Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

niallo27 · 27-06-2021 01:14PM

gozunda wrote: »

First hospitals are not empty. Dropped someone off to A&E during the week and the hospital extremely busy with patients, emergencies and clinics.

As to your one shot AZ 80% figure. You may wish to revisit that.

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1346

80% is for hospitalizations according to the main thread, your figure is for transmission. I think its safe to say which is more important. I meant hospitals are empty of covid patients or are you suggesting we are not relaxing restrictions because of non covid health reasons. I'm asking you before you accuse of me saying something you never said.

MerlinSouthDub · 27-06-2021 01:16PM

the kelt wrote: »

That all sounds positive, hopefully that remains the case.

Can’t imagine there would be any reasons we couldn’t use the surplus vaccines surely? Makes sense.

If NIAC agree to using AZ/J&J for younger people I reckon we can get close to 90% of adults with one dose by 1st week of August.

Stheno · 27-06-2021 01:17PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

If NIAC agree to using AZ/J&J for younger people I reckon we can get close to 90% of adults with one dose by 1st week of August.

Think we are due a massive shipment in July of j and j

MerlinSouthDub · 27-06-2021 01:19PM

Stheno wrote: »

Think we are due a massive shipment in July of j and j

Would be proper bonkers not to use it but NIAC's advice has been all over the place, so who knows what will happen.

gozunda · 27-06-2021 01:21PM

niallo27 wrote: »

80% is for hospitalizations according to the main thread, your figure is for transmission. I think its safe to say which is more important. I meant hospitals are empty of covid patients or are you suggesting we are not relaxing restrictions because of non covid health reasons. I'm asking you before you accuse of me saying something you never said.

Your statement was "anyone with 1 shot of AZ is 80% protected"

So yes it might be an idea to qualify that. Ditto regarding hospitals. But no I'm not suggesting anything.

Btw the current data from PHE - details that one dose of AstraZeneca is 71% effective against hospitalisation

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1404494080244162562?s=20

Tenger · 27-06-2021 01:28PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Please point to a study that shows a flimsy price of fabric or paper protects against an airborne disease. Would you wear a blue surgical mask in a room full of smallpox and expect it to protect you? It won't. And that's a bigger or similar particle size compared to covid.

Mask wearing isn’t to protect the wearer, it’s to reduce the level of asymptomatic droplet transmission in the community.

Beechwoodspark · 27-06-2021 01:28PM

Personally would sacrifice international travel reopening if it means we can open up society here

brickster69 · 27-06-2021 01:31PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

If NIAC agree to using AZ/J&J for younger people I reckon we can get close to 90% of adults with one dose by 1st week of August.

What has changed, could of done that months ago ?

growleaves · 27-06-2021 01:32PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Have you a link to that? I believe there was related advice nearer the beginning when everyone was keen to evade the virus rather than the restrictions, but 2 years seems like another stretch..

Yes 2 years is a stretch. Technically 16 months and counting.. unless social distancing comes to an end soon, which I suppose it could.

But no I don't have a link, just look at any general statement made regarding social distancing since March 2020. You aren't supposed to go within 2 metres of any new person. That is official advice which people are treating as serious (or pretending to). Apparently it is still in effect.

If people expect someone to be ousted their job over kissing and hugging in private that is very extreme. It is an informal penalty if they haven't been fired.

Tenger · 27-06-2021 01:32PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Personally would sacrifice international travel reopening if it means we can open up society here

You would sacrifice international travel as you are totally opposed to it on climate change grounds.

There is no decision between the two to be had here. International travel is resuming on July 19th under the EU DCC system.
Opening up hospitality on July 5th is an internal Irish matter.

ACitizenErased · 27-06-2021 01:33PM

https://twitter.com/rtenewspaulc/status/1409126841777070080?s=21

Stheno · 27-06-2021 01:33PM

brickster69 wrote: »

What has changed, could of done that months ago ?

We will have excess j and j and Az when the over 50s are done

zackory · 27-06-2021 01:35PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenewspaulc/status/1409126841777070080?s=21

Some shower of clowns

Ficheall · 27-06-2021 01:36PM

growleaves wrote: »

But no I don't have a link, just look at any general statement made regarding social distancing since March 2020. You aren't supposed to go within 2 metres of any new person

If this is available in "any general statement..", it does not sound like it's something you should have difficulty providing a link to?

niallo27 · 27-06-2021 01:37PM

gozunda wrote: »

Your statement was "anyone with 1 shot of AZ is 80% protected"

So yes it might be an idea to qualify that. Ditto regarding hospitals. But no I'm not suggesting anything.

