Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

MerlinSouthDub · 23-06-2021 03:05PM

I'm getting a bit frustrated by the lack of good data on our vaccine supplies and rollout but the following seems to be the current state of play:

- We have administered 3.7 million vaccines (see Paul Reid in the article below)
- We are administering 300,000 vaccines next week (baffling that we are administering a lower number compared to last week, when we received recorded supplies of Pfizer this week...)
- We will then do 300,000 a week for "another couple of weeks" per Paul Reid. Again, that sounds too low. We should have received 5 million+ doses by end of June (based on data in other EU countries), so we'll have over 1 million in stock. Even without accounting for new stocks received in July, we should be easily able to do 300,000+ a week for all of July with the stock levels we have.
- there is no sign of us being able to ramp up to 450,000 doses (as was promised) and we do have the supplies to do that
- Paul Reid seems to be moaning about the lack of J& J supplies but we are nowhere near using up the doses we have from other suppliers so I'm not clear what we would do with J&J even if we got it.
- there is pretty much no proper media scrutiny of our vaccine rollout (which is 2 weeks behind where Belgium is at, for example)

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/deliveries-of-johnson-johnson-vaccine-to-republic-near-worst-case-estimates-1.4601362

Wolf359f · 23-06-2021 03:55PM

Mr.S wrote: »

My only issue with AstraZenica is that it’s not an a few approved vaccine lists, eg FDA in the US. So if you wanted to travel to the US in the future you’d likely need to get another vaccine which is just annoying.

Eg; https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/18/bruce-springsteen-fans-with-astrazeneca-vaccine-barred-from-shows-14794691/

Article is out of date. They reserved that policy.
There's no way the US will not allow in Mexican or Canadian workers/visitors as they received AZ, let alone the rest of the world.

RavenBea17b · 23-06-2021 03:57PM

Mr.S wrote: »

My only issue with AstraZenica is that it’s not an a few approved vaccine lists, eg FDA in the US. So if you wanted to travel to the US in the future you’d likely need to get another vaccine which is just annoying.

Eg; https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/18/bruce-springsteen-fans-with-astrazeneca-vaccine-barred-from-shows-14794691/

No, it is an WHO approved vaccine, so US visit should not be an issue - imagine the issues with its neighbour Canada and Mexico alone.

RavenBea17b · 23-06-2021 04:20PM

Although this is a vaccines thread, I every now and then take a look at this website. Very informative of variant situations around the world. India figures look a bit strange, but as the Delta is the variant pretty much 100%, I assume the sequenced numbers are low now at the moment (plus amount of testing et).
The last time I looked at this, the US was 10%, that was only a few days ago... The important thing is the vaccines do what they are designed to do, reduce hospital admissions and serious covid. Importance of getting the second injection is clear.

Belgium's Germany and Netherlands numbers also jumped a lot as have Irelands since I started looking.

https://www.gisaid.org/hcov19-variants/

Goldengirl · 23-06-2021 04:25PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I had dose 2 of AZ yesterday and absolutely am not imagining my symptoms today . My arm is throbbing , my shoulders are aching as are my upper thighs
I have the heat on because I am frozen and feel shivery . I woke last night exactly 12 hours post vaccinated and my toes had pins and needles and my left knee ( which is a tad dodgy when i go upstairs ) was litterly throbbing with pain

Also people have reported old injuries becoming painful again .
Hope you feel better soon .

RavenBea17b · 23-06-2021 04:32PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Also people have reported old injuries becoming painful again .
Hope you feel better soon .

That is true. I have also read that people have also reported back pain reduction, skin conditions improved. It really is a mystery so far, but I would be surprised if this wasn't being looked at .

Goldengirl · 23-06-2021 04:34PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Unless they reduce the second dose gap to 4 weeks inline with Pfizer & Moderna, I don't think the uptake will be high. I'd imagine in light of the Delta variant, NIAC may change their risk assessment regarding younger people and AZ etc...

I think you are right .
Risk vs benefit ratio in those younger age groups has been altered due to a more transmissible variant expected to be in circulation.

Goldengirl · 23-06-2021 04:37PM

RavenBea17b wrote: »

That is true. I have also read that people have also reported back pain reduction, skin conditions improved. It really is a mystery so far, but I would be surprised if this wasn't being looked at .

Yes. A myriad of autoimmune and inflammatory diseases that may or may not be affected insome way , both by the virus and now to some extent the vaccine .

iamwhoiam · 23-06-2021 04:39PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Also people have reported old injuries becoming painful again .
Hope you feel better soon .

