Shocking testimony from Britney Spears

Shelga · 24-06-2021 9:05am #1

I know there's a Britney thread in Celebrity & Showbiz, but traffic there is minimal.

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2021/0623/1231008-britney-spears-tells-us-court-i-want-my-life-back/

Britney Spears was finally able to speak at length yesterday about her subjugation at the hands of her father, in the form of a conservatorship, where she has no control over her own life.

Some of the shocking statements include being forced to be on birth control, being forced to be on lithium which makes her feel drunk, forced to go to therapy which she has no say over, and feeling angry and depressed. She didn't even know she was allowed to apply for the conservatorship to end. 13 years this has been going on!

How does a legal system exist which allows these kinds of conditions? She said the judge made her feel like she was dead, the last time she spoke. The whole thing is deeply disturbing. The woman has had no autonomy, no freedom, for well over a decade now. Thoughts?

Normal One · 24-06-2021 10:09am

Her Da’s a bit of a Fritzl isn’t he

suicide_circus · 24-06-2021 10:13am

Leave Britney alone!!!

KKkitty · 24-06-2021 10:16am

Where's her mother in all of this? Why was no one there for her to get her away from the conservatorship? It saddens me that all she wants is to have a normal life but hasn't been able to.

lisasimpson · 24-06-2021 10:25am

Thing could get a lot more interesting when her kids reach adulthood and are free to talk. Mad she gets a weekly allowance to go to starbuck while the dad is pocketing thousands from her conservatorship

Donald Trump · 24-06-2021 10:45am

Normal One wrote: »

Her Da’s a bit of a Fritzl isn’t he

Well she might not be an Ivanka but if Britney was your daughter you'd want to date her too

SEPT 23 1989 · 24-06-2021 10:47am

her supporters are an odd bunch

Normal One · 24-06-2021 11:30am

Donald Trump wrote: »

Well she might not be an Ivanka but if Britney was your daughter you'd want to date her too

No Donald, bad Donald. Back in your box Donald.

Donald Trump · 24-06-2021 11:38am

Normal One wrote: »

No Donald, bad Donald. Back in your box Donald.

Hit me baby

One more time

24-06-2021 11:42am

Isn’t the standard of posting supposed to be higher here?

Anyway I don’t know much about the woman but this conservatorship sounds like legalised slavery in many ways.

Pretty amazing the courts have mandated it.

randd1 · 24-06-2021 11:42am

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

her supporters are an odd bunch

Yeah, they're a bit special alright, some of them are completely off the wall.

How anyone could believe any of their "evidence" they post online is beyond me.

chopperbyrne · 24-06-2021 11:44am

KKkitty wrote: »

Where's her mother in all of this? Why was no one there for her to get her away from the conservatorship? It saddens me that all she wants is to have a normal life but hasn't been able to.

There was a documentary about Britney in about 2004.

In it, a guy alleged that her mother tried to get her into a relationship with him, when he was 20, and she was 14.

Donald Trump · 24-06-2021 11:45am

fvp4 wrote: »

Isn’t the standard of posting supposed to be higher here?

Out of all the crap that gets posted on the site.....poor oul' Britney seems a strange choice of topic to make a stand on.

Calahonda52 · 24-06-2021 11:46am

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

her supporters are an odd bunch

they are her supporters, the rest is opinion which matters of course

what did you achieve at 16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-u5WLJ9Yk4
625m views

24-06-2021 11:47am

Donald Trump wrote: »

Out of all the crap that gets posted on the site.....poor oul' Britney seems a strange choice of topic to make a stand on.

Seems like she’s living a horrible existence regardless of who she is.

Wibbs · 24-06-2021 11:48am

Shelga wrote: »

How does a legal system exist which allows these kinds of conditions?

When there is a large chunk of money to be made and a system that actively supports more money more "justice" it's not that much of a shock.

Reading the transcript of her testimony she does come across as quite confused, rambling and even troubled. The medical details of the reasons for her conservatorship are sealed, but the fact it was granted in the first place and that her kids were given sole guardianship to her ex partner suggests she was at least in a troubled place with mental illness at the time and has been undergoing treatment since. It would be pretty rare for such a conservatorship of an adult to be granted, especially such a high profile one. That said that they went for and were granted the nuclear option is concerning and that this has been kept in place since and that she has been performing and earning millions for others, others who are in control of that conservatorship and her is very troubling indeed. If she were that mentally ill, then how do they justify pimping her out for money? Why wasn't she treated if what she suffers from can be treated, so that she may live some sort of normal life out of the spotlight and the money earning?

