Ulster Team Talk Thread IV... Go On My Henderson...

Former Former Former · 22-06-2021 12:21PM

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

I dunno if there's any bombshells in there.

But maybe this interview with Touhy, which does mention Joe, is actually primarily about... Touhy?

but but but...

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Very frank and quite vulnerable description from Dan Tuohy about trying to fit in under Joe.

Like, you brought it up and the only thing you mentioned was the Joe topic.

awec · 22-06-2021 12:22PM

Former Former Former wrote: »

I don't mean his opinion doesn't matter, I mean that it doesn't matter if Joe is a nice guy or not. All that matters is his results which he delivered in spades (RWCs aside). Some players will always react badly to a coach or his style.

I don't think the point was to determine if Joe Schmidt was a nice guy or not.

Tuohy likely interviewed about himself, asked about his time playing for Ireland, this segment has been picked out for special mention because he said things that were interesting and not your typical boring clichés.

That's all there is to it.

I am sure Joe Schmidt is wise enough to know that there are likely players of his who never really liked him.

launish116 · 22-06-2021 12:30PM

theVersatile wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1407244055759802368?s=19

Matthew Dalton to Newcastle

Had the aggression & physicality. Wonder will this be another that advances elsewhere.

Paul Smeenus · 22-06-2021 12:40PM

Former Former Former wrote: »

but but but...

Like, you brought it up and the only thing you mentioned was the Joe topic.

And what was my substantive point about the Joe topic?

How open and unguarded Tuohy was on it.

And lo and behold, two posts later we have Macho Man weighing in from the 1950s, complaining that Tuohy sounds "sensitive". That attitude is the real issue here, and why Touhy saying he "needs an arm put around" him is worth remarking on.

But but but... there's an implicit criticism of Joe! That's the focus!

Stop trying to police any mention of Joe, FFF.

Paul Smeenus · 22-06-2021 01:28PM

bilston wrote: »

I thought that post might trigger a few Paul!

FWIW I've heard in the past that a retired Ulster, Ireland and Lion wasn't a big fan of Schmidt's ways with players.

But...as others have said, many successful coaches in many sports have been like that. Nice guys come second apparently.

Wish I'd had your foresight. Wouldn't have bothered posting it.

theVersatile · 22-06-2021 03:22PM

Lowry with Ireland

https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1407342575569231873?s=19

launish116 · 22-06-2021 03:28PM

theVersatile wrote: »

Lowry with Ireland

https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1407342575569231873?s=19

Well deserved.

One foot in the door is a good start for Ulster guys going forward!

Paul Smeenus · 22-06-2021 03:47PM

launish116 wrote: »

Well deserved.

One foot in the door is a good start for Ulster guys going forward!

Delighted for him, and agreed, he absolutely earned it.

Pleasantly surprised, as I thought Farrell really prioritised big lads.

NB no Joes were harmed in the making of this post.

launish116 · 24-06-2021 01:08PM

IRELAND U20 - FRIDAY 2000 HOURS

15. Jamie Osborne (Naas CBS/Naas RFC/Leinster)
14. Ben Moxham (Larne High School/Ballymena RFC/Ulster)
13. Shane Jennings (Garbally College/Buccaneers RFC/Connacht)
12. Cathal Forde (Colaiste Iognaid/Corinthians RFC/Connacht)
11. Chris Cosgrave (St Michael’s College/UCD RFC/Leinster)
10. Tim Corkery (St Kieran’s College, Kilkenny/UCD RFC/Leinster)
9. Nathan Doak (Wallace High School/Banbridge RFC/Ulster)

1. Jack Boyle (St Michael’s College/UCD RFC/Leinster)
2. Ronan Loughnane (Cistercian College Roscrea/UCD RFC/Leinster)
3. Mark Donnelly (CBC Cork/Garryowen RFC/Munster)
4. Alex Soroka (Belvedere College/Clontarf RFC/Leinster)
5. Harry Sheridan (Sullivan Upper School/Dublin University FC/Ulster)
6. Donnacha Byrne (Summerhill College/Sligo RFC/Connacht)
7. Oisin McCormack (Garbally College/Buccaneers RFC/Connacht)
8. Alex Kendellen (PBC Cork/UCC RFC/Munster)(Captain).

