Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

robinbird · 27-06-2021 11:12AM

thebaz wrote: »

Well give them the choice - not everyone is going to travel - we are told Delta variant is much more dangerous for everyone - and AZ offers protection , if we have an extra stockpile give people a choice at the very least. Can we be so selective, when we are told we are still in a dangerous pandemic that is closing of much of the country.

Point is we already have enough Pfizer/Moderna in stock for everyone left.
We are constrained by capacity to deliver it.
The AZ story is an attempt to deflect attention from this. Hopefully with 300 pharmacies now administering Pfizer in addition to GPs and MVCs we can reduce the stockpiles within a few weeks.

Graham · 27-06-2021 11:16AM

robinbird wrote: »

Point is we already have enough Pfizer/Moderna in stock for everyone left.
We are constrained by capacity to deliver it.

Where are you getting capacity constraints from?

Where are you getting your stock figures for Pfizer/Moderna?

stephenjmcd · 27-06-2021 11:22AM

Graham wrote: »

Where are you getting capacity constraints from?

Where are you getting your stock figures for Pfizer/Moderna?

Ah don't waste your time, comes on once a week, throws out the same argument, the same stats, gets challenged on them and goes away for another week, rinse and repeat.

Unfortunately the ignore facility doesn't filter out when someone is quoted...

hollypink · 27-06-2021 11:33AM

Has anyone else got this message on the vaccine portal? I got my first jab two weeks ago and last time I logged in it said "waiting for second appointment" or something like that.

I logged in today just out of curiosity and it says

You cannot request another appointment using the online system.
Please call the COVID-19 helpline on 1850 24 1850 if you want to continue your vaccination process.

I'll ring the helpline later but feeling a bit anxious now that something happened my record on the system.

embraer170 · 27-06-2021 11:36AM

revelman wrote: »

In Germany, one of of the most safety-conscious and rule-bound places in the world, everyone over 18 has had the opportunity to get any EMA-approved vaccine as long as they have given informed consent I know of people in their 20s and 30s who took AZ because they didn’t want to be waiting for the MRNA

I 100% agree re the vaccines. As for a Germany being safety-conscious and rule-bound, I actually find it less so than places like Ireland and the U.K.

There is great emphasis that what you are doing does not disturb others (wrong parking, noisy parties, etc.) but there is also a big importance placed on respecting individual freedom, which is why no large scale domestic travel restrictions were really introduced during COVID (and those that were were heavily challenged in the courts).

There’s definitely less paranoia about safety too, with less of court compensation culture.

TheDoctor · 27-06-2021 11:37AM

Happy (maybe) 4 millionth dose day

Happydays2020 · 27-06-2021 11:47AM

Has anyone being able to ring and get a 2nd dose a day ahead of schedule? I have to travel within Ireland for work for the following 5 days so was hoping to get in a day earlier.

josip · 27-06-2021 02:18PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Has anyone being able to ring and get a 2nd dose a day ahead of schedule? I have to travel within Ireland for work for the following 5 days so was hoping to get in a day earlier.

You're probably better off getting it after the 5 days and not before.

You'll get a stronger immune response.

Beanybabog · 27-06-2021 02:39PM

I was talking to someone I know working in pharmacy who has J&J. Said they have no one to vaccinate as most of the 50+ have been done, can’t open the vials until there 5/6 people booked in as they can’t waste it, people have booked and not come, and lots of young people keep asking for it but they’re not allowed give it to them. They’ve administered it to only 5 people

political analyst · 27-06-2021 03:26PM

I heard last weekend that the HSE would be able to resume giving vaccination statistics by the end of this week. So where are the statistics?

Happydays2020 · 27-06-2021 04:15PM

josip wrote: »

You're probably better off getting it after the 5 days and not before.

You'll get a stronger immune response.

Ok. my understanding was the recommended 2nd dose should be between day 21 and day 28.

Tyrone212 · 27-06-2021 04:16PM

I wonder will the portal be opened soon for the next age group.

duffman13 · 27-06-2021 04:19PM

Beanybabog wrote: »

I was talking to someone I know working in pharmacy who has J&J. Said they have no one to vaccinate as most of the 50+ have been done, can’t open the vials until there 5/6 people booked in as they can’t waste it, people have booked and not come, and lots of young people keep asking for it but they’re not allowed give it to them. They’ve administered it to only 5 people

It's a bit of a disaster but a circular went around to say that there is expected to be wastage given the logistical difficulties of getting 5 of this cohort signed up in one go. Basically use it, and it won't be given to other cohorts. It's frustrating for all involved. One pharmacy I know put in a huge effort and used all 50 doses in a week. Told no more available and they won't be getting Pfizer despite having capacity to do 250 a week so they are effectively finished after a week of chasing patients

baldbear · 27-06-2021 04:19PM

Got my date for the jab. Tuesday. Age 39 in Dublin.