24-06-2021 11:49am

A truly ****ed up legal system.

Donald Trump · 24-06-2021 11:54am

fvp4 wrote: »

Seems like she’s living a horrible existence regardless of who she is.

I agree 100% on that.

There is not much than be said otherwise on the matter as regards what could be being posted here for high-brow discussion. I'm sure that those rules or systems exist or were set up for a genuine reason. And those rules are possibly then being abused for other motivations. But it is in a foreign jurisdiction and she is a fairly famous (ex-?) celebrity. There are many worse things happening in the world right now

B.A._Baracus · 24-06-2021 11:57am

All this talk about free Britney and all that. But reality is you don't get thrown into legal things like this unless not all your dogs are barking.

AMKC · 24-06-2021 11:58am

So when it came out about her getting to speak at first yesterday it was Sky I think who said Britney had came out and said she was 1000000 per cent happy with the conservatorship and then it got all changed and she is not happy at all which is good to hear. She should be let put of it to live her life and if she has a mental illness well then she should be given help for it.

chopperbyrne · 24-06-2021 11:59am

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

All this talk about free Britney and all that. But reality is you don't get thrown into legal things like this unless not all your dogs are barking.

She clearly had severe mental health issues at the time.

But does that mean that 13 years later, she should have no bodily autonomy at all?

tea and coffee · 24-06-2021 11:59am

We may not be privvy to all the details, but my goodness there are far "worse" parents out there in charge of kids, and their own lives.
Why was this very austere, drastic decision taken in this instance?

listermint · 24-06-2021 12:00pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

All this talk about free Britney and all that. But reality is you don't get thrown into legal things like this unless not all your dogs are barking.

Equally you shouldn't be performing like a dancing bear.

So this whole thing is very problematic.

ForestFire · 24-06-2021 12:04pm

Could with get Mary Robinson to head over and have a quite chat with her.....she seems to be well versed in these types of situations......??!

B.A._Baracus · 24-06-2021 12:17pm

chopperbyrne wrote: »

She clearly had severe mental health issues at the time.

But does that mean that 13 years later, she should have no bodily autonomy at all?

That's the kicker. What has she done or said to warrant it on-going.

13 years is a long time. She can state anything she did back then was a different person and what not. Has to be something currently....

lisasimpson · 24-06-2021 1:21pm

If she was that unwell she wouldnt have earned over 30million in those 13 years by having a vegas residency or as a judge on american x factor

the purple tin · 24-06-2021 1:23pm

It sounds a little bit like that Black Mirror episode with Miley Cyrus.

silverharp · 24-06-2021 1:45pm

Rose McGowan comes to her defence, is she giving a fair description of events, sounds really bad if not following it

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1408040493309698053

Faugheen · 24-06-2021 1:51pm

lisasimpson wrote: »

If she was that unwell she wouldnt have earned over 30million in those 13 years by having a vegas residency or as a judge on american x factor

Actually, they pulled the Vegas residency and has refused to perform until it’s lifted.

Nice gaslighting though. Suggesting she’s actually grand when she was very, very ill when it was slapped on her.

She doesn’t get a penny, she isn’t allowed her passport. She has an IUD and needs her father’s permission to have it removed so she can have a family.

Why are you turning this into a ‘shes grand’ scenario? How would you feel in her shoes?

Dontfadeaway · 24-06-2021 1:55pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

All this talk about free Britney and all that. But reality is you don't get thrown into legal things like this unless not all your dogs are barking.

I think at the time it was needed, but she basically said they are forcing her to work and it’s for their benefit.

The whole forcing her to have an Iud is disgusting. It doesn’t seem like any of her family are looking out for her, seems like they are only there for the money which is just sad.

Dontfadeaway · 24-06-2021 1:57pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Actually, they pulled the Vegas residency and has refused to perform until it’s lifted.

Nice gaslighting though. Suggesting she’s actually grand when she was very, very ill when it was slapped on her.

She doesn’t get a penny, she isn’t allowed her passport. She has an IUD and needs her father’s permission to have it removed so she can have a family.

Why are you turning this into a ‘shes grand’ scenario? How would you feel in her shoes?

I think they meant if she is fit to work, then she isn’t as unwell as her father is making out her to be.

Vaccinated30 · 24-06-2021 2:07pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Actually, they pulled the Vegas residency and has refused to perform until it’s lifted.

Nice gaslighting though. Suggesting she’s actually grand when she was very, very ill when it was slapped on her.

