Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

zackory wrote: »

Many GPs would like a two- or three-week delay to reopening indoor dining so more people can be vaccinated, Nphet member Dr Mary Favier has said.

The former president of the Irish College of General Practitioners said it was now a race against the clock to vaccinate as many people as possible to protect them from the Delta variant and said, “an additional two or three weeks would make a substantial difference”.

It might also make a substantial difference to business operating indoor dining

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I'm so flattered that you went back through my posting history like that. Want to go to the dance tomorrow?

I'd say you're too tired from moving those goalposts all the time, you need a break. 😘

growleaves wrote: »

gozunda,
My point was that half the world is barred from the US, so our being barred from the US isn't some uniquely bad thing.

I wouldn't call it a theory but lockdowns seem create their own antithesis - the isolation gets to people and then you get explosions of socialising after or even during lockdown. That is used to justify the next lockdown but it ought to make people realise the whole exercise is self-negating.

Settled married couples or people who prefer to be alone anyway (and anyone not inconvenienced by atomisation) should not huff and puff about "why can't people just stay in?"

They should make some kind of reconciliation with human nature. Stop pushing a rock up a hill only for it fall back down on you time after time.

OK. Fair enough. But the point about other countries - is simply we don't have to be like them.

Yeah I understand that people get fed up and frustrated by restrictions but that's not just young people - everyone does - including "settled married couples" etc.

And imho its not so much such frustrations being used to "justify the next lockdown" or whatever. Rather certainly pre vaccination rollout it was the rapid increase in numbers leading to increase in hospitalisation etc which led to restrictions being imposed.

Atm the main goal is to get as many vaccinated as possible. And that includes younger cohorts so we can all party safely with regard to both ourselves and others.

Klonker wrote: »

Did you happne to listen to Morning Ireland or Claire Byrne yesterday? Putting pressure on Ministers to say we're going to delay reopening. Having a load of zero covid lads on spreading the fear.

I don't think some people have copped on...

The media, the health bureaucrats and the politicians have all been in lock step since this started.

Has there ever been a time when this wasn't the case over the last 16 months?

zackory wrote: »

Many GPs would like a two- or three-week delay to reopening indoor dining so more people can be vaccinated, Nphet member Dr Mary Favier has said.

The former president of the Irish College of General Practitioners said it was now a race against the clock to vaccinate as many people as possible to protect them from the Delta variant and said, “an additional two or three weeks would make a substantial difference”.

Perhaps they could encourage those who would benefit from the delay to optionally avoid these premises for those two weeks! Not the same result but a significant way towards it!

KrustyUCC wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1408083334488641540

Yet the media and certain sections of NPHET are pushing for us not to ease restrictions on time

You know he's the RTE media man who covers the NPHET briefings most days...right?!!

namloc1980 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/taoiseach-says-sense-of-inevitability-about-progress-of-delta-variant-will-have-implications-for-restrictions-1.4602293

"Taoiseach Micheál Martin has spoken of a ‘sense of inevitability about the progress of the Delta variant’ that will have ‘implications for the type of restrictions that one would impose’."

What a leader. We're being repositioned now to imposition of restrictions rather than further relaxation.

No, it is very clear what goes on here. Putting extra restrictions in the mix makes delaying the next easing of restrictions the middle way.
It is the jewellers tactic: have one unaffordable diamond on the table, surrounded by one cheap one and one priced in the middle.
Giving the buyer the obvious choice.

https://mobile.twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1408083334488641540?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1408083334488641540%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rte.ie%2Fnews%2F2021%2F0624%2F1231127-covid-hse-briefing%2F

They have to justify a delay which can’t be done on today’s numbers

KrustyUCC wrote: »

He's in stark contrast to a lot of RTE coverage over the last few days

RTE love the doom and gloom and are pushing the narrative of why don't we delay reopening

Claire Byrne being a prime example

There was an embarrassing interview with Damien English on drivetime on Monday by a male presenter

Plenty of coverage in newspapers too

Look at Mary Faviers interview on Morning Ireland

2-3 weeks delay wanted by GPS

She's a member of NPHET

Why would the gp's want a delay, their vulnerable patients are vaccinated. Are they being inundated by covid cases?

rob316 wrote: »

I heard that Favier on the radio earlier, pure and utter scaremongering. They have absolutely no regard for anything but the health service, which in no possible scenario will experience the level of "stress" it was under in January again from Covid or any variant.

Unless leo and michael can find their balls next week, the 3 week delay is happening.

What are the "arrangements" for renumerating Dr Favier and the other members of NPHET ?

Will NPHET's finances be subject to inspection by the Comptroller & Auditor General ?

"WE,the people" are providing,almost directly,the funding for this "Expert Group",who as yet do not have to face direct opposing scrutiny to any of their projections and "recommendations".

Covid19,or whatever ye want to call it,is no longer a remotely direct threat to public health in Ireland,if it ever was.

What IS a significant and increasing threat to our collective health,is the continuing ramshackle state of the HSE's frontline services,a situation destined to continue as long as "We,the people continue to be cowed into fear-laden isolation and utter submission to,what has become an irrelevant group of Senior Civil Servants,Medical names and assorted mathematicians,statisticians and snake-oil salespeople.

At some point there will be a widespread awakening,but not quite yet as,I fear,too many ordinary people,Worldwide, have been literally frightened into submission.

Eamon Dunphy or Bill O'Herlihy once opined that..."This Renaldo fellah is a Cod".

I now know what that meant

Klonker wrote: »

Did you happne to listen to Morning Ireland or Claire Byrne yesterday? Putting pressure on Ministers to say we're going to delay reopening. Having a load of zero covid lads on spreading the fear.

Why would I watch or listen to Irish media? Is it any wonder this thread is in the shape it's in and everyone is getting worked up...

namloc1980 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/taoiseach-says-sense-of-inevitability-about-progress-of-delta-variant-will-have-implications-for-restrictions-1.4602293

"Taoiseach Micheál Martin has spoken of a ‘sense of inevitability about the progress of the Delta variant’ that will have ‘implications for the type of restrictions that one would impose’."

What a leader. We're being repositioned now to imposition of restrictions rather than further relaxation.

https://twitter.com/aoifemcl/status/1408012433441050624

Why do we have so many lockdown lovers in government compared to every other country in Europe? It's beyond a joke now. We did not elect Tony Holohan and NPHET to run the country, but seem to have granted him unlimited power.
Everywhere in Europe has opened indoor hospitality now. No doubt 'Delta Plus' will be used as an excuse in 4 weeks time.

No cost-benefit analysis of restrictions vs consideration of people's businesses and consideration of the nation's mental health at all.

They'll end up raising taxes later in the year for all these restrictions. The left are the most pro-lockdown and they wouldn't vote for them anyway. Nobody will thank them for this and they'll be wondering why they are tanking in the polls later in the year.

zackory wrote: »

It took the wind out of their sails, thankfully.

Time to open up a few random testing centres. Should get the numbers up.