Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

24-06-2021 04:58PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

It makes the whole thing more complicated and opens the government to complaints and outrage when all the dates keep filling up as they initially open - like the frustration with Ticketmaster when concert tickets sell out instantly.

I am in the US and got my vaccines under that system. It has its plusses, like you mentioned, but the Irish media would adore using it as a stick to beat the government when it is just simple supply and demand. I don't believe the Irish psyche could handle that system - it would keep Liveline going for weeks.

Really? Seems pretty straightforward to me. It worked for the UK too.

iamwhoiam · 24-06-2021 05:02PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

It makes the whole thing more complicated and opens the government to complaints and outrage when all the dates keep filling up as they initially open - like the frustration with Ticketmaster when concert tickets sell out instantly.

I am in the US and got my vaccines under that system. It has its plusses, like you mentioned, but the Irish media would adore using it as a stick to beat the government when it is just simple supply and demand. I don't believe the Irish psyche could handle that system - it would keep Liveline going for weeks.

I disagree . It was straightforward and easy to book in your age group in Canada and in London .

Turtwig · 24-06-2021 05:03PM

daydorunrun wrote: »

I wonder should we be doing antibody tests on people receiving their 1st vaccination- if it comes back positive for previous infection they should then be deemed fully vaccinated (1 jab + previous infection) Booster could then be considered at a later date? Would speed things up.

Absolutely not!
The labs are barely able even to do the necessary tests for patients in hospitals. Even if things were going smoothly the vaccinations are rapidly outpacing any antibody tests.

Foxtrol · 24-06-2021 05:20PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

Really? Seems pretty straightforward to me. It worked for the UK too.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I disagree . It was straightforward and easy to book in your age group in Canada and in London .

Can you explain to me how you avoid people and the media moaning when all the availability fills up initially for each age group or when there are never any 'good' times open?

MerlinSouthDub · 24-06-2021 05:28PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Puts us at 76.5 per 100. Updated EU table below:

Well I suppose we are climbing up the table a little bit. I want us to be Belgium though.

revelman · 24-06-2021 05:33PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Interesting chart of latest vaccination numbers. The fact that so many people in their 50s have been fully vaccinated can probably be explained by them mostly receiving Pfizer and Moderna

Virtually all J&J went to people in their fifties. That is well over 80k people fully vaccinated in one shot.

Lumen · 24-06-2021 05:37PM

DaSilva wrote: »

So you think the correct interpretation is that everybody who registered has been fully vaccinated since both numbers are equal?

There is no interpretation required. The tweet is either logical or mathematical garbage.

I can't believe this needs explaining.

24-06-2021 05:38PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Can you explain to me how you avoid people and the media moaning when all the availability fills up initially for each age group or when there are never any 'good' times open?

In the UK they opened one age group at a time. Sometimes there were issues with availablity but if you tried a few hours later or the next day, some new slots would have opened up. It worked well and I don't believe there was much moaning about it.

As for 'good times', we're in a health emergency here. It's not a time to be picky. The vast majority of people are willing to go at whatever time they can get, but it is easier if they have multiple appointment options rather than being told to be in a certain place at a certain time.

Who cares if a few cranks call up Joe Duffy for a whinge?

Skygord · 24-06-2021 05:52PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Interesting chart of latest vaccination numbers. The fact that so many people in their 50s have been fully vaccinated can probably be explained by them mostly receiving Pfizer and Moderna

At the risk of using the dreaded phrase "the next few weeks are vital" I think they are. Our most vulnerable aren't protected until those 60+ and cohorts 4 & 7 that got AZ have received their 2nd dose. ECDC predicts delta will be prevalent all over Europe by the end of August, and as it's taking off in the UK it will surely take off here in our unvaccinated.

With the plan to accelerate these AZ 2nd doses over the next 4 weeks, until those 60+ and cohorts 4 & 7 that got an AZ 1st dose, get their 2nd dose, we as a country are still at risk.

Logic suggests no further opening up of restrictions until our most vulnerable are protected.

astrofool · 24-06-2021 05:56PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

In the UK they opened one age group at a time. Sometimes there were issues with availablity but if you tried a few hours later or the next day, some new slots would have opened up. It worked well and I don't believe there was much moaning about it.

As for 'good times', we're in a health emergency here. It's not a time to be picky. The vast majority of people are willing to go at whatever time they can get, but it is easier if they have multiple appointment options rather than being told to be in a certain place at a certain time.

Who cares if a few cranks call up Joe Duffy for a whinge?

I think it's more that it's unneeded, take up is good, those most at risk are getting it first, everyone will get their turn, why change it so a few people can take advantage of scripts to get their shots while others get annoyed at no slots being open.

muddypuppy · 24-06-2021 05:59PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Absolutely not!
The labs are barely able even to do the necessary tests for patients in hospitals. Even if things were going smoothly the vaccinations are rapidly outpacing any antibody tests.

I do think we have spare capacity at the moment, the last reported numbers (a month ago) for swabs were around 18-19k a day, and I would expect this to have decreased. We even have walk-in centres and free test for people that travels, which I'm sure would be deprioritised if there was any capacity issue. At peak I think we were able to do over 25k tests.
But yes it's still absolutely not possible, as we would need to do an extra 40k tests a day.

eoinbn · 24-06-2021 06:13PM

muddypuppy wrote: »

I do think we have spare capacity at the moment, the last reported numbers (a month ago) for swabs were around 18-19k a day, and I would expect this to have decreased. We even have walk-in centres and free test for people that travels, which I'm sure would be deprioritised if there was any capacity issue. At peak I think we were able to do over 25k tests.
But yes it's still absolutely not possible, as we would need to do an extra 40k tests a day.