She doesn’t get a penny, she isn’t allowed her passport. She has an IUD and needs her father’s permission to have it removed so she can have a family.

Why are you turning this into a ‘shes grand’ scenario? How would you feel in her shoes?

They pulled it only because she refused to perform. The only control she has in the situation is to not perform. She can't even have her IUD (The Coil) removed

Mrcaramelchoc · 24-06-2021 2:11pm

i love the way all the celebs are all falling over themselves to support britney now.but there was no one around when she went bat **** crazy a few years back.
they dropped her like she was dare i say "toxic".
****ing hypocrites.

fergiesfolly · 24-06-2021 2:18pm

That poor woman was basically bred to fulfill her parents financial and fame hungry ambitions. Sycophantic cretins have destoyed her life and I hope once she's free from her father's grasp, she finds a little peace.

Mrs OBumble · 24-06-2021 2:18pm

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

The whole forcing her to have an Iud is disgusting. It doesn’t seem like any of her family are looking out for her, seems like they are only there for the money which is just sad.

She's already had some kids, and must have treated them pretty damn badly that they are in the sole custody of their father. So stopping her from abusing any more kids is probably a good idea.

She is being treated for her on-going, probably life-long, medical issues. Lithium and therapy are pretty standard treatments. Given half a chance, she'd stop them and go back to the state she was in before treatment. Again, not a great idea.

BorneTobyWilde · 24-06-2021 2:22pm

Her 50m estate''

50m , wtf

Where did the 5 billion she generated go

Neyite · 24-06-2021 2:30pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

She's already had some kids, and must have treated them pretty damn badly that they are in the sole custody of their father. So stopping her from abusing any more kids is probably a good idea.

She is being treated for her on-going, probably life-long, medical issues. Lithium and therapy are pretty standard treatments. Given half a chance, she'd stop them and go back to the state she was in before treatment. Again, not a great idea.

Where is your proof that she abused her kids?

Where is your proof of her health diagnosis?

Jafin · 24-06-2021 2:34pm

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

i love the way all the celebs are all falling over themselves to support britney now.but there was no one around when she went bat **** crazy a few years back.
they dropped her like she was dare i say "toxic".
****ing hypocrites.

Times have changed. Nobody really spoke about mental health back all that much back then and it was quite a taboo subject, whereas it's really started coming to the foreground in the past few years.

I'm not disagreeing with your comment by any means, I'm sure a lot of celebrities and people are indeed hypocrites, but I do think it's important to note that this change in attitude to mental health, and the understanding of it by the masses, is a relatively recent phenomenon. I am guilty of not understanding it in the past myself, and I probably laughed too when I saw images of her breakdown back in the late 2000s. Those images of her with a shaved head brandishing an umbrella probably caused a lot of us to laugh. Thankfully I have grown and I understand it more now, and many more probably have too.

B.A._Baracus · 24-06-2021 2:41pm

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

I think at the time it was needed, but she basically said they are forcing her to work and it’s for their benefit.

The whole forcing her to have an Iud is disgusting. It doesn’t seem like any of her family are looking out for her, seems like they are only there for the money which is just sad.

Oh totally. that dad of hers wants her money. That's his business like.

This whole thing is crazy. Like this is Britney Spears. She's still on TV. She's not some randomer living down the street who anyone barely sees. You could say anything to a judge to keep control of them. Can't function properly, can't make their own dinner, I dunno. Judge would only see how the person acts in the court room.

But with Britney you see her on TV. She has her facilities about her. Which makes you think what does her father have over her that he can continue to do this? Like did Britney try to kill herself or something is that his trump card?

Is the real britney much worse than she comes off and we don't know?

Its all so very strange.

anndub · 24-06-2021 2:45pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

She's already had some kids, and must have treated them pretty damn badly that they are in the sole custody of their father. So stopping her from abusing any more kids is probably a good idea.

She is being treated for her on-going, probably life-long, medical issues. Lithium and therapy are pretty standard treatments. Given half a chance, she'd stop them and go back to the state she was in before treatment. Again, not a great idea.

This reads like something from the early half of the last century. Let's remove all human rights, choice and autonomy from those with mental illness and maybe employ forced sterilisation while we're at it. Anything to be said for bringing back asylums? Forget this new age nonsense of treating the crazies like human beings.

Sweet Jesus

B.A._Baracus · 24-06-2021 2:52pm

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

i love the way all the celebs are all falling over themselves to support britney now.but there was no one around when she went bat **** crazy a few years back.
they dropped her like she was dare i say "toxic".
****ing hypocrites.

