Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

cloudatlas wrote: »

What I am finding frustrating is that people on this thread are making out that there is no risk and that there are no long term consequences. I'm fine with people saying 'I want to go to into the packed pub on Saturday' but don't turn around and say that just because the mortality rate is low that everything is grand and that it is wise to go to the pub. Just because you don't know anyone personally who has suffered. If we lived our life with blinkers on like that we would have no empathy.

Of course there is risk.

Just like there is a certain amount of risk to everything you do. Get into a car, take public transport, go for a cycle etc.

There is long term consequences to covid too that haven't got much of a mention. A spiralling debt, business closures, loss of jobs with no little long term planning, increased addictions, mental health matters etc.

You go on about empathy. Where is the empathy from NPHET towards the long term damage they are inflicting on millions of people in the country?

Post-viral syndrome is not a plausible justification for restrictions.

'We don't know the long-term effects of post-viral syndrome' is mistaken or a falsity depending on who is saying it.

This gets back to why I am predicting a winter lockdown. If the bar for restrictions is this low then almost anything can serve as a justification (and will).

How would you remove restrictions even in theory? 100% successful vaccination in combination with 0 cases plus no more instances of post-viral syndrome?

shockframe wrote: »

Of course there is risk.

Just like there is a certain amount of risk to everything you do. Get into a car, take public transport, go for a cycle etc.

There is long term consequences to covid too that haven't got much of a mention. A spiralling debt, business closures, loss of jobs with no little long term planning,mental health matters, increased addictions, mental health matters etc.

You go on about empathy. Where is the empathy from NPHET towards the long term damage they are inflicting on millions of people in the country?

Did I say that businesses shouldn't open up. I distinctly remember saying that people should go for pints if they want. What I object to is the denial in this thread. Enjoy your pint, have several for all I care.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

If it's not an n95 or equivalent, it really isn't doing much to protect anyone tbh. A thin, badly fitting piece of cloth or paper is not stopping an airborne virus.

Bull****. However If you wish to discuss your anti mask beliefs afaik there's a place for that on boards

cloudatlas wrote: »

I mean ffs....

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/24/more-than-2m-adults-in-england-have-had-long-covid-for-over-12-weeks-study?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Ok. And likewise with respiratory illnesses since humans have existed. Let's see in the years to come how history looks back upon "long covid"

cloudatlas wrote: »

Did I say that businesses shouldn't open up. I distinctly remember saying that people should go for pints if they want. What I object to is the denial in this thread. Enjoy your pint, have several for all I care.

I'm far from a big drinker myself.

I've adapted fine without the Pub and Alcohol. I still support the easing of restrictions and allowing pubs to reopen on July 5th.

niallo27 wrote: »

I don't know, we are very reactive to negative things in other countries. If other countries rolled back restrictions we would copy them, we deal in the what if and not in the now in this country.

Yeah i get your point but other countries are ahead so would be going back 1 step not two. Governments panicking is the problem.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1409026740295503873

ninebeanrows wrote: »

I’m sorry but it is not strict. They ask you a question on entry similar to contact tracing here . Vast majority of places just pay lip service , it’s not like a vaccine cert

And the map is illustrating where indoor dining is available not if it is restricted

Yeah I ate in Germany numerous times each day over 4 days recently. Was no hassle at all. What we read as restrictions for other countries are treated the same way the 9 euro meal and time limit was here. Some will follow to the letter. Others won't and will work the system.

niallo27 wrote: »

There will always be a risk though, when do we start to live with it.

We are starting to live with it. So far I've had one vaccine ditto for other people.

zackory wrote: »

It's your claim. Back it up.

I don't know what Tony Holohan has provided but I'm waiting with baited breath for you to provide it as you seem so keen for me to see it

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

R1 covering the resignation of Matt Hancock now over his breach of lockdown rules, and one thing I will say for the UK is that when ministers or officials are caught out like this, they will generally (be made to) resign.

Not like our crowd who 99% of the time will brazen it out regardless.

Dominic Cummings brazened it out with the full support of the shameless UK Government.

Hancock is a sacrificial lamb to protect Johnson, who should really be the one resigning.

In this country Phil Hogan, Dara Calleary, Jerry Buttimer were all forced to resign over Golfgate.

I would say the standards of accountability in this country are quite a bit higher than in Britain actually.

But if you're looking for people brazening it out here, look no further than Sinn Fein over the Storey funeral.

If and when they get into power, the standards of accountability will plummet.

gozunda wrote: »

Unfortunately the narrative that Ireland is the worsest with regard to just about everything seems to be a G'OD derived conspiracy which has not only grown legs but now regularly gets waltzed around the ballroom with multicolur strobe lighting and big disco ball for extra effect.

But pointing out the reality - apparently has no effect whatsoever.

People who choose to believe conspiracies can't be persuaded with facts.

growleaves wrote: »

The rules are bogus. Kissing new people can't be made illegal on a basis of years, all you are doing is redefining life itself as quasi-criminal.

Do you think that 18-25 years olds are taking vows of chastity that may go on for two or three years and counting because of a scientific hypothesis?

Hang on.. Where are these new rules??