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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #5672
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,954 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    Are there any other countries in the EU where indoor dining is still closed?
    Everywhere is open as far as I know, but even if it wasnt, it isnt an issue on the continent as people generally sit outside in the summer.
    If you ask an owner of some dark irish pub in a dungeon basement somewhere in Europe you'll be told that they do almost no business during the summer as nobody wants to be indoors. The only pubs and restaurants that keep ticking over in the summer are the ones that have a nice big terrace that people can sit out in the fresh air and sunshine, and thats before Covid.

    On the continent opening indoors in the summer isnt going to create a massive infection problem as nobody wants to be indoors in the summer.
    In Ireland, its a very different story so a very different decision that NPHET has to make and way more laden with risk than for the continent.

    just this one time NPHET might actually have a point in being anxious in opening indoors .


  • #5673
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Could the fear and doom merchants not stick to the restrictions thread?

    It’s hard work wading through dozens of pages of incessant negativity, from the same half dozen, on a thread which should be a source of hope now that everything is opening up due to the fantastic vaccination program.


  • #5674
    beaz2018
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭beaz2018


    Does anyone have a definitive answer to this - is there another country on earth with restaurants currently closed? No smart ars3 answers please.


  • #5675
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    Could the fear and doom merchants not stick to the restrictions thread?

    It’s hard work wading through dozens of pages of incessant negativity, from the same half dozen, on a thread which should be a source of hope now that everything is opening up due to the fantastic vaccination program.
    Eh? The Restrictions thread has been the ebulliently optimistic one throughout the entire pandemic, no?


  • #5676
    Normal One
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Normal One


    beaz2018 wrote: »
    Does anyone have a definitive answer to this - is there another country on earth with restaurants currently closed? No smart ars3 answers please.

    I’ve been searching for restrictions in some of the countries experiencing high numbers of cases, ignoring the likes of Brazil and Russia because their leaders aren’t very nice. Seems like Argentina is only doing takeaway/delivery from restaurants and bars. Colombia announces easing of restrictions recently; concerts, sporting events and nightclubs can allow 25% capacity in cities where ICU beds are at less than 85% capacity. This can rise to 50% capacity in cities where 70% of the population had its vaccine.


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  • #5677
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    That’s all it is pure and utter fear that has been induced by NPHET and ISAG!
    Did you not say you'd arranged to get your vax ~6 weeks earlier than the rest of your cohort despite having no underlying conditions?
    I'm sure I'll be more relaxed when I get my vax and my parents have their second vax.


  • #5678
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    Are taxpaying citizens on this thread happy to pay billions more of debt to keep indoor dining closed? Hospitals are empty of Covid. They are full to brim with other medical issues & Covid is not being picked up on any of them in hospital. Yet we’ll keep destroying our economy for a common cold among the under 40s? Gabriel Scally refused to give the death rate for this age group on radio to Ciara Kelly & tried to go the anecdotal route, I wonder why, could it be the death rate is tiny & doesn’t justify the current restrictions…

    Who will pay for the extra staff needed in hospitals, they’re all chronically understaffed.
    Why are taxpayers not being given a choice? NPHET are unelected & the Government are a catastrophic failure to its citizens.

    The choice of what exactly as a tax payer? Me as a tax payer with no clue of epidemiology should get to chose when we open up, is that what you're saying?

    You also keep saying we shouldn't accept it, what do you suggest we do, what are you yourself going to do? Getting annoyed on an internet forum isn't really going to do much is it!

    As someone else has said, the decision isn't in my hands so not going to get worked up about it, will still go to work every day etc.


  • #5679
    Normal One
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Normal One


    36 in hospital, 13 in ICU according to Paul Reid. 3.9m vaccine doses administered.


  • #5680
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    Could the fear and doom merchants not stick to the restrictions thread?

    It’s hard work wading through dozens of pages of incessant negativity, from the same half dozen, on a thread which should be a source of hope now that everything is opening up due to the fantastic vaccination program.