Ghouls. The lot of them

But that's one thing I do hate about the entertainment industry. Its all about which way the wind blows.

If somehow (and magically) Harvey Weinstein got revealed to be innocent tomorrow, they'd all be saying how they never believed it and how he is a lovely man :pac:

ax530 · 24-06-2021 3:06pm

shocking that this can happen no doubt Britney not the only one in this situation, a form of slavery

the purple tin · 24-06-2021 3:09pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Her 50m estate''

50m , wtf

Where did the 5 billion she generated go

Probably fleeced by shysters in the music biz. It is amazing how many big musicians are screwed over by managers, accountants, labels etc without realising it.

B.A._Baracus · 24-06-2021 3:40pm

the purple tin wrote: »

Probably fleeced by shysters in the music biz. It is amazing how many big musicians are screwed over by managers, accountants, labels etc without realising it.

I used to wonder about that. Then it dawned on me...

Let's say me and you run some record label for example. You're the ceo and I'm a producer or whatever. We sign who we think is the next Lady Ga Ga to a three album deal. We take her from unknown to a star. She's just a product. For every million she gets, we have to make 20 off her. After those three records she could walk on over to Warner music leaving us.

Be it an actor or a singer, the real money is made by suits behind closed doors. I had to search it but it appears ceo of Warner music is named Stephen Cooper and has an estimated net worth of 200 million lol. He's minted lol.

Dontfadeaway · 24-06-2021 4:02pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

She's already had some kids, and must have treated them pretty damn badly that they are in the sole custody of their father. So stopping her from abusing any more kids is probably a good idea.

She is being treated for her on-going, probably life-long, medical issues. Lithium and therapy are pretty standard treatments. Given half a chance, she'd stop them and go back to the state she was in before treatment. Again, not a great idea.

There is no proof she abused her kids? We don’t know the reason she doesn’t have custody. Her kids have said they do not like her dad.

Podge_irl · 24-06-2021 4:07pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG2pEffLEJo

America has, as with so many things in life, taken something ostensibly designed to protect people, commoditised it and industrialised it and left it in the hands of for-profit businesses whose only interest is milking as much money out of the system as possible.

This situation is particularly odd/egregious as it involves a much younger person but it does indeed happen to many people in the States and there is no real reason to assume its happening for good reasons.

Shebean · 24-06-2021 4:34pm

Reminds me of that documentary, now a film, 'I care a lot'.
Basically they turn up at elderly peoples doors and take one of them and put them in a home they run, then the court gives them power of attorney and they cash in. All levels in on it.
I think of that when I think of Britney. Her father is abusing her to make money for himself.

the purple tin · 24-06-2021 4:53pm

Shebean wrote: »

Reminds me of that documentary, now a film, 'I care a lot'.
Basically they turn up at elderly peoples doors and take one of them and put them in a home they run, then the court gives them power of attorney and they cash in. All levels in on it.
I think of that when I think of Britney. Her father is abusing her to make money for himself.

Just like that crooked chidren's prison in US a few years ago. They got paid so much every month for every child they were holding so the warden had a deal with the local children's court judge to send him loads of kids.

Even for really minor petty crimes he was giving them sentence of 2 years or more. Then the warden was also holding onto prisoners after they had finished their sentence. Him and the judge were splitting the money :eek:

Mrs OBumble · 24-06-2021 5:03pm

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

There is no proof she abused her kids? We don’t know the reason she doesn’t have custody. Her kids have said they do not like her dad.

Yeah right, 'cos mothers lose custody of their kids for no reason.:rolleyes:

Just like doctors prescribe lithium for no reason.

If you want to stop child abuse in general, you need to stop children being created in abusive situations.

BattleCorp · 24-06-2021 5:24pm

I don't think there is any proof in the public domain that Spears abused her kids so it's a stretch to accuse her of that. But sole custody of her children wasn't given to their father for nothing. At the very least, Spears was viewed by the courts as being incapable of caring adequately for her children.

Secondly, the Conservatorship wasn't granted by the courts for nothing either. Spears went through a very public mental health breakdown and was clearly incapable of managing her affairs 'at that particular time'.

Has she sufficiently recovered to regain control of her affairs; to be honest I don't know. I guess that has to be down to how the courts view evidence of her current mental health condition. She does still seem to get confused rather easily when she gives interviews which isn't a good sign.

McGinniesta · 24-06-2021 5:24pm

I'm not familiar with the process of conservatorship.

Does it bare any resemblance with the ward of court system?

Shocking testimony from Britney Spears

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