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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    zackory wrote: »
    Source?

    I know a business that got the option of greatly reduced premiums if NOBODY was allowed in, or to just leave public liability in place.

    You are making this one up.

    So reduced insurance because nobody would be on the property so there's a lower risk?

    Sounds about right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Graham wrote: »
    I've heard this a few times but nobody has managed to come up with a source yet.

    It's probably not particularly relevant anyway as the majority will act in accordance with the public health measures in place at the time.

    A lot of places opened outdoors picnic benches during the takeaway only phase.

    Not necessarily high profile pubs but coffee shops etc., picnic tables.

    I've seen various communications from trade organisations and never seen it mentioned about public liability.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Gael23 wrote: »
    I believe this is the case. The Gardai won’t have the resources to quash a mass reopening but public liability insurance would be void

    There won't be a mass reopening if the restrictions are still in place, just doesn't happen in Ireland unfortunately.

    There should be mass protests if the delay happens but between the Gov and media they have successfully labelled any such protests as right-wing lunatics so even that won't happen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,424 ✭✭✭✭km79


    36 covid patients in hospital . Down from 47
    13 in ICU
    In
    The
    Whole
    Country


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    So reduced insurance because nobody would be on the property so there's a lower risk?

    Sounds about right.

    Yes but I doubt many availed of the option. Kept full insurance in place so full cover as nobody expected it to go on this long.

    So have you a source for your claims please?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    I know this is going against the current consensus on the thread...but I think we'll be opening as planned.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Are you aware of a little thing called insurance?

    Nah. Never heard of it. Explain like I'm 5 please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,610 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    km79 wrote: »
    36 covid patients in hospital . Down from 47
    13 in ICU
    In
    The
    Whole
    Country

    BuT tHe VarRiAnTs...

    We're an absolute joke


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,666 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Is there one single public representative/politician that is willing to call out this ****e? Even Sam McConkey (who I would call the worst fear spreader) was on primetime last night and said there is no possible scenario where a 3rd wave will put us back to anything remotely like January due to the vaccine take up.

    The UK who are supposed to be over run with Delta, are still recording falling hospital numbers. Why do we care about anything else?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    agoodpunt wrote: »
    dont expect any opening here we are in the new normal just go north or anywhere in europe where most are open I will be away august and sept so make no difference to me

    People will just book foreign holidays if opening is put off. Government need to decide which they want.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭RGS


    Meanwhile, the chair of the Irish Medical Organisation's GP committee said the Government should not rely on the number of hospitalisations associated with Covid-19 when making decisions about easing restrictions next week.

    Transport Minister Eamon Ryan said hospital figures will be a key factor in decisions, but Dr Denis McCauley says the variant may not lead to increased admissions.

    From the irish examiner https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40322069.html

    Goalpost moving again don't count the hospital numbers ad we still have posters here claiming NPHET and the Medics don't want to keep the county closed.

    Its clear the medics are enjoying the power they hold over the country and are loving the limelight of being in the media.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Penfailed wrote: »
    I know this is going against the current consensus on the thread...but I think we'll be opening as planned.

    I'm certainly not writing it off yet.

    Let's say cautiously optimistic that we'll reopen as planned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Nah. Never heard of it. Explain like I'm 5 please.

    Like a lollipop after an owie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    36 people in hospital is simply unacceptable. We need full Level 5 NOW!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Penfailed wrote: »
    I know this is going against the current consensus on the thread...but I think we'll be opening as planned.

    Nah, I'm confident everything is going as planned, and so are most of my friends in the trade TBH.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,264 ✭✭✭Allinall


    rob316 wrote: »
    Is there one single public representative/politician that is willing to call out this ****e? Even Sam McConkey (who I would call the worst fear spreader) was on primetime last night and said there is no possible scenario where a 3rd wave will put us back to anything remotely like January due to the vaccine take up.

    The UK who are supposed to be over run with Delta, are still recording falling hospital numbers. Why do we care about anything else?

    Hospital numbers have been increasing daily in the UK since 05th June

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,994 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    36 people in hospital is simply unacceptable. We need full Level 5 NOW!

