'm not unsympathetic, but there's fvck all point dwelling on it. We can rebuild when this is over. You can restart businesses, you can't make people undead.
    seamus wrote: »
    Nobody's going to die if you miss your flight tomorrow and you have to rebook. I know I'm sounding glib, but this is a pandemic. You have to just suck these things up and deal with it until this is over.

    No, I wasn't wrong.


  • #6243
    Avon8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Avon8


    seamus wrote: »
    Gotta say, outside of boards I'm not seeing a particularly large thirst for opening casual indoor stuff. Weddings & events, yes, training, etc.

    But just rocking up to a pub/restaurant and sitting inside? Not really.

    You ignored my question last time so i'll ask again, what's your sample size on this? Again i'll reiterate in my case ive been out about a dozen times since reopening with a range of people I hadn't seen in ages, and without fail every single time it gets below about 15 degrees, or the wind starts whipping up, people are itching to be indoors. At that point someone's house that's relatively handy nearby starts being mentioned.

    I don't see how anyone with even a passing presence on social media wouldn't have seen the clamour for indoor recently either. And bear in mind we've been pox lucky with the weather recently. Wait until there's widespread wind/rain on a Friday and Saturday night and that desire will be expressed ten-fold


  • #6244
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    marno21 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1409452037541085186?s=21

    Sam McConkey “must be very thirsty”.

    Leo V could learn a thing or 2 about mood sensing from this chap lately


  • #6245
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Avon8 wrote: »
    You ignored my question last time so i'll ask again, what's your sample size on this? Again i'll reiterate in my case ive been out about a dozen times since reopening with a range of people I hadn't seen in ages, and without fail every single time it gets below about 15 degrees, or the wind starts whipping up, people are itching to be indoors. At that point someone's house that's relatively handy nearby starts being mentioned.

    I don't see how anyone with even a passing presence on social media wouldn't have seen the clamour for indoor recently either. And bear in mind we've been pox lucky with the weather recently. Wait until there's widespread wind/rain on a Friday and Saturday night and that desire will be expressed ten-fold


    Time to issue the patented Covid drinking suit.


  • #6246
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,305 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Avon8 wrote: »
    You ignored my question last time so i'll ask again, what's your sample size on this? Again i'll reiterate in my case ive been out about a dozen times since reopening with a range of people I hadn't seen in ages, and without fail every single time it gets below about 15 degrees, or the wind starts whipping up, people are itching to be indoors. At that point someone's house that's relatively handy nearby starts being mentioned.

    I don't see how anyone with even a passing presence on social media wouldn't have seen the clamour for indoor recently either. And bear in mind we've been pox lucky with the weather recently. Wait until there's widespread wind/rain on a Friday and Saturday night and that desire will be expressed ten-fold

    Am I missing something? Where did you ask the question previously?


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  • #6247
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Leo V could learn a thing or 2 about mood sensing from this chap lately

    I actually think Leo got that , MM is oblivious to the mood out there


  • #6248
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You would have to laugh when you hear things like "We want to avoid a situation were it is start/stop".

    In Ireland that basically means you don't have to stop if you never start. Or, stay in lockdown so we don't need another lockdown.


  • #6249
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If they're pissing themselves over a virus with such a low mortality rate...wait til they get a load of this doozy coming down the tracks.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30921958.html

    And not one Pharma company is bothered researching new antibiotics because they cure the issue in two weeks. too much money in statins, antidepressants and bloody pain killers... oh and annual Vaccines!! the last throw of the dice for them.


  • #6250
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    NPET will advise indefinite time for opening on the potential rise of delta, slap in the face for millions vaccinated.
    I did hear Leo say the indefinite word on lunch time


  • #6251
    TefalBrain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    agoodpunt wrote: »
    NPET will advise indefinite time for opening on the potential rise of delta, slap in the face for millions vaccinated.
    I did hear Leo say the indefinite word on lunch time

    Was always the plan to not open up imo. They are just stringing people along.

    Can't wait until my holiday in Spain and France in August and leave this kip in my rear view mirror for a few weeks.


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  • #6252
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You would have to laugh when you hear things like "We want to avoid a situation were it is start/stop".

    In Ireland that basically means you don't have to stop if you never start. Or, stay in lockdown so we don't need another lockdown.

    Its meaningless waffle anyway. Say Ireland did delay another month under the guise of making sure it didn't have to lock down again later, does anybody really believe that it would actually play out that way?

