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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #8732
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Never, not once has the NPHET Government promised us a return to full normality without restrictions. The NPHET media have never even quized them about it. As we have seen now in Singapore, they will now treat the virus as normal.

    It doesn't seem like the NPHET Government ever want to do a Singapore. They will deny it but they are effectively going for Zero Covid and they will push for restrictions until world wide zero Covid is achieved. Which is never. Or when countries like Singapore have said they will stop recording figures.


  • #8733
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,201 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Us Irish are to stupid to be trusted with personal Responsibility

    It's a farce, open places up on the 5th and urge personal responsibility

    Let's people choose if they want this vaccine


  • #8734
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Marcusm wrote: »
    We didn’t and still don’t have doses. Will probably have 200-400k AZ doses spare from last week in July. Doubt we’ll see the J&J promised; aren’t they something like 90% unfulfilled still, ie 80k received out of nearly 700k scheduled.

    We've received 140k doses of j and j but only five out 72k

    https://twitter.com/Mark_Coughlan/status/1409137825036095498?s=19


  • #8735
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,802 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    zackory wrote: »
    What is "long covid"?

    It's a simple question.

    What is Nphets view on it please?
    zackory wrote: »
    Some shower of clowns
    zackory wrote: »
    NPHET
    NIAC
    EAG
    Cabinet Sub committee
    Cabinet

    Thats 5 off the top of my head.


    Mod

    Engage in good faith & drop the wind up style of posting.


  • #8736
    crooked cockney villain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭crooked cockney villain


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Never, not once has the NPHET Government promised us a return to full normality without restrictions. .

    This.

    The idea of Mehole setting a Freedom Day date like Boris did seems the stuff of fantasy.

    All we get is warnings about a winter wave, but nobody explaining why this would matter with everyone vulnerable having been vaccinated.


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  • #8737
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Depends where you read, some say over 80%. Anyway 71% is incredible protection. Who cares if people get it and not sick. In your opinion with 71% protection do you think restrictions should be relaxed on the 5th.

    They are the latest figures from Public Health England. And yes 71% is good protection (against hospitalisation) but that's only one dose and one aspect of the vaccine. Current scientific advice is two doses to provide maximum protection. And yes I believe people here do care if they "get it" - because those who have received Astrazeneca in this country are mainly healthcare workers, older cohorts and those who are medically vulnerable in group 7.

    Why? Because one dose does not mean you won't get sick" or won't spread the disease to others. The current data on that Astrazeneca is that it is 33% effective against symptomatic disease from B.1.617.2 three weeks after the first dose. Atm the aim is to get as many Astrazeneca second doses out as possible.

    With the rise of new variant case numbers - the UK government has decided to fully vaccinate as many people as possible as quickly as possible and have delayed step 4 of the roadmap. to prevent further infections and further spread

    You ask "In your opinion with 71% protection *(from being hospitalised) do you think restrictions should be relaxed on the 5th".

    Atm I don't have an opinion on that. I believe next week will show if the rate of infections/ spread of the Delta variant here is a significant concern


  • #8738
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Havent delved deep but impression from media today is indoor will open in some form on 5 July


  • #8739
    crooked cockney villain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭crooked cockney villain


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    Havent delved deep but impression from media today is indoor will open in some form on 5 July

    I wouldn't read too much into the waffling of a man who last Tuesday lunchtime stated July 5th would proceed irrespective of Delta and then did a 360 on it circa 12 hours later despite having been presented with absolutely no new information in the meantime.

    This, after all, is a man who spent a month touring the country vowing that people wanted FG out of power and that he would never get into bed with them, and by 1pm on election count day was already floating the possibility.


  • #8740
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    gozunda wrote: »
    They are the latest figures from Public Health England. And yes 71% is good protection but that's only one dose. Current scientific advice is two doses to provide maximum protection. And yes I believe people here do care if they "get it" - because those who have received Astrazeneca in this country are mainly healthcare workers, older cohorts and those who are medically vulnerable in group 7.

    Why? Because one dose does not mean you won't get sick" or won't spread the disease to others. The current data on that Astrazeneca is that it is 33% effective against symptomatic disease from B.1.617.2 three weeks after the first dose. Atm the aim is to get as many Astrazeneca second doses out as possible.

    With the rise of new variant case numbers - the UK government has decided to fully vaccinate as many people as possible as quickly as possible and have delayed step 4 of the roadmap. to prevent further infections and further spread

    You ask "In your opinion with 71% protection do you think restrictions should be relaxed on the 5th".

    Atm I don't have an opinion on that. I believe next week will show if the rate of infections/ spread of the Delta variant here is a significant concern

    Early days but the most concerning part with Delta is that of 117 deaths from it 50 were double vaxed and over 50 years of age.

    Obviously a lot more over 50's will of caught it and not died.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #8741
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    3,546 over 50's that had two doses caught Delta

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • #8742
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    brickster69 wrote: »
    3,546 over 50's that had two doses caught Delta

    Vaccines don’t prevent infection, they prevent serious illness. This is not news.


  • #8743
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,134 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    gozunda wrote: »
    They are the latest figures from Public Health England. And yes 71% is good protection (against hospitalisation) but that's only one dose and one aspect of the vaccine. Current scientific advice is two doses to provide maximum protection. And yes I believe people here do care if they "get it" - because those who have received Astrazeneca in this country are mainly healthcare workers, older cohorts and those who are medically vulnerable in group 7.

    Why? Because one dose does not mean you won't get sick" or won't spread the disease to others. The current data on that Astrazeneca is that it is 33% effective against symptomatic disease from B.1.617.2 three weeks after the first dose. Atm the aim is to get as many Astrazeneca second doses out as possible.

