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F1 2021 Round 7 : French GP (Paul Ricard)

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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Schumacher gets into Q2! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭Cool_CM


    Disaster for Stroll.

    It is kind of mad that we've seen 2 red flags in Q1, there looks to be so much space


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,648 ✭✭✭✭skipper_G


    That hit for Mick had the look of a gearbox killer. Be amazed if he doesn't have to take a new one


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Red flags to me used to be for serious issues on track but they seem to be used for any time a driver goes off.

    Aye but the alternative is a load of messing with drivers going faster through the yellow flag zone and pretending that they slowed down enough.

    With how much technology has advanced I don't understand why the red can't "roll" around the track. Much like on the opening lap there's a crash at turn 1 and instant safety car. Sure just let them race til the last few corners and we might get some excitement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,337 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Cool_CM wrote: »
    Disaster for Stroll.

    It is kind of mad that we've seen 2 red flags in Q1, there looks to be so much space

    There is space off the track but it’s like every track is going to be treated like Monaco and Baku(where given the tightness of the circuit need red flags at times).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    The problem these days is that track marshals have to enter the track. No driver is going to be able to set a fast lap on double yellows anyway. So it's not a bad idea to neutralise the track for safety reasons.

    I do agree that it would be better if the clock could be reset somewhat to get in a warm up lap before a flying lap.

    -. . ...- . .-. / --. --- -. -. .- / --. .. ...- . / -.-- --- ..- / ..- .--.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Top Dog


    They really need to review the rules around cars causing red flags and then benefiting from them. First LeClerc in Monaco, now Schumacher. Nothing against either driver, but it seems to me inherently wrong that they can benefit from stopping a session while the likes of Stroll today get hugely disadvantaged by it. Even if they just add 2 minutes to the remaining time to give those on a flying lap at the time their chance to complete it would be fairer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,772 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    duploelabs wrote: »
    engine modes aren't legal anymore though

    You're just now allowed crank up the engine for quali and then tune it down for the race

    The Mercs might be running different power depending on the condition of the engine, or differences in the setup necessitating a higher engine mode


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭Cool_CM


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    There is space off the track but it’s like every track is going to be treated like Monaco and Baku(where given the tightness of the circuit need red flags at times).

    Aw no, I absolutely understand why they need the flags to protect the marshalls - I meant that it's mad that we've seen 2 cars in the barriers :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Zookey123


    Get in there Checo!


  • Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭DaTown


    You have to hand it to the sky boys.

    7 years of the Boy who cried Wolff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    DaTown wrote: »
    You have to hand it to the sky boys.

    7 years of the Boy who cried Wolff.

    I've VPNed myself the BBC radio coverage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,699 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    You're just now allowed crank up the engine for quali and then tune it down for the race

    The Mercs might be running different power depending on the condition of the engine, or differences in the setup necessitating a higher engine mode

    Only for very limited time

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.qualifying-engine-modes-what-are-the-proposed-changes-and-why-do-they-matter.OI3cSGqWS6mONcBHUFncL.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,197 ✭✭✭christy c


    Brundle's reaction to the data, "it's what it says there". :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    Jesus this banter between Ted and Crofty has to stop


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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    christy c wrote: »
    Brundle's reaction to the data, "it's what it says there". :)

    About the right reaction.


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    That is an incredible lap from Max


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,197 ✭✭✭christy c


    About the right reaction.

    Yep, looks like it was pulled from someone's bum


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    That was a decent final session.

    It will an interesting start for sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Wonderful from Max. Still have Merc favourites to win tomorrow, but it should be interesting at least.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Zookey123


    Hopefully Lewis and Max take each other out in turn 1 lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,337 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Good lap from max to get pole and he needed it. I’d have like for Perez to P3 instead of P4 but still a good grid for tomorrow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 337 ✭✭Irishjg


    Great quali. Great lineup for the race tomorrow. Should be a cracker. Is the weather a bit iffy for the early part of the race ?


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Zookey123 wrote: »
    Hopefully Lewis and Max take each other out in turn 1 lol.

    Get Norris and Perez into the title picture. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,539 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Irishjg wrote: »
    Great quali. Great lineup for the race tomorrow. Should be a cracker. Is the weather a bit iffy for the early part of the race ?

    What is the order?


  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Zookey123


    Get Norris and Perez into the title picture. :pac:

    Happy days


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    cj maxx wrote: »
    What is the order?