Btw the current data from PHE - details that one dose of AstraZeneca is 71% effective against hospitalisation

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1404494080244162562?s=20

Depends where you read, some say over 80%. Anyway 71% is incredible protection. Who cares if people get it and not sick. In your opinion with 71% protection do you think restrictions should be relaxed on the 5th.

BigMo1 · 27-06-2021 01:38PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenewspaulc/status/1409126841777070080?s=21

We really are an insane little island at times. The obsession with wanting to be seen to be doing something no matter how nonsensical is an embarrassment.

growleaves · 27-06-2021 01:42PM

Ficheall wrote: »

If this is available in "any general statement..", it does not sound like it's something you should have difficulty providing a link to?

???

I'm genuinely confused now. I am providing you with a link to 'prove' that there is a thing called social distancing in which people are expected to stay 2m apart from each other? Why am I doing that?

Here is one such link:

Matt Hancock faces further calls to quit after breaking social distancing rules over kiss with aide Gina Coladangelo

growleaves · 27-06-2021 01:45PM

What are the social distancing rules and when could they end?

agoodpunt · 27-06-2021 01:54PM

I quote Front page articule of business post "the govt fear NPET may reccomend no definite reopening date" however the airport reopening 19 july will be one way traffic for those who can

PTH2009 · 27-06-2021 01:56PM

agoodpunt wrote: »

I quote Front page articule of business post "the govt fear NPET may reccomend no definite reopening date" however the airport reopening 19 july will be one way traffic for those who can

If that's the case people need to speak up in a massive massive way

Elessar · 27-06-2021 01:58PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

If that's the case people need to speak up in a massive massive way

I wish we lived in a society where this actually happened.

But this is Ireland.

VinLieger · 27-06-2021 01:59PM

Martin is a pathetic embodiment of indecision.

The man couldn't decide how to get out of a paper bag without 5 different special groups delivering reports that all agreed identical solutions.

Graham · 27-06-2021 02:10PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

If NIAC agree to using AZ/J&J for younger people I reckon we can get close to 90% of adults with one dose by 1st week of August.

If it's agreed, it could change the course of everything over the coming months.

Bit cynical · 27-06-2021 02:23PM

agoodpunt wrote: »

I quote Front page articule of business post "the govt fear NPET may reccomend no definite reopening date" however the airport reopening 19 july will be one way traffic for those who can

Very odd that the government might fear a recommendation or lack of one from an advisory body.

brickster69 · 27-06-2021 02:24PM

Graham wrote: »

If it's agreed, it could change the course of everything over the coming months.

A race against time now because of political lies and misinformation. Ironic when you think about it

jusvi2001 · 27-06-2021 02:29PM

So delay in reopening is inevitable by looking at the news head lines. we are back to square one in spite of all the vaccination drive and herd immunity so far. i forgot Ireland is run by Dr Tony and team. political class is spineless and scared like a child to take any decision to lead this country out this crisis.

Marcusm · 27-06-2021 02:31PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Personally would sacrifice international travel reopening if it means we can open up society here

International travel reopening from 19 July might lead to new Delta seeding from 2 weeks after that. They are worried about it from 5 July! Don’t think there’s any benefit from those two being traded off. Indoor dining with significant distancing should be safe. Govt has committed to “wet” pubs reopening on the same schedule. It is the pubs where will not respect table usage, distancing etc. That’s where there would be risk.

Marcusm · 27-06-2021 02:32PM

brickster69 wrote: »

What has changed, could of done that months ago ?

We didn’t and still don’t have doses. Will probably have 200-400k AZ doses spare from last week in July. Doubt we’ll see the J&J promised; aren’t they something like 90% unfulfilled still, ie 80k received out of nearly 700k scheduled.

Graham · 27-06-2021 02:33PM

brickster69 wrote: »

A race against time now because of political lies and misinformation. Ironic when you think about it

Since vaccinations became available it's been a race between vaccinations and spread.

The limiting factor has been supply of vaccines.

zackory · 27-06-2021 02:33PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Martin is a pathetic embodiment of indecision.

The man couldn't decide how to get out of a paper bag without 5 different special groups delivering reports that all agreed identical solutions.

NPHET
NIAC
EAG
Cabinet Sub committee
Cabinet

Thats 5 off the top of my head.

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