    With the rise of new variant case numbers - the UK government has decided to fully vaccinate as many people as possible as quickly as possible and have delayed step 4 of the roadmap. to prevent further infections and further spread

    You ask "In your opinion with 71% protection *(from being hospitalised) do you think restrictions should be relaxed on the 5th".

    Atm I don't have an opinion on that. I believe next week will show if the rate of infections/ spread of the Delta variant here is a significant concern

    Ah get off the fence will ya.


  • #8744
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Vaccines don’t prevent infection, they prevent serious illness. This is not news.

    They do not prevent deaths either, especially in people over 50. It is good information to pass on that people still need to be careful despite being fully vaxed.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #8745
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    gozunda wrote: »

    With the rise of new variant case numbers - the UK government has decided to fully vaccinate as many people as possible as quickly as possible and have delayed step 4 of the roadmap. to prevent further infections and further spread

    Or you could have said

    "despite rising case numbers the UK are not introducing reduction in having 140000 at the grand prix or pubs full indoors on a Saturday night with live bands"


  • #8746
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    brickster69 wrote: »
    They do not prevent deaths either, especially in people over 50. It is good information to pass on that people still need to be careful despite being fully vaxed.

    Is there a more detailed breakdown of the ages of those who died rather than just over 50?


  • #8747
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Stheno wrote: »
    Is there a more detailed breakdown of the ages of those who died rather than just over 50?

    Not sure, but those figures are from page 14. Probably the most extensive data report on Delta to date you would think, certainly in Europe anyway. Happy reading if that's your thing.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/996740/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #8748
    KanyeSouthEast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭KanyeSouthEast


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Personally would sacrifice schools reopening if it means we can open up international travel.


  • #8749
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Ah get off the fence will ya.

    Well thanks for your detailed reply. Btw you did ask a throwaway question on restrictions re 5th July - something which I hadn't touched on - and now you don't like the answer given simply because I'm not going to commit to knowing all the answers unlike some seem to pretend to? OK - grand so.


  • #8750
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,134 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    gozunda wrote: »
    Well thanks for your detailed reply. Btw you did ask a throwaway question on restrictions- something which I hadn't touched on - and now you don't like the answer given simply because I'm not going to commit to knowing all the answers unlike some seem to pretend to? OK - grand so.

    I asked your opinion, you can have an opinion. You know my opinion.


  • #8751
    babaracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭babaracus


    brickster69 wrote: »
    They do not prevent deaths either, especially in people over 50. It is good information to pass on that people still need to be careful despite being fully vaxed.

    This is completely wrong, vaccines do prevent deaths in the vast majority of cases.


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  • #8752
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    babaracus wrote: »
    This is completely wrong, vaccines do prevent deaths in the vast majority of cases.

    Stop being childish.

    If it make you feel better how you interpret " prevent "

    Vaccines reduce deaths - happy !

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #8753
    py2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭py2006


    Looks like Ming was put out by having to queue at Customs in the airport:

    https://twitter.com/lukeming/status/1408733146212974594?s=20

    There are clear markings for social distancing that are obviously being ignored by grown adults!


  • #8754
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,802 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Ah get off the fence will ya.
    gozunda wrote: »
    Well thanks for your detailed reply. Btw you did ask a throwaway question on restrictions- something which I hadn't touched on - and now you don't like the answer given simply because I'm not going to commit to knowing all the answers unlike some seem to pretend to? OK - grand so.
    niallo27 wrote: »
    I asked your opinion, you can have an opinion. You know my opinion.

    Mod

    Relax the pair of you, before this escalates unnecessarily.


  • #8755
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Stop being childish.

    If it make you feel better how you interpret " prevent "

    Vaccines reduce deaths - happy !

    The vaccines are between 95 and 98% effective against hospitalisation. Protection against death is thus higher than that, close to 100%.


  • #8756
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    The vaccines are between 95 and 98% effective against hospitalisation. Protection against death is thus higher than that, close to 100%.

    Another one, did you read what i wrote ?



    "3,546 over 50's that had two doses caught Delta

    UK has recorded a total 117 deaths from delta

    Of the 50 deaths who were double dosed 100% of those were over 50 "

    Then i said vaccines do not prevent deaths which is true. Maybe i am the only person who thinks prevent means stop i don't know. Maybe i should of said vaccines do not stop deaths

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #8757
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Another one, did you read what i wrote ?



    "3,546 over 50's that had two doses caught Delta

    UK has recorded a total 117 deaths from delta

    Of the 50 deaths who were double dosed 100% of those were over 50 "

    Then i said vaccines do not prevent deaths which is true. Maybe i am the only person who thinks prevent means stop i don't know. Maybe i should of said vaccines do not stop deaths

    Where did i say vaccines stop deaths


  • #8758
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Where did i say vaccines stop deaths

    I am not saying you did

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #8759
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    brickster69 wrote: »
    I am not saying you did
    Right, sure


  • #8760
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,201 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    AHHHHHHH

    i needed that, first of all bad day in the GAA for us both on the pitch/attendance and then turning on RTE2 seeing a full stadium


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  • #8761
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    For anyone defending restrictions. There is a large amount of them judging by polls but they seem to be very quiet.

    Under what circumstance do you believe the NPHET Government will lift all restrictions?

    We know the vaccine doesn't eliminate the virus, it just alleviates the symptoms. The case numbers will not disappear. Vaccine uptake is a lot lower in other countries than here and there will be about 10% here that won't take the vaccine at all (roughly 500,000 people).

    There are 13 people in ICU. Older and very vulnerable will still be at a risk. That 13 won't be changing much. Those 300-400 cases a day won't be changing, even with the vaccine. In fact unless restrictions actually do work, which I am sure you believe, those cases will be going up. And they'll definitely be going up for winter.

    So I ask again, under what circumstances do you believe that the NPHET Government will get rid of all restrictions?


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