    Are you based in Ireland? What is opening up exactly? We’re talking about preventing business from opening…

    Have a look at the rest of Europe. Hosting games in stadiums and all enjoying hospitality etc

    Many of us called this months ago. I remember getting directed to the conspiracy forum when I said hospitality wouldn’t open fully until August earliest.


  • #5681
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Right I'll join the 'conspiracy theorists'. Its shaping up the same as last summer, they'll delay indoor dining (see pubs last summer), then there will be another reason - August bank holiday / schools returning, for it to be delayed again. Suddenly we're in Autumn and they haven't opened, there's worry of a 'winter wave'....


    ICU and hospital numbers are plummeting, if you can't open them now, when can you?


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  • #5682
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    shinzon wrote: »
    Shin

    Do you ever have an opinion on what you post?


  • #5683
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Normal One wrote: »
    36 in hospital, 13 in ICU according to Paul Reid. 3.9m vaccine doses administered.


    Should stay closed until next year.


  • #5684
    ClosedAccountFuzzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    Ireland’s not called Hibernia in Latin for nothing. We have probably the worst weather for outdoor dining anywhere in Europe. It’s nice when it’s nice but it’s usually wet and cold.

    I went out for a meal last night and it was, despite everything, a physically miserable experience and everything closed early and we were swiftly moved on (in less than an hour) from a pub by very brusk staff who just wanted table churn.

    So you’ve both the contrast with many parts of Europe (including large chunks of southern England) where in Ireland you will have more issues with people needing to be indoors to eat or drink because the weather just isn’t suitable and you’ll have the fact that in on a lot of days the weather will drive people away.

    We’re somewhat doomed on this topic as we really have ‘good’ weather that’s like a wet spring even a mild winter by many continental European or North American standards and that’s our summer.

    The only places comparable are Scotland, parts of northern England and Western Iceland.

    The east coast here is also much drier than the west and southwest. We are slow to admit that but it’s fact.

    One of the guy who joined us for dinner last night is from France and he was utterly miserable the entire time shivering in the drizzle and going on about quitting his job and going home.

    I don’t meant this as a depressing comment but I think we are living in cloud cuckoo land if we think either outdoor or indoor dining is suddenly going to work great here.

    We need to get the vaccines completed but we also need to use the danish approach to cheap and cheerful antigen testing to facilitate access to restaurants and bars.

    We also need to get over the outrage that maybe you might have to be vaccinated or tested to enter a high risk indoor, badly ventilated venue. Otherwise we are going to just have lowest common denominator, anti science brigade setting the agenda outraged at their inability to spread COVID, which they imagine is the sniffles.

    We’re not being realistic.


  • #5685
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It really is starting to look like we can kiss goodbye to any sort of normality in 2021. You can easily see how they'll play the schools card again in August and then we'll need another abundance of caution in Autumn/Winter.

    I certainly don't see the return of nightclubs, gigs, big weddings/events, sold out Croke Park, no masks anytime soon.
    We might eventually get extremely restricted indoor hospitality. (Table service, time limits, no music, curfews)

    And sure who knows what the situation will be in 2022. Maybe we'll need to wait another few weeks while the elderly get boosters.

    It gets even sillier now when you have people going North and leaving the country for normality...


  • #5686
    klose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,228 ✭✭✭✭klose


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    The cosmic ballet goes on

    Does anyone wanna swap seats?


  • #5687
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Be interesting to see what NPHET will base their Delta modelling projections on as we have a lot of differences to where the UK a few weeks ago when Delta took off there.

    Firstly we have a lot more Phizer compared to there AZ, which is better at protecting against infection. They have less uptake in the most vulnerable groups (over 75% of deaths in over 75s). Even when we have similar restrictions, people in Irelands movements/contacts are less as the follow guidelines more closely (ERSI have reports comparing attitudes in Rep and Northern Ireland at different dates. Hope all this is taking into account.