    VER HAM BOT PER SAI GAS LEC NOR ALO RIC


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Good lap from max to get pole and he needed it. I’d have like for Perez to P3 instead of P4 but still a good grid for tomorrow.

    Perez over .450s off Max again. That's very poor. Did he mess up his last run or have traffic or was he just that far off max?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Joeface


    Carlos 55 Sainz really coming into a grove with the Ferrari . That was really good sessions by him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Perez over .450s off Max again. That's very poor. Did he mess up his last run or have traffic or was he just that far off max?

    Doeant really matter, he just needs to be in play tomorrow

    He is doing what Gasly and Albon couldn't do.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Doeant really matter, he just needs to be in play tomorrow

    He is doing what Gasly and Albon couldn't do.

    That's a bit generous. He's behind both Mercedes. So he can only hold then up at undercut pitstops. Doing his job well would mean qualifying second, ahead of Lewis.

    He's too far off Max's pace to say he did a good job today. Half a second is too big for a gap between teammates. Lucky the gap to the rest of the field is so big.


  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Zookey123


    That's a bit generous. He's behind both Mercedes. So he can only hold then up at undercut pitstops. Doing his job well would mean qualifying second, ahead of Lewis.

    He's too far off Max's pace to say he did a good job today. Half a second is too big for a gap between teammates. Lucky the gap to the rest of the field is so big.

    TBF Perez has never been a good Saturday driver. He has been brought in for his race pace which has been for the most part up there with Max. If you look at his results so far this season he has almost always improved from his grid space (excluding imola). I think RB will be very happy with P4 and I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the podium tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Zookey123 wrote: »
    TBF Perez has never been a good Saturday driver. He has been brought in for his race pace which has been for the most part up there with Max. If you look at his results so far this season he has almost always improved from his grid space (excluding imola). I think RB will be very happy with P4 and I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the podium tomorrow.

    That's a bit revisionist in the first few races he was learning the car and nobody expected him to be on, or near, Max's pace. He wasn't on Max's pace at those races. Winning that race in Baku has done wonders for his pace at the previous races.

    Not being within 4 tenths of your teammate in quali is very poor by anyone's standards. I like perez but I'm not going to pretend half a second gap between teammates is a good performance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,876 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    RB seem to have found a step over the last 2 races. Thought Merc would have had the pace to be 1-2 here but not the case.

    Cracking race potentially, although the strategy will be a massive factor. I do think RB have some pace in their pocket on the hards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,585 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    Perez up there means that Hamilton could be at risk of an undercut, and also that Hamilton will be hesitant in trying to undercut Max, or to try a two-stopper as in Barcelona if it means having to pass Perez.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    That's a bit revisionist in the first few races he was learning the car and nobody expected him to be on, or near, Max's pace. He wasn't on Max's pace at those races. Winning that race in Baku has done wonders for his pace at the previous races.

    Not being within 4 tenths of your teammate in quali is very poor by anyone's standards. I like perez but I'm not going to pretend half a second gap between teammates is a good performance.

    Perez was brought in as a support act to Max

    All he has to do is be in play on the grid and then be a strategy option on Sunday. That's what RB want and that's what he is delivering.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Perez was brought in as a support act to Max

    All he has to do is be in play on the grid and then be a strategy option on Sunday. That's what RB want and that's what he is delivering.

    Yeah he's doing the bottom tier of the job by being a speed bump for Lewis if he tries the undercut. The top tier would be to actually compete with Hamilton.

    It just shows that he's not a top driver or anywhere near being a top tier driver. He's OK, and OK is ... OK. Certainly not a bad driver. A Good no.2.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Yeah he's doing the bottom tier of the job by being a speed bump for Lewis if he tries the undercut. The top tier would be to actually compete with Hamilton.

    It just shows that he's not a top driver or anywhere near being a top tier driver. He's OK, and OK is ... OK. Certainly not a bad driver. A Good no.2.

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    What
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    Not too difficult a situation to grasp.

    When Max had his Tyre blowout 2 weeks ago, checo picked up the pieces.


  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Zookey123


    Yeah he's doing the bottom tier of the job by being a speed bump for Lewis if he tries the undercut. The top tier would be to actually compete with Hamilton.

    It just shows that he's not a top driver or anywhere near being a top tier driver. He's OK, and OK is ... OK. Certainly not a bad driver. A Good no.2.