Skygord · 27-06-2021 04:56PM

Any idea whether those people vaccinated directly by the company Pfizer are included in our vaccination stats?

What about those who got vaccinated in Northern Ireland?

27-06-2021 04:57PM

baldbear wrote: »

Got my date for the jab. Tuesday. Age 39 in Dublin.

Which centre?

Tenger · 27-06-2021 05:14PM

Skygord wrote: »

Any idea whether those people vaccinated directly by the company Pfizer are included in our vaccination stats?

What about those who got vaccinated in Northern Ireland?

I cant seeing the Pfizer staff and family group being a massive number.
10,000 maybe? (I’m assuming They have about 3000 staff)

As for those vaccinated in the North, they will be recorded in the figures from N.I.

Similarly I know of 3 people who live here but are US citizens or green card holders. They flew to the USA to get their vaccine and returned home a month later. They won’t be counted in Irish figures.

Skygord · 27-06-2021 05:28PM

Tenger wrote: »

I cant seeing the Pfizer staff and family group being a massive number.
10,000 maybe? (I’m assuming They have about 3000 staff)

As for those vaccinated in the North, they will be recorded in the figures from N.I.

Similarly I know of 3 people who live here but are US citizens or green card holders. They flew to the USA to get their vaccine and returned home a month later. They won’t be counted in Irish figures.

Well, shame we don't have the data, but nice to know the reality of ROI vaccination numbers is at least a 'bit' higher than the published HSE records.

Perhaps when the Digital Covid Cert is introduced, we'll see the true number of vaccinations in ROI - as these folks would presumably enter their vaccination data then, or it may be pulled in from other jurisdictions' systems.

baldbear · 27-06-2021 09:41PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

Which centre?

Helix

JPup · 27-06-2021 10:09PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Ok. my understanding was the recommended 2nd dose should be between day 21 and day 28.

Where did you see that? I thought manufacturer guidance was 4-6 weeks with several European extending that to 8 weeks and some even up to 12. Immune response at 12 weeks seems to be good.

But I’m far from an expert so take that with a pinch of salt.

L1011 · 27-06-2021 10:44PM

Tenger wrote: »

I cant seeing the Pfizer staff and family group being a massive number.
10,000 maybe? (I’m assuming They have about 3000 staff)

As for those vaccinated in the North, they will be recorded in the figures from N.I.

Similarly I know of 3 people who live here but are US citizens or green card holders. They flew to the USA to get their vaccine and returned home a month later. They won’t be counted in Irish figures.

There are also some workers (low hundreds probably) for US firms who went on assignment to the US and got vaccinated while there - all adds up with those groups though.

RavenBea17b · 27-06-2021 10:51PM

Probes wrote: »

It's not misleading, it's true!! It's misleading to say that it's misleading! I said I think the AZ vaccine is showing to still be very effective (which I said in the original post), but it's still half as efffective when comparing it to the Pfizer one. Nothing misleading about that.

As mentioned before, all the vaccines are doing what they were designed to do - significantly reduce and stop serious Covid effects/symptoms and stop hospital admissions overloading the systems. There are always going to be cases where people who are are fully vaccinated still get Covid. Transmission from fully and partly vaccinated individuals can still happen to those unvaccinated - but given the choice we had and continue to have.....

To people questioning one vaccine over another, 'this one is better' etc etc - I say take a look at Israel - solely used Pfizer, a MRNA vaccine - and yet Delta has them re-imposing Covid rules and regulation - this with just shy of 64% of their total population with at least one vaccination and c55% fully vaccinated total population. Delta is way different, sooo much easier transmissible. From what has been published in science papers so far, the viral load needed is less and exposure time less too. If offered a vaccine and you are able to take it, take it, then why not?

harr · 27-06-2021 11:27PM

On the Pfizer staff numbers I know a few people working in the newbridge plant and they did a lot of people , anyone related to the worker could get it done if they wanted it’s wasn’t just immediate family.
The stock was Pfizer’s own so I don’t think the numbers are included in the data base between the 3 facilities you are probably looking at big enough numbers.

VG31 · 27-06-2021 11:42PM

Strazdas wrote: »

What if no other vaccine is available? You'd be effectively saying that it is far preferable that they be be unvaccinated (in the middle of a global pandemic) than receive AZ or J & J.

For women under 40 at least, the benefit of the AZ/J&J does not outweigh the risk. It is preferable to remain unvaccinated in a pandemic if you're at less risk from the virus than the vaccine. There are other vaccines available so it's a moot point really.