    If they delayed a month, reopened, then there was a rise of cases at winter or when schools reopened they would absolutely shut down again and conveniently ignore the previous "no stop/start" justification. It would never be mentioned in the media and their shills would drown out anybody trying to remind them of their previous promises.

    Stay in lockdown to avoid lockdown, its crazy that some people actually believe that ****e and try to defend it.


  • #6253
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    seamus wrote: »
    What I've been thinking all weekend and what I'm still leaning towards is that indoor will open, but the official guidelines will advise that only fully vaccinated people should be seated indoors, until the end of July at least. Which is a honour system solution; businesses will be obliged to ask, but have no ability to verify. But it's very typical of the way we've been doing things. People will just be trusted to make the right decision.

    Sorry had to highlight this part as this is the opposite of what we've been doing. Were told not to use masks as we'd be too stupid to wear them properly. Told not to use antigen tests as we'll use them wrong too e.g. We'll use a negative result to justify going to a house party rather than I need to go to into the office tomorrow, without antigen test I'll go but if I'd taken an antigen test and tested positive I won't go. Policed to stay within 5km of home.

    Don't know where you've gotten the impression that they've trusted people to do the right things.


  • #6254
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Now up to 36.5% fully vaccinated in the 60-69 cohort, according to the ECDC website:

    https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#age-group-tab


  • #6255
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think these two things can be true:

    Outdoor dining has been very popular and most places are booked out

    People still absolutely want indoor dining to open, and businesses need it. Part of the reason everything is booked out is because overall capacity in Dublin for example has to be well below 50% right now with indoors closed.


  • #6256
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,080 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    AdamD wrote: »
    I think these two ttdoorhings can be true:

    Outdoor dining has been very popular and most places are booked out

    People still absolutely want indoor dining to open, and businesses need it. Part of the reason everything is booked out is because overall capacity in Dublin for example has to be well below 50% right now with indoors closed.


    Very possible but even with outdoor and indoor open with the expected restrictions like distance etc i don't think there's many places that will be able to offer the same numbers that would have been their previous full 100% capacity prior to the pandemic, so i think we still might see things booked out for some time.


  • #6257
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Klonker wrote: »
    Don't know where you've gotten the impression that they've trusted people to do the right things.
    Most of our rules have been without enforcement.

    You can exercise for 30 minutes within 2km, 5km, 10km, but we're not really going to check if you're exercising or just arsing about, we're trusting you to do this.

    If you test positive, stay at home and don't go anywhere. We won't check, so please don't.

    If you arrive in from overseas, please go to the address you gave us and stay there. Please.

    Don't have more than X households inside your house or in your garden. Please.

    You must only go to essential retailers for essential items. Please.

    When you go to a restaurant it cannot be more than two households. We can't enforce this, we're trusting you to do this.

    Compared to most other countries, our restrictions have very much been self-policing. No curfews, no complete lockdown, no tokens to go shopping, no tests required to access stores.


  • #6258
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines may provide lifetime protection against COVID-19, a new study suggests.

    Researchers found that people who received either of the two-dose shots, which use new messenger RNA (mRNA) technology, had strong and 'persistent' immune responses.

    What's more, the vaccines produced high levels of neutralizing antibodies against two variants of the virus.

    This could mean that Pfizer and Moderna recipients could have long-lasting immunity - for years or potentially the rest of their lives - and may not even need boosters, reported first by The New York Times.

    'It's a good sign for how durable our immunity is from this vaccine,' lead author Dr Ali Ellebedy, an immunologist at Washington University in St Louis told the newspaper.


  • #6259
    gral6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭gral6


    seamus wrote: »
    Most of our rules have been without enforcement.

    You can exercise for 30 minutes within 2km, 5km, 10km, but we're not really going to check if you're exercising or just arsing about, we're trusting you to do this.

    If you test positive, stay at home and don't go anywhere. We won't check, so please don't.

    If you arrive in from overseas, please go to the address you gave us and stay there. Please.

    Don't have more than X households inside your house or in your garden. Please.

    You must only go to essential retailers for essential items. Please.

    When you go to a restaurant it cannot be more than two households. We can't enforce this, we're trusting you to do this.

    Compared to most other countries, our restrictions have very much been self-policing. No curfews, no complete lockdown, no tokens to go shopping, no tests required to access stores.


    ...and still we are only country in EU with no indoor dining and with MHQ even for our own citizens.


  • #6260
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines may provide lifetime protection against COVID-19, a new study suggests.

    Researchers found that people who received either of the two-dose shots, which use new messenger RNA (mRNA) technology, had strong and 'persistent' immune responses.