    Ah he is more than just OK. He has been taking midfield teams onto podiums for nearly a decade. Yeah he isn't at the max/lewis level but he is still a top driver. And he has made a great start with the RB team showing great race pace including a win already. He was more than just a speed bump in Baku ultimately forcing Lewis into a mistake ensuring Max kept the title lead.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Top Dog


    Yeah he's doing the bottom tier of the job by being a speed bump for Lewis if he tries the undercut. The top tier would be to actually compete with Hamilton.

    It just shows that he's not a top driver or anywhere near being a top tier driver. He's OK, and OK is ... OK. Certainly not a bad driver. A Good no.2.
    Jesus wept :rolleyes:

    Carried Force India for years
    Already won a race for RedBull
    Closest anyone in that team has been to Max since Riccardo
    Known to be better in races than qualifying
    Currently 3rd in the drivers championship

    Yeah, he's only OK :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Zookey123 wrote: »
    Ah he is more than just OK. He has been taking midfield teams onto podiums for nearly a decade. Yeah he isn't at the max/lewis level but he is still a top driver. And he has made a great start with the RB team showing great race pace including a win already. He was more than just a speed bump in Baku ultimately forcing Lewis into a mistake ensuring Max kept the title lead.

    This idea that his race pace has been "great",isn't true. It's been mixed if you look at it without rose tinted glasses. Some good (Baku) some very poor. Finished the guts of a minute behind max in 2 races this year and over a second in another. Baku was a stronger race but the win was pure fluke that (no dispute that he earned third fair and square, but the win relied on the other 2 faster cars crashing/spinning out).

    Max is a top driver and he's almost half a second off that in quali. Even if he was as fast as Max (nobody would say he is) he's half a second off in quali. I think ability to qualify is actually a pretty important part of evaluating a driver and it seems like a pretty weak part of his game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,087 ✭✭✭muckwarrior


    Top Dog wrote: »
    Jesus wept :rolleyes:

    Carried Force India for years
    Already won a race for RedBull
    Closest anyone in that team has been to Max since Riccardo
    Known to be better in races than qualifying
    Currently 3rd in the drivers championship

    Yeah, he's only OK :rolleyes:
    Carried Force India? He was closely matched by both Hulkenberg and a young Ocon. He's had a handful of great races, also a few stinkers, but mostly just OK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Checo is a really good driver, Max is a phenomenal driver. Signaling him out when he’s half a second behind the most talented driver on the grid in his 8th race in the RB car is a little unfair.

    I wouldn’t be surprised at all for him to win out against Bottas and split the Mercedes tomorrow. I hope he does, would make for some fascinating tactical calls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Top Dog


    Carried Force India? He was closely matched by both Hulkenberg and a young Ocon. He's had a handful of great races, also a few stinkers, but mostly just OK.
    I could be mistaken, but didn't he have 5 of the teams total 6 podiums as Force India, while also having the one and only win for Racing Point?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,087 ✭✭✭muckwarrior


    Top Dog wrote: »
    I could be mistaken, but didn't he have 5 of the teams total 6 podiums as Force India, while also having the one and only win for Racing Point?

    Yes. As I said he's had some great races, but overall, week in week out, his performance against unspectacular team mates hasn't been anything to write home about. Then he had stroll as his team mate, and beat him well, as you'd expect, even picking up a win in the very competitive pink Mercedes.

    I'm not saying he's a bad driver, clearly he's not. But nor is he any better than average. Apart from Lewis and Max, there are quite a few drivers on the grid capable of either matching or beating him over a season.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Max's pole lap, so smooth!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq5-tSxKIcE&ab_channel=FORMULA1
    Yes. As I said he's had some great races, but overall, week in week out, his performance against unspectacular team mates hasn't been anything to write home about. Then he had stroll as his team mate, and beat him well, as you'd expect, even picking up a win in the very competitive pink Mercedes.

    I'm not saying he's a bad driver, clearly he's not. But nor is he any better than average. Apart from Lewis and Max, there are quite a few drivers on the grid capable of either matching or beating him over a season.

    3rd in the drivers championship is no better than average? Do you know how many drivers there are in the championship?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭Harika


    It's raining it's pouring, the old lady's snoring.


  • Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭DaTown


    And some, I assume, are good racing drivers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,132 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    How do people still fall for that shtick in every damn F1 thread.


    Perez is exactly what Red Bull have been desperate to get for years.

    I doubt Horner is crying over a intra-team time deficit when his drivers are 1st and 3rd with the team itself 1st.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭Harika


    Harika wrote: »
    It's raining it's pouring, the old lady's snoring.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsF1/status/1406548194067091460


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