Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

lukas8888 · 20-06-2021 08:22PM

If they decide to implement the law as it stands regarding drinking outdoors the guards will end up having to close 90% of the pubs.Apart fom the unlicensed footpaths the majority of the rear beer gardens are also unlicensed as in nearly all cases the area covered by the license is almost always the physical building only.

hynesie08 · 20-06-2021 08:38PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

As said earlier this could of been avoided if they reopened Indoors but no its not safe but it is way safer than some poor souls been run down by a vehicle etc

If you're drinking in a pub that's putting tables in the middle of the road, then you can't claim it's a safe place

Coillte_Bhoy · 20-06-2021 08:48PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

It's either against the law or it isn't and gardai shouldn't be deciding which ones to enforce or not, at least in an ideal world. Also sounds like they just let the premises know so they can get it resolved or even petition to change the law.

:pac: Ya right, they do all the time especially re the licensing laws in norm al times

Tenzor07 · 20-06-2021 08:59PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

As said earlier this could of been avoided if they reopened Indoors but no its not safe but it is way safer than some poor souls been run down by a vehicle etc

About two more weeks to the opening of Pubs(indoors) reckon they should just leave the Pub/restaurant owners alone and concentrate on preventing the sorts of melee you see every day in city centres...

beggars_bush · 20-06-2021 09:34PM

Its the gardai's job to enforce legislation and laws

Blame the councillors and city council for not voting to change laws

stephenjmcd · 20-06-2021 09:47PM

Posted in another thread earlier, 2 of my mates are Gardai in Dublin City centre. Asked them earlier were / would they be enforcing it and it was a resounding no.

Anyway both on shift tonight queried it with their sergeants and were told use your discretion. They both said they've more important things to be doing than going into pubs and checking their licence and floor plan, won't be doing it.

irishproduce · 20-06-2021 10:27PM

I think with the amount of boxing and scrapping that's going on around the cities recently and associated with outdoor cafe pub culture we've adopted, it was only a matter of time before the Guards did something.
Unfortunately though, rather than tackle the problem head on, they've gone around it again so as to effect the change they want (less boxing and scrapping) without having to tackle it.

Same as the traveller wedding in the marquee recently, rather than tackle the problem straight on (the travellers) they go around it by finding a weaker link. In that case it was the sports club that owned the pitch and the business who rented the marquee.
I don't know what the word to describe it is, but I know what it looks and feels like. Unfortunately.

ShooterSF · 20-06-2021 11:27PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

:pac: Ya right, they do all the time especially re the licensing laws in norm al times

I know I've been on the end of it. Getting threats for refusing to serve half pissed guards after closing time, about being raided after 1am the following Saturday and if anyone was still on the premises...
I'm not saying they do or don't choose I'm saying they shouldn't. Including this law. If they want to influence the shape of our society they should be in politics not law enforcement. Government makes laws, police enforce them.
Sorry its just one thing I really hate about this country

Boggles · 21-06-2021 09:26AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah that isn't gonna happen.

Would assume it'll be sorted quickly. Clearly a few Gardai in Galway were bored over the weekend. Nothing of the like anywhere in Dublin anyway

I very much doubt it.

More than likely a "diligent" citizen reported it or some up the chain eager beaver discovered it.

Orders coming down from HQ in Dublin apparently.

MOH · 21-06-2021 11:11AM

beggars_bush wrote: »

Its the gardai's job to enforce legislation and laws

Be nice if they actually did that instead of trying to find new things to make a balls of enforcing.

stephenjmcd · 21-06-2021 03:01PM

Commissioner due to issue a directive this afternoon to all members that no pub or restaurant is to be penalised for serving in the newly created outdoor areas

Tenzor07 · 21-06-2021 03:22PM

Some common sense at last, I hope they take a case against the Government and win:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-asks-health-minister-to-explain-why-hotels-can-serve-people-indoors-while-other-restaurants-restricted-to-outdoor-dining-40562389.html

Allinall · 21-06-2021 03:28PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Some common sense at last, I hope they take a case against the Government and win:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-asks-health-minister-to-explain-why-hotels-can-serve-people-indoors-while-other-restaurants-restricted-to-outdoor-dining-40562389.html

I would have thought it was fairly obvious.

You can only stay in an hotel for essential reasons, and you obviously have to eat.

I can't think of any essential reason to go for a meal in a restaurant.

Tenzor07 · 21-06-2021 03:36PM

Allinall wrote: »

I can't think of any essential reason to go for a meal in a restaurant.

It's only essential to everyone who works at the restaurant trying to make a living, as well as people being able to go for a meal as they please... and there's no reason they shouldn't be allowed as a hotel guest would... whole point of the details in the link I posted..

Allinall · 21-06-2021 03:40PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

It's only essential to everyone who works at the restaurant trying to make a living, as well as people being able to go for a meal as they please... and there's no reason they shouldn't be allowed as a hotel guest would... whole point of the details in the link I posted..