Thank you I feel more human now 26 hours post vaccine . The strangest thing was a very very old appendix scar started to be annoying during the night . I haven’t felt any bother from it for about 50 years !!!

Goldengirl · 23-06-2021 04:41PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

An unexpected morning for myself, had an appointment with the GP near work, I've been a few times as it's right beside my office (not my normal GP) , anyway appointment was for a normal screening, blood pressure etc , all just to get a cert to take part in an upcoming medical for a potential job. Asked the GP where the practice was with vaccines and he said cohort 4 done, 7 almost done and starting on the over 30s in the practice this week, said I could hear in probably 3-4 weeks or so from them about getting a vaccine from the practice (I'm 26), end of July start of August time, grand no problem and off I went.

Phone call an hour later, we've spare doses are you still in the area, 10 minutes later I was starting my 15 minute observation period. Pfizer dose 2 in 4 weeks time.

They'd 2 spare doses drawn up that needed to be used asap.

In general that practice seem to be following the HSE priority group but for anyone waiting definitely worth asking the GP if they've some sort of waiting list if there's spare doses.

Brilliant news , take care .

Goldengirl · 23-06-2021 04:43PM

Knex* wrote: »

The optics of doing that after telling people under 50 that it wasn't safe, and taking the decision out of their hands initially, isn't super.

Better late than never, I guess. But I really wish they had just let people opt in months ago and we'd be in a much better position.

It was / is never about the optics with NIAC .
All about relative safety to risk .

Goldengirl · 23-06-2021 04:46PM

Toodles_27 wrote: »

I know this has been asked before but can’t find the answer:

Received appointment for 1st jab at MVC today but was called 2 weeks ago by gp and got it there. No option to reply No. do you just ring and tell them? Don’t want to be holding up available jab for someone else.

Yes . Ring the HSE helpline .

PTH2009 · 23-06-2021 04:46PM

When will 31s be allowed register ?

Goldengirl · 23-06-2021 04:50PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Leo's been touting giving AZ and J&J to the younger age groups with months now. It's NIACs call. Not his. I think only the risk of a high prevalence of cases would cause NIAC to change their stance.

Yeah, vaccines are funny certain medications interfere with the responses of vaccines. There's not been enough time to figure what these are for the covid vaccines. While paracetamol taken in advance to alleviate side effects does appear to weaken the response to flu vaccines. As far as I'm aware there's nothing to suggest this is case for the covid vaccines. After two doses people show more or less the same level of antibody response for a raft of different medications.

Also worth pointing out it's still believed the flu jab recipients on regular paracetamol still got got effective protection from the vaccine.

I know a lot of HCWs took paracetamol prophylactically as given jab while working !
I was lucky , was off duty and came in for my first one , just got through the day with the second one and was off for a few days afterwards .
Workin ok so far

Goldengirl · 23-06-2021 04:56PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Thank you I feel more human now 26 hours post vaccine . The strangest thing was a very very old appendix scar started to be annoying during the night . I haven’t felt any bother from it for about 50 years !!!

Probably wake up in a few months time with no scar at all !

thecretinhop · 23-06-2021 05:01PM

2nd az dose 8 days after new. top bananna. huge numbers in gcc. car park full people parking on grass

Cork2021 · 23-06-2021 05:26PM

I’m 100% taking my vaccine when given and will 100% get the second dose. But crap like this just makes you wonder what’s it all for in the end?
The point of vaccines is stop us getting sick not catching Covid!
https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1407428387216494598?s=21

Necro · 23-06-2021 05:26PM

Some posts deleted. Folks can we keep it civil and remain on topic please.

ACitizenErased · 23-06-2021 05:27PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

I’m 100% taking my vaccine when given and will 100% get the second dose. But crap like this just makes you wonder what’s it all for in the end?
The point of vaccines is stop us getting sick not catching Covid!
https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1407428387216494598?s=21

Israel have about 60% vaccinated. The actions are to protect the 40%, not the vaccinated.
The subtitle of the article is literally "For second straight day, dozens of students contract COVID"

astrofool · 23-06-2021 05:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

My three weeks is coming up this Sunday. Not sure what I'm supposed to do.

Not sure how true it is, but I checked on the phone (just in case there was an eircode or registration issue) and was told because I'm actually 39 (born 1981) that the 3 week counter didn't start till 20th June, they didn't seem to know that registration was based on birth year, but this group were doing appointments purely by age (which is fine).

crossman47 · 23-06-2021 06:42PM

I must drive someone to Croke Park for vaccine. Where is the centre and is there any parking?

odyssey06 · 23-06-2021 06:48PM

crossman47 wrote: »

I must drive someone to Croke Park for vaccine. Where is the centre and is there any parking?