    What's more, the vaccines produced high levels of neutralizing antibodies against two variants of the virus.

    This could mean that Pfizer and Moderna recipients could have long-lasting immunity - for years or potentially the rest of their lives - and may not even need boosters, reported first by The New York Times.

    'It's a good sign for how durable our immunity is from this vaccine,' lead author Dr Ali Ellebedy, an immunologist at Washington University in St Louis told the newspaper.

    Bit of a nightmare if you just signed an agreement a couple of months ago for 1.8 Billion booster shots at 30 Euro a pop.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #6261
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Bit of a nightmare if you just signed an agreement a couple of months ago for 1.8 Billion booster shots at 30 Euro a pop.

    Not sure about the inns and outs of that deal or price you quoted. You hate the EU so its just a dig let's be honest. Your beloved UK has bought more too. A good chunk of those will go on those who got AstraZeneca anyway. Plus the study I quoted only had 14 participants and nothing is conclusive , it says suggests. So don't get too excited just yet.


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  • #6262
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Not sure about the inns and outs of that deal or price you quoted. You hate the EU so its just a dig let's be honest. Your beloved UK has bought more too. A good chunk of those will go on those who got AstraZeneca anyway. Plus the study I quoted only had 14 participants and nothing is conclusive , it says suggests. So don't get too excited just yet.

    You have to admit it's funny though. They order late for the first tranche of vaccines and then order too early for the boosters. Easy to see how the German army ended up with broomsticks instead of rifles.

    Never laughed so much :D:D

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #6263
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    brickster69 wrote: »
    You have to admit it's funny though. They order late for the first tranche of vaccines and then order too early for the boosters. Easy to see how the German army ended up with broomsticks instead of rifles.

    Never laughed so much :D:D

    Yous could have done with some of those broomsticks when yous fled Dunkirk with your tails between your legs.


  • #6264
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Bit of a nightmare if you just signed an agreement a couple of months ago for 1.8 Billion booster shots at 30 Euro a pop.
    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Not sure about the inns and outs of that deal or price you quoted. You hate the EU so its just a dig let's be honest. Your beloved UK has bought more too. A good chunk of those will go on those who got AstraZeneca anyway. Plus the study I quoted only had 14 participants and nothing is conclusive , it says suggests. So don't get too excited just yet.

    They purchased capacity. EU countries are free to take up that option for themselves, but they can also resell on the doses etc... So nothing will go to waste, unless countries worldwide stop using Pfizer.


  • #6265
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    They purchased capacity. EU countries are free to take up that option for themselves, but they can also resell on the doses etc... So nothing will go to waste, unless countries worldwide stop using Pfizer.

    Who is going to buy 1.8 billion vaccines at 30 euro a pop when they can get a good one for 3 euro and a one dose one for 7 euro :D

    They will be on ebay soon enough.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #6266
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Do you lads reckon we will see big wedding again any time soon ,
    Even by next summer its not looking likely is it considering you can't even have a meal indoors this one by yourself ,


  • #6267
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines may provide lifetime protection against COVID-19, a new study suggests.

    Researchers found that people who received either of the two-dose shots, which use new messenger RNA (mRNA) technology, had strong and 'persistent' immune responses.

    What's more, the vaccines produced high levels of neutralizing antibodies against two variants of the virus.

    This could mean that Pfizer and Moderna recipients could have long-lasting immunity - for years or potentially the rest of their lives - and may not even need boosters, reported first by The New York Times.

    'It's a good sign for how durable our immunity is from this vaccine,' lead author Dr Ali Ellebedy, an immunologist at Washington University in St Louis told the newspaper.

    Is there a link anywhere for that study

    Shin


  • #6268
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-debt-will-be-close-to-quarter-of-trillion-by-year-end-donohoe-warns-1.4605860?mode=amp

    Like a number I'd say as child that I thought didn't even exist

    Can be rolled over
    Negative interest rates

    Nothing to see here


  • #6269
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    shinzon wrote: »
    Is there a link anywhere for that study

    Shin

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/06/28/world/covid-vaccine-coronavirus-mask


  • #6270
    SortingYouOut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    shinzon wrote: »
    Is there a link anywhere for that study

    Shin

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03738-2

    Potential long-term protection, especially if you've contracted the virus in the past and then received two shots of the mRNA vaccine. They do say that those with weakened immune systems and the elderly may still need boosters and this is all depending on no major change to the virus make up through mutation.

    Beverly Hills, California



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  • #6271
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Any word on hospital numbers today?


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