Covid restrictions over-ride that. It's why we have PUP and grants for businesses.

It's also why supermarkets were never closed. Deemed essential. Clothes shops and others closed. Deemed non-essential.

You can argue the case for essential / non-essential, but it is the reason hotel restaurants are open to guests, and ordinary restaurants are closed for indoor dining.

I'm surprised the judge had to ask.

Tenzor07 · 21-06-2021 03:43PM

Allinall wrote: »

Covid restrictions over-ride that. It's why we have PUP and grants for businesses.
It's also why supermarkets were never closed. Deemed essential. Clothes shops and others closed. Deemed non-essential.
You can argue the case for essential / non-essential, but it is the reason hotel restaurants are open to guests, and ordinary restaurants are closed for indoor dining.
I'm surprised the judge had to ask.

Yea none of that holds any water now, Restaurants and hotel restaurants aren't any different in terms of catching Covid, so time to scrap the ridiculous rule:

Michael McDowell SC, appearing with Robinson Solicitors for the RAI and three businesses, said the statutory instrument had created a situation which was “ultra vires”, outside the powers of the minister.

He said this was because it lacked proportionality, the rationale for it was poor, and it was an unjustified interference with the property and economic rights of non-hotel restaurateurs.

Boggles · 21-06-2021 03:47PM

Very simple but rather unpalatable solution.

Close the hotels again.

Everyone loses.

Allinall · 21-06-2021 03:48PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Yea none of that holds any water now, Restaurants and hotel restaurants aren't any different in terms of catching Covid, so time to scrap the ridiculous rule:

That's just McDowell's opinion.

TheDoctor · 21-06-2021 03:53PM

Boggles wrote: »

Very simple but rather unpalatable solution.

Close the hotels again.

Everyone loses.

Or even easier, open them all.

Cut the ridiculous government overreach and nanny state.

Boggles · 21-06-2021 03:56PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Or even easier, open them all.

Cut the ridiculous government overreach and nanny state.

Yeah, we should just ranted and raved at the pandemic that would have sorted it.

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During the brief hearing Mr McDowell also said non-hotel restaurants providing outdoor dining were being prohibited from providing indoor toilet facilities for customers.

“If you go to an outdoor restaurant and order a meal, all the patrons are prohibited from entering into the restaurant and using the sanitary facilities. This is a serious and completely irrational prohibition

No idea what is going on here, at no time has this happened to me personally.

TheDoctor · 21-06-2021 03:58PM

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, we should just ranted and raved at the pandemic that would have sorted it.

Not sure who suggested ranting and raving but ok….

Boggles · 21-06-2021 04:15PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Not sure who suggested ranting and raving but ok….

TheDoctor wrote: »

Cut the ridiculous government overreach and nanny state.

Class A ranting and raving.

I pointed out a potential over whelming negative if the ruling was to favor the RAI, Captain Contrarian McDowell won't give a flying fúck he doesn't work off a no win no fee basis.

TheDoctor · 21-06-2021 04:19PM

Boggles wrote: »

Class A ranting and raving.

I pointed out a potential over whelming negative if the ruling was to favor the RAI, Captain Contrarian McDowell won't give a flying fúck he doesn't work off a no win no fee basis.

Sensitive soul if 8 words is ranting and raving.

gipi · 21-06-2021 04:22PM

Allinall wrote: »

I would have thought it was fairly obvious.

You can only stay in an hotel for essential reasons, and you obviously have to eat.

I can't think of any essential reason to go for a meal in a restaurant.

Eh, you can stay in a hotel for any reason since June 2nd....

Boggles · 21-06-2021 04:39PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Sensitive soul if 8 words is ranting and raving.

At no point did it offend me, I find it funny.

TheDoctor · 21-06-2021 04:48PM

Boggles wrote: »

At no point did it offend me, I find it funny.

Never asked if it offended you.

Was in stitches here though after your solution to the problem was close the hotels.

More covid delusions/hysteria.

Allinall · 21-06-2021 05:25PM

gipi wrote: »

Eh, you can stay in a hotel for any reason since June 2nd....

Ok. Didn’t realise that.

In that case, the restaurants have a good case.

Will be interesting to see the outcome.

Boggles · 21-06-2021 05:30PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Was in stitches here though after your solution to the problem was close the hotels.

Ain't my solution, it's a potential negative for the future.

Think about it in reality, dispense with Nanny State hysteria.

TheDoctor · 21-06-2021 05:43PM

Boggles wrote: »

Ain't my solution, it's a potential negative for the future.

Think about it in reality, dispense with Nanny State hysteria.

I have.

And from a public health point of view you can’t justify having one closed and one open.

After all that’s the reason for all this.

That’s reality

Pintman Paddy Losty · 21-06-2021 06:26PM

Concerning trends with the Indian variant. Really can't see indoor dining returning as planned sadly.

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