  • #5688
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    prunudo wrote: »
    What I can't understand is how the cabinet ministers are so detached from the mood of the public and reality of the figures. They must be surrounded by advisors who are building up the delta fear and painting everything in the most negative light possible.

    I'm still waiting for some journalist, or public figure to shout stop to this madness. All I see is the usual nodding dogs and sheep in the media lapping up everything they're told.
    Where are the critics or journalists who ask difficult questions and not be fobbed off by the usual political/isag guff.

    But they're not detached from the mood of the public. The majority of the public supports what the government is doing, unfortunately. Poll after poll confirms that.

    You'll be waiting a long time, unfortunately. There's no opposition in Ireland. The only country in the world in which that is the case.


  • #5689
    ClosedAccountFuzzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    The view of antigen testing is frankly nuts. I mean does NPHET imagine people are going to jab themselves in the eye with swabs or what?

    They seem to be taking the same that they took with masks early on, which undoubtedly caused us to have worse spread than was necessary.

    There was basically no anti mask issue in Ireland and a very practical and pragmatic population, yet the medics and commentators were debating whether or not your average person would be able to put a mask on correctly. Maybe they would be useless etc.

    We didn’t adopt masks until way after most of the continental European countries and even Trump’s America !

    I can only assume they thought we would likely put the masks on our elbows or try to eat them or something.

    It’s like we are being treated as a population of toddlers, when the reality is the public are very, very sensible and even a bit conservative on this topic.


  • #5690
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    AdamD wrote: »
    Right I'll join the 'conspiracy theorists'. Its shaping up the same as last summer, they'll delay indoor dining (see pubs last summer), then there will be another reason - August bank holiday / schools returning, for it to be delayed again. Suddenly we're in Autumn and they haven't opened, there's worry of a 'winter wave'....

    "Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it".


  • #5691
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    FuzzyThinking wrote: »
    The view of antigen testing is frankly nuts. I mean does NPHET imagine people are going to jab themselves in the eye with swabs or what?

    They seem to be taking the same that they took with masks early on, which undoubtedly caused us to have worse spread than was necessary.

    There was basically no anti mask issue in Ireland and a very practical and pragmatic population, yet the medics and commentators were debating whether or not your average person would be able to put a mask on correctly. Maybe they would be useless etc.

    I can only assume they thought we would likely put the masks on our elbows or try to eat them or something.

    It’s like we are being treated as a population of toddlers.

    What I absolutely could not understand at the time was if they were so concerned why they didn’t make an information video at the time
    They were concerned we wouldn’t put a mask on right so why not make a video and show it on all channels .
    Equally now with antigen tests they are concerned we might do it all wrong so why now SHOW US HOW .
    They are so quick to deem us all stupid so why not teach us dopes how to do it right instead of whinging that we are to stupid to get it


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  • #5692
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    petes wrote: »
    The choice of what exactly as a tax payer? Me as a tax payer with no clue of epidemiology should get to chose when we open up, is that what you're saying?

    You also keep saying we shouldn't accept it, what do you suggest we do, what are you yourself going to do? Getting annoyed on an internet forum isn't really going to do much is it!

    As someone else has said, the decision isn't in my hands so not going to get worked up about it, will still go to work every day etc.

    Lucky you. Some won't, but I guess they shouldn't get worked up about it.


  • #5693
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    petes wrote: »
    The choice of what exactly as a tax payer? Me as a tax payer with no clue of epidemiology should get to chose when we open up, is that what you're saying?

    You also keep saying we shouldn't accept it, what do you suggest we do, what are you yourself going to do? Getting annoyed on an internet forum isn't really going to do much is it!

    As someone else has said, the decision isn't in my hands so not going to get worked up about it, will still go to work every day etc.

    The country is being destroyed economically and socially and it’s citizens have suffered lengthy suppression like no other across the globe

    It’s now planning further delays on relaxation despite it being mid Summer and we know that what gets delayed will be unlikely to open in Autumn or Winter

    What harm

    Less of the sob stories guys and get on with it


  • #5694
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Normal One wrote: »
    36 in hospital, 13 in ICU according to Paul Reid. 3.9m vaccine doses administered.