Replacements:

16. Eoin de Buitléar (Scoil Chuimsitheach Chiáran/An Ghaeltacht/Corinthians RFC/Connacht)
17. George Saunderson (Sullivan Upper School/Queen’s University Belfast RFC/Ulster)
18. Sam Illo (Wesley College/Old Wesley RFC/Leinster)
19. Mark Morrissey (Blackrock College/UCD RFC/Leinster)
20. Reuben Crothers (Wallace High School/Ballynahinch RFC/Ulster)
21. Conor McKee (Sullivan Upper School/Queen’s University Belfast RFC/Ulster)
22. Ben Carson (Wallace High School/Banbridge RFC/Ulster)
23. Jude Postlethwaite (RBAI/Banbridge RFC/Ulster)
24. Fearghail O’Donoghue (Cashel Community School/Cashel RFC/Munster)
25. Daniel Okeke (Ard Scoil Ris/Shannon RFC/Munster)
26. Conor Rankin (Campbell College Belfast/Ballynahinch RFC/Ulster).

Looking forward to seeing Postlethwaite & Saunderson, never seen them before so hopefully they'll get on. Still would really like to see Sheridan at blindside.

Lsdrugbyfan · 24-06-2021 01:16PM

launish116 wrote: »

IRELAND U20 - FRIDAY 2000 HOURS

15. Jamie Osborne (Naas CBS/Naas RFC/Leinster)
14. Ben Moxham (Larne High School/Ballymena RFC/Ulster)
13. Shane Jennings (Garbally College/Buccaneers RFC/Connacht)
12. Cathal Forde (Colaiste Iognaid/Corinthians RFC/Connacht)
11. Chris Cosgrave (St Michael’s College/UCD RFC/Leinster)
10. Tim Corkery (St Kieran’s College, Kilkenny/UCD RFC/Leinster)
9. Nathan Doak (Wallace High School/Banbridge RFC/Ulster)

1. Jack Boyle (St Michael’s College/UCD RFC/Leinster)
2. Ronan Loughnane (Cistercian College Roscrea/UCD RFC/Leinster)
3. Mark Donnelly (CBC Cork/Garryowen RFC/Munster)
4. Alex Soroka (Belvedere College/Clontarf RFC/Leinster)
5. Harry Sheridan (Sullivan Upper School/Dublin University FC/Ulster)
6. Donnacha Byrne (Summerhill College/Sligo RFC/Connacht)
7. Oisin McCormack (Garbally College/Buccaneers RFC/Connacht)
8. Alex Kendellen (PBC Cork/UCC RFC/Munster)(Captain).

Replacements:

16. Eoin de Buitléar (Scoil Chuimsitheach Chiáran/An Ghaeltacht/Corinthians RFC/Connacht)
17. George Saunderson (Sullivan Upper School/Queen’s University Belfast RFC/Ulster)
18. Sam Illo (Wesley College/Old Wesley RFC/Leinster)
19. Mark Morrissey (Blackrock College/UCD RFC/Leinster)
20. Reuben Crothers (Wallace High School/Ballynahinch RFC/Ulster)
21. Conor McKee (Sullivan Upper School/Queen’s University Belfast RFC/Ulster)
22. Ben Carson (Wallace High School/Banbridge RFC/Ulster)
23. Jude Postlethwaite (RBAI/Banbridge RFC/Ulster)
24. Fearghail O’Donoghue (Cashel Community School/Cashel RFC/Munster)
25. Daniel Okeke (Ard Scoil Ris/Shannon RFC/Munster)
26. Conor Rankin (Campbell College Belfast/Ballynahinch RFC/Ulster).

Looking forward to seeing Postlethwaite & Saunderson, never seen them before so hopefully they'll get on. Still would really like to see Sheridan at blindside.

Sheridan wont be moving from lock, due to injuries.

launish116 · 24-06-2021 01:18PM

Lsdrugbyfan wrote: »

Sheridan wont be moving from lock, due to injuries.

Sadly true!

launish116 · 24-06-2021 05:55PM

Leone Nakawara has now signed for Toulon.

molloyjh · 24-06-2021 06:11PM

bilston wrote: »

I thought that post might trigger a few Paul!

FWIW I've heard in the past that a retired Ulster, Ireland and Lion wasn't a big fan of Schmidt's ways with players.

But...as others have said, many successful coaches in many sports have been like that. Nice guys come second apparently.