Jones Road (roughly where it meets Russell Avenue).
There is free parking and a drop off point at the Croke Park Hotel so set your satnav for there.

grazer · 23-06-2021 07:24PM

I was lucky enough to get my first Pfizer vaccination in the Aviva in Dublin (registered based on age). I got a text for my second vaccine, but had to click “new” to reschedule. An auto message said they’d be in touch in coming weeks.
Anyone else do this, and how long was the delay?

OwlsZat · 23-06-2021 10:15PM

I'm 34 due to get married end of August and have a honeymoon booked for the following week.

The portal only opening opening 39-34 has left me in a precarious position. Any chance I'll be fully vaccinated before I go? Or will we even be able to travel at all? Any advice what I should do?

roarlad · 23-06-2021 10:20PM

OwlsZat wrote: »

I'm 34 due to get married end of August and have a honeymoon booked for the following week.

The portal only opening opening 39-34 has left me in a precarious position. Any chance I'll be fully vaccinated before I go? Or will we even be able to travel at all? Any advice what I should do?

People seem to forget that you aren't fully vaccinated after your second dose..
With Pfizer/BioNTech its 7 days later.
With Moderna its 14 days later.

Either way, its 50/50 you'll have your second dose before the end of August, it depends on where you live..

23-06-2021 10:20PM

OwlsZat wrote: »

I'm 34 due to get married end of August and have a honeymoon booked for the following week.

The portal only opening opening 39-34 has left me in a precarious position. Any chance I'll be fully vaccinated before I go? Or will we even be able to travel at all? Any advice what I should do?

Where do you live, roughly?

araic88 · 23-06-2021 10:31PM

My consultant put me forward for vaccine "priority" in April. After waiting 6 weeks to hear, I was devastated that the appointment I was given clashed with a different appointment (not with that consultant) which I'd been waiting months for. I rang the helpline and was told I'd get a new vaccine appointment within three weeks, so I decided to cancel that one rather than possibly wait months for that other medical appointment.
Three weeks later, still no word. Rang helpline again yesterday and at first was told they couldn't help as I'm "only" 32. When I pushed it, they said they'd send it to their team to expedite it. Still nothing. Quite a few friends have randomly been able to get it through their GP practice, same age as me & no underlying conditions. Feel like a right eejit for being so thrilled back in April to be told I was getting it soon.
Any suggestions? I know my age group will be registering fairly soon but I still, the sooner the better.

lucernarian · 23-06-2021 10:35PM

araic88 wrote: »

My consultant put me forward for vaccine "priority" in April. After waiting 6 weeks to hear, I was devastated that the appointment I was given clashed with a different appointment (not with that consultant) which I'd been waiting months for. I rang the helpline and was told I'd get a new vaccine appointment within three weeks, so I decided to cancel that one rather than possibly wait months for that other medical appointment.
Three weeks later, still no word. Rang helpline again yesterday and at first was told they couldn't help as I'm "only" 32. When I pushed it, they said they'd send it to their team to expedite it. Still nothing. Quite a few friends have randomly been able to get it through their GP practice, same age as me & no underlying conditions. Feel like a right eejit for being so thrilled back in April to be told I was getting it soon.
Any suggestions? I know my age group will be registering fairly soon but I still, the sooner the better.

Very sorry to hear this. Options include calling HSE live again, calling your consultant's team and asking for options / advice, or going to a political representative. Have you called your GP also? And do you know if you're in cohort 4 or 7?

Beanybabog · 23-06-2021 10:35PM

OwlsZat wrote: »

I'm 34 due to get married end of August and have a honeymoon booked for the following week.

The portal only opening opening 39-34 has left me in a precarious position. Any chance I'll be fully vaccinated before I go? Or will we even be able to travel at all? Any advice what I should do?

Did you contact your GP? I’m not sure how it’s working but I know quite a few people now who have been given appointments early via their GP, one hadn’t even registered! And anecdotally, a relatives colleagues in late 20s got a vaccine last minute from their GP who didn’t want to waste them. It’d be worth putting in a call anyway

ACitizenErased · 23-06-2021 10:39PM

I wonder will Israel's strategy start to backfire.
Current vaccine stats:
Population vaccinated:
- 1st dose: 59.25% (+0.06)
- 2nd dose: 55.41% (-)

Virtually at a standstill for the last while and now cases are rising again among the unvaccinated.

Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

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