    They seem to be flying long with vaccination now.
    66% of the adult population have a first dose, 38% fully vaccinated. Not far off the 80% target with 5 days to go.
    Especially with the supply issues with J&J and having to bring AZ second doses forward 4 weeks (under the old plan all 60-69 wouldn't have been second dosed until July)
    Obviously we'll miss the 80% target of first doses but we'll have more fully vaccinated as a result of the change, which with Delta, could be a good thing.


  • #5695
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Lucky you. Some won't, but I guess they shouldn't get worked up about it.

    Seriously? I could have written your response, it's the same response every time, what do you want me to do about it? Get annoyed on the internet, I will if it helps.


  • #5696
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    The country is being destroyed economically and socially and it’s citizens have suffered lengthy suppression like no other across the globe

    What harm

    Less of the sob stories guys and get on with it

    Typical response from you and completely expected, you have posted the same since day one and fair enough you've stuck to it. I've not mentioned anything about a sob story so stop making things up.

    What are you doing about it other than venting your faux outrage on the internet?


  • #5697
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are you based in Ireland? What is opening up exactly? We’re talking about preventing business from opening…

    Have a look at the rest of Europe. Hosting games in stadiums and all enjoying hospitality etc

    Many of us called this months ago. I remember getting directed to the conspiracy forum when I said hospitality wouldn’t open fully until August earliest.

    Have you been outside the door lately? Place is mobbed, Dublin City thronged with crowds enjoying ‘hospitality’.

    Anyway my point is you have a thread dedicated to giving out about fictitious lockdowns and ‘look at Denmark’ every second post. Isn’t one thread enough or do you have to repeat the same ráméis here for twice the outrage?


  • #5698
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gortanna wrote: »
    But they're not detached from the mood of the public. The majority of the public supports what the government is doing, unfortunately. Poll after poll confirms that.

    You'll be waiting a long time, unfortunately. There's no opposition in Ireland. The only country in the world in which that is the case.

    I was reading a thread on another forum about returning to the office and the general mood was that the holiday had to end eventually. I definitely think a lot of people are ok with the current situation. They haven't really being impacted yet.

    For the politicians, SF are happy enough to be topping the polls by doing nothing really. FF will be thinking they'll leave the economic fallout to FG. FG will be thinking that FF will be blamed for the handling of Covid/economy.

    So unfortunately nobody feels any real incentive to do anything other than wait.


  • #5699
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    petes wrote: »
    Seriously? I could have written your response, it's the same response every time, what do you want me to do about it? Get annoyed on the internet, I will if it helps.

    Email your nearest Government TD. Tell them, they were elected to lead a country not hide behind a one issue advisory group.


  • #5700
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭prunudo


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    But they're not detached from the mood of the public. The majority of the public supports what the government is doing, unfortunately. Poll after poll confirms that.

    You'll be waiting a long time, unfortunately. There's no opposition in Ireland. The only country in the world in which that is the case.

    Lets see how that mood is in 2 weeks time when people realise their staycation is a waste of money as everywhere is still closed.


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  • #5701
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Klonker wrote: »
    Be interesting to see what NPHET will base their Delta modelling projections on as we have a lot of differences to where the UK a few weeks ago when Delta took off there.

    Firstly we have a lot more Phizer compared to there AZ, which is better at protecting against infection. They have less uptake in the most vulnerable groups (over 75% of deaths in over 75s). Even when we have similar restrictions, people in Irelands movements/contacts are less as the follow guidelines more closely (ERSI have reports comparing attitudes in Rep and Northern Ireland at different dates. Hope all this is taking into account.

    I wouldn't hold out much hope. The last model Philip Nolan showed us back in May used some very high level assumptions for the R rate. It was a particularly light weight piece of work.


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