You are mixing antibody testing with antigen testing. Two different things.

IRISHSPORTSGUY · 24-06-2021 06:20PM

We got a decent shipment of AstraZeneca this week and will get a huge one next week so expect that empty over 60's space to fill in in the near future.

Strazdas · 24-06-2021 06:27PM

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

We got a decent shipment of AstraZeneca this week and will get a huge one next week so expect that empty over 60's space to fill in in the near future.

From what I've heard, they expect the vast bulk of AZ second doses to be completed in the next two / three weeks - by around July 12th or so.

Foxtrol · 24-06-2021 07:00PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

In the UK they opened one age group at a time. Sometimes there were issues with availablity but if you tried a few hours later or the next day, some new slots would have opened up. It worked well and I don't believe there was much moaning about it.

Have you seen the difference in the amount of moaning from the Irish media and the English or US? The Irish media have non-stop been running the worst case scenario and I guarantee it would have been the same when people logged in and there was no availability using that system. Claire Byrne would be giddy to run stories about how there are 'vaccine hunters' trying to help people find slots, a thing that was rampant with this system in the US and still is in Canada.

As for 'good times', we're in a health emergency here. It's not a time to be picky. The vast majority of people are willing to go at whatever time they can get, but it is easier if they have multiple appointment options rather than being told to be in a certain place at a certain time.

Who cares if a few cranks call up Joe Duffy for a whinge?

I don't get your logic here at all, you seem to be making my point for me.

The OP is the one that is being picky, complaining that Irish people aren't getting their choice of time to schedule their vaccine like other nations.

I agree with it being a health emergency and that is why the simplest system is to give people a set time and allow them to reschedule if they can't make it - the one the Irish system is using and people are complaining about.

ShineOn7 · 24-06-2021 07:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Vaccines working fantastically against the Delta variant in Israel.
https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1408124224200392712?s=21

I'm getting a "Tweet unavailable" message

How were you after your second Pfzer btw?

ACitizenErased · 24-06-2021 07:11PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I'm getting a "Tweet unavailable" message

How were you after your second Pfzer btw?

Updated link:
https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1408125312626577412?s=21

Was just very very tired, no pains or anything

thecretinhop · 24-06-2021 07:12PM

link not working?

Tyrone212 · 24-06-2021 07:16PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Updated link:
https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1408125312626577412?s=21

Was just very very tired, no pains or anything

A reporter posted the same tweet as above but then had this underneath

Worth noting that data from the Health Ministry reportedly shows 50% of vaccinated people who caught the Delta variant developing symptoms so the data is conflicting.

thecretinhop · 24-06-2021 07:16PM

working now great stuff. tired sore a sniffles thats it feeling better now az yesterday. is it weird but both jabs after i thought my smell and taste improved dramatically it fades back after a few days...

ACitizenErased · 24-06-2021 07:18PM

Tyrone212 wrote: »

A reporter posted the same tweet as above but then had this underneath

Worth noting that data from the Health Ministry reportedly shows 50% of vaccinated people who caught the Delta variant developing symptoms so the data is conflicting.

As long as they aren’t hospitalised the vaccine’s working as intended.

wonski · 24-06-2021 07:23PM

Applied for vaccination on 21st.

Appointment on 28/06 confirmed.

39 years old.

24-06-2021 07:37PM

wonski wrote: »

Applied for vaccination on 21st.

Appointment on 28/06 confirmed.

39 years old.

What part of the country?

baldbear · 24-06-2021 07:52PM

Mate 39 got his appointment for next Monday. Wicklow.

Bellie1 · 24-06-2021 08:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

As long as they aren’t hospitalised the vaccine’s working as intended.

Why is everyone ignoring long covid? Genuine question. The numbers of people , all ages, having long term symptoms is apparently quite high, even when they only mild symptoms. Can't wait until they show that vaccines prevent long term symptoms also, then I'll relax.

Qrt · 24-06-2021 08:21PM

Bellie1 wrote: »

Why is everyone ignoring long covid? Genuine question. The numbers of people , all ages, having long term symptoms is apparently quite high, even when they only mild symptoms. Can't wait until they show that vaccines prevent long term symptoms also, then I'll relax.

Considering I’ve been hearing that vaccination has had a good impact on countering long covid symptoms, I think you can relax a bit.

wonski · 24-06-2021 08:23PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What part of the country?

Kildare County.

Vaccination to be done at Punchestown.

dominatinMC · 24-06-2021 08:25PM

Bellie1 wrote: »

Why is everyone ignoring long covid? Genuine question. The numbers of people , all ages, having long term symptoms is apparently quite high, even when they only mild symptoms. Can't wait until they show that vaccines prevent long term symptoms also, then I'll relax.

Have you any statistics for this statement?

Maybe if you stay indoors for the foreseeable future you can relax, whilst the rest of us get on with living.

ACitizenErased · 24-06-2021 08:32PM

Bellie1 wrote: »

Why is everyone ignoring long covid? Genuine question. The numbers of people , all ages, having long term symptoms is apparently quite high, even when they only mild symptoms. Can't wait until they show that vaccines prevent long term symptoms also, then I'll relax.

There's no evidence to back this up.

everlast75 · 24-06-2021 09:05PM

I'm fully on board with vaccines, had my firsr 2 weeks ago, hoping to get the 2nd friday week.

Fully on board with easing of restrictions.

I do have a concern about mutations and therefore am not clamouring for doing away with masks and hand sanitising.

Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

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