Wolf359f · 27-06-2021 11:52PM

VG31 wrote: »

For women under 40 at least, the benefit of the AZ/J&J does not outweigh the risk. It is preferable to remain unvaccinated in a pandemic if you're at less risk from the virus than the vaccine. There are other vaccines available so it's a moot point really.

There was never much details released for AZ with age and sex breakdown, but for J&J the most at risk group was women aged 35-40, above and below that age the risk halved. But overall AZ the incidence rate is much higher than J&J and even more so with it being 2 jabs. Then again, AZ has proven itself vs Delta, for J&J we have no data. Certainly not a simple decision.

franciscanpunk · 27-06-2021 11:55PM

very much of the opinion just take the vaccine you are given, they all do the same job and we all need to vaccinated as soon as possible to reopen society however if AZ and JJ is approved for all ages to be distrubuted via pharmacies and I have a choice then things get a bit more interesting.

Would like to see some chart produced showing the total remaining adults to be vaccinated versus the delivery schedule

CruelSummer · 28-06-2021 12:14AM

RavenBea17b wrote: »

As mentioned before, all the vaccines are doing what they were designed to do - significantly reduce and stop serious Covid effects/symptoms and stop hospital admissions overloading the systems. There are always going to be cases where people who are are fully vaccinated still get Covid. Transmission from fully and partly vaccinated individuals can still happen to those unvaccinated - but given the choice we had and continue to have.....

To people questioning one vaccine over another, 'this one is better' etc etc - I say take a look at Israel - solely used Pfizer, a MRNA vaccine - and yet Delta has them re-imposing Covid rules and regulation - this with just shy of 64% of their total population with at least one vaccination and c55% fully vaccinated total population. Delta is way different, sooo much easier transmissible. From what has been published in science papers so far, the viral load needed is less and exposure time less too. If offered a vaccine and you are able to take it, take it, then why not?

I saw information yesterday saying all the cases of Delta in fully vaccinated Israelis are asymptomatic? Should these people be counted as cases? It’s also being used by people here to suggest the vaccines are vulnerable to Delta which is not true at all.
Israel has a bigger anti vaccine cohort than Ireland. Their vaccination numbers have stalled & thats where Delta is spreading & could cause issues.

Wolf359f · 28-06-2021 12:29AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I saw information yesterday saying all the cases of Delta in fully vaccinated Israelis are asymptomatic? Should these people be counted as cases? It’s also being used by people here to suggest the vaccines are vulnerable to Delta which is not true at all.
Israel has a bigger anti vaccine cohort than Ireland. Their vaccination numbers have stalled & thats where Delta is spreading & could cause issues.

I read an article about Israel but they couldn't give definitive numbers.
It was like:
90% of cases are Delta.
50% are in kids who are mostly unvaccinated
Half of the adult's who got infected were fully vaccinated.
Just give the absolute % ffs

US case numbers have dropped and they have roughly the same vaccinated as Israel (Delta aside) the CDC says anyone being a close contact of a confirmed case, if they are fully vaccinated and have no symptoms do not need to be tested. This could explain their low numbers.

The key goal to vaccines was to reduce deaths and serious illness, prevent disease with vanilla Covid was a bonus. Delta has changed that, and no more than ever positive cases need to be broken down between cases in unvaccinated and cases in vaccinated people. I'm wondering in Ireland, anyone being tested, do they ask if you've been vaccinated or is it cross referenced with the vaccine database?

Strazdas · 28-06-2021 01:10AM

VG31 wrote: »

For women under 40 at least, the benefit of the AZ/J&J does not outweigh the risk. It is preferable to remain unvaccinated in a pandemic if you're at less risk from the virus than the vaccine. There are other vaccines available so it's a moot point really.

I totally get that, but that doesn't factor in the risk of contracting Covid or being hospitalised with it. It's purely based on whether they are at risk of dying from the vaccine versus dying from the virus.

amandstu · 28-06-2021 03:51AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/what-is-the-delta-variant-and-how-much-does-vaccination-protect-against-it-1.4600573

"The analysis suggests the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is 94 per cent effective against hospital admission after just one dose, rising to 96 per cent after two doses"

Reading this recent article ,I wonder if there is a case for lengthening the gap between the first and second Pfizer jabs.

Now,I concede that there is (with Pfizer) a very big jump in protection rates for symptomatic disease(from 33% to 88%) but only a really quite small jump of 2% for protection against hospitalisation(from 94% to 96%)

Might it be better to give more first (Pfizer) doses quickly and get the younger cohorts in the game ?

Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

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