Yeah, MOC was well liked by most senior players by all accounts. The nice guy who got nowhere. If we want exacting standards from our pro teams then the head guy needs exacting standards himself. I'm sure there's room for better interpersonal skills like Lancaster for example, but it's no surprise a lot of successful coaches have been tough characters.

bilston · 24-06-2021 06:28PM

launish116 wrote: »

Leone Nakawara has now signed for Toulon.

Weird. You have to wonder what went on there

launish116 · 24-06-2021 06:36PM

bilston wrote: »

Weird. You have to wonder what went on there

Really odd ain’t it

salmocab · 24-06-2021 06:48PM

bilston wrote: »

Weird. You have to wonder what went on there

Could be as simple as suddenly he’s not worth much wages wise so is a cheap signing or they are willing to take a risk Ulster weren’t.

Paul Smeenus · 24-06-2021 08:29PM

Yeah, he'll be a luxury for them - we would have built our pack around him. Seems likely that there's questions over whether he'd have been robust enough for our needs.

Utah_Saint · 25-06-2021 09:20AM

Mentioned on uafc - Mike Rhodes to leave Saracens. 33 years old 6ft 5" 18 stone flanker....

We need someone very soon.

Buer · 25-06-2021 09:31AM

Utah_Saint wrote: »

Mentioned on uafc - Mike Rhodes to leave Saracens. 33 years old 6ft 5" 18 stone flanker....

We need someone very soon.

Total and complete thug. He's a good player but I'd hate to see him at a province.

He's in the Callum Clarke bracket, for me.

Utah_Saint · 25-06-2021 09:53AM

Buer wrote: »

Total and complete thug. He's a good player but I'd hate to see him at a province.

He's in the Callum Clarke bracket, for me.

thats kinda why i would like him....play on the edge (not over it)

launish116 · 25-06-2021 09:57AM

Turns 34 start of the season.

Might be a stop gap, but not sure he’ll fit our game plan.

bilston · 25-06-2021 10:03AM

Signing Rhodes would smack of desperation. I'd rather we didn't. I don't know what it would achieve other than mildly filling a gap and pushing a problem 12 months down the line.

Either make a significant top class back row signing (not very likely in late June) or spend next season developing David McCann, Marcus Rea and Reuben Crothers and assess where they are at in November and December and recruit accordingly for the 2022/23 season.

Lsdrugbyfan · 25-06-2021 10:08AM

Utah_Saint wrote: »

thats kinda why i would like him....play on the edge (not over it)

he plays well beyond the edge.

sydthebeat · 25-06-2021 10:38AM

If he transfers to another league, does his ban travel with him?

launish116 · 25-06-2021 10:53AM

I fully expect us to sign someone for them to get injured in the first week. It is the Ulster way.

ionadnapóca · 25-06-2021 01:38PM

Munster really are the premier province when it comes to that

Utah_Saint · 25-06-2021 02:06PM

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Munster really are the premier province when it comes to that

have to agree....Munster are really stepping it up trying to out Ulster, Ulster...

ionadnapóca · 25-06-2021 02:53PM

Step up for the Munster men. Step up for the Munster men. And on and......

Dubinusa · 25-06-2021 03:20PM

There are lots of unsigned players floating about. Not sure if there's any gems out there, but with the Nakawara deal falling off the money is there. I think that McCann can do the job. Alongside Timoney and Reidy, he can prosper. It's worth noting that Nordi is also highly rated at 8. I think Ulster just need another back row, a superstar would be grand, but unlikely. Crothers is probably a couple of years away. He is fairly small and would need to develop physically.

Locke_Lamora · 25-06-2021 03:45PM

Dubinusa wrote: »

There are lots of unsigned players floating about. Not sure if there's any gems out there, but with the Nakawara deal falling off the money is there. I think that McCann can do the job. Alongside Timoney and Reidy, he can prosper. It's worth noting that Nordi is also highly rated at 8. I think Ulster just need another back row, a superstar would be grand, but unlikely. Crothers is probably a couple of years away. He is fairly small and would need to develop physically.

Is Jordi Murphy highly rated in any position anymore? He had a few games where he turned up for us but he went missing for large parts of the season. McCann is good but hasn't looked like he will improve the backrow massively yet, but I'm all for giving him more game time.

We are in a lot of trouble if we go into to next year with the same backrow imo.

Ulster Team Talk Thread IV... Go On My Henderson...

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