    Build a wall too right around the whole island.
    And then mass spraying of the country with whatever it is you see people on the telly spraying buildings with.
    Can't afford to take any chances.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Allinall wrote: »
    Hospital numbers have been increasing daily in the UK since 05th June

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

    Incidence of Covid is slowing across nearly all regions of the U.K. They’d a different vaccine roll out to us also - 12 week gap for mRNA vaccines against manufacturer guidelines.

    This ‘scarient’ isn’t living up to the hype - so quick onto the Delta plus, or the Mexican. They can keep this going forever with this approach.

    Just for anyone who’s unaware - INDOOR DINING IS OPEN IN THE U.K. RIGHT NOW. And we’re talking about keeping ours closed for July?!!!

    They only ‘delay’ in the U.K. is for things like social distancing, masks, etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,717 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Penfailed wrote: »
    I know this is going against the current consensus on the thread...but I think we'll be opening as planned.

    I actually think we will too, bar a massive deterioration over the next week.
    If MM had any spine he would come out and say this now too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Most people in the uk have only received one fuse from f AZ. We don’t have that issue because we are mostly using mRNA vaccines


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭Padkir


    RoryMac wrote: »
    There won't be a mass reopening if the restrictions are still in place, just doesn't happen in Ireland unfortunately.

    There should be mass protests if the delay happens but between the Gov and media they have successfully labelled any such protests as right-wing lunatics so even that won't happen

    I wouldn't be a protesting kind of person generally, but I would drive anywhere in the country to protest any delay in reopening on 5th July, should it come to pass. It's ridiculous that it is even being considered, given the current situation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    and so are most of my friends in the trade TBH.

    They should be able to show you the communications from their trade organisations regarding public liability so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,994 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    Incidence of Covid is slowing across nearly all regions of the U.K. They’d a different vaccine roll out to us also - 12 week gap for mRNA vaccines against manufacturer guidelines.

    This ‘scarient’ isn’t living up to the hype - so quick onto the Delta plus, or the Mexican. They can keep this going forever with this approach.

    Just for anyone who’s unaware - INDOOR DINING IS OPEN IN THE U.K. RIGHT NOW. And we’re talking about keeping ours closed for July?!!!

    They only ‘delay’ in the U.K. is for things like social distancing, masks, etc.

    I must say having a few pints in a pub is delightful.
    (sorry)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    zackory wrote: »
    They should be able to show you the communications from their trade organisations regarding public liability so.

    Funnily enough there hasn't been a lot of communication about opening against public health advice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Nah, I'm confident everything is going as planned, and so are most of my friends in the trade TBH.


    Can't see it, NPHET will say on Wednesday that they recommend postponing for 2/3 weeks. Martin will announce on Thursday they're taking the advice and will revisit in 3 weeks time. At which stage because of falling vaccine supplies and Delta numbers still high there will be another delay.
    After that there will probably be yet another variant so lockdown gets extended again. Then we're back into schools reopening again so everything gets put on hold again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    robbiezero wrote: »
    If MM had any spine he would come out and say this now too.

    That's the nub of it, a lack of guidance / communication from the government has created a vacuum in which the media will thrive.

    And suddenly every politician has to be giving media interviews.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,666 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Best stat ever, there is more members of NPHET than people in hospital with Covid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Funnily enough there hasn't been a lot of communication about opening against public health advice.

    I am asking for your source regarding lack of liability if you open during restrictions and somebody slips.

    You deflect, deflect, deflect.

    Absolute spoof is what you came out with regarding insurance.

    Or else back it up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    rob316 wrote: »
    Best stat ever, there is more members of NPHET than people in hospital with Covid.

    Hopefully they get challenged on it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    zackory wrote: »
    I am asking for your source regarding lack of liability if you open during restrictions and somebody slips.

    You deflect, deflect, deflect.

    Absolute spoof is what you came out with regarding insurance.

    Or else back it up.


    How do you back it up without precedent?

    Do you honestly believe that opening against public health advice and the health act (so illegally) wouldn't void your insurance?

    Feel free to show your workings.


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