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Beneficiary in Will refusing to give date of birth

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    #32
    Andrea B.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Unfortunately:


    To get a birth certificate you need to provide:

    full birth name on the certificate

    date of birth

    place of birth

    gender

    father's full name, if recorded

    mother's full birth name
    I imagine you cannot execute your executor duties then?
    Let any other beneficiaries and "birthday boy" know that they have a week for "birthday boy's" birthdate.
    If not, you inform probate office that you cannot execute. They appoint a solicitor (independent I believe, at cost of estate) as executor.

    Whatever the outcome, send birthday boy multiple cards, with age stated, on their birthday, from here on in.


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    #33
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    _Whimsical_ wrote: »
    Ha, I meant more than if you wanted to include a birth child in your will but did not have a PPS for them, could you still legally do so?

    You can leave whatever you want to whoever you want. I believe that your executor can say that he failed to acquire sufficient data to fulfil his responsibilities and that the child's share should go into the residue of the estate.

    Its not something thtt should be done without legal advice.


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    #34
    Flinty997
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    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    While its ok to request DOB, I dont think theres any legal obligation is there? I mean, PPS is a unique number. Theres probable multiple Paul Murphy, DOB 01/01/1980 in the world.

    If you only give one bit of information there's no way of cross checking it to make sure there no typo etc on the pps.


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    #35
    Mrs OBumble
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    Flinty997 wrote: »
    If you only give one bit of information there's no way of cross checking it to make sure there no typo etc on the pps.

    Name + PPSN is two pieces.

    And PPSNs have an internal check digit, which reduces the chances of a typo being valid.

    But that's irrelevant: Revenue are asking for DOB so must believe they need it.

    Personally I would be informing the other beneficiaries why their distribution is being delayed, possibly indefinitely, and seeing what they can find out.


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    #36
    NewbridgeIR
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    People refusing to provide information for a reasonable request is a red flag IMHO

    Is this going to hold up things i.e. affect the other beneficiaries?

    If so, why not let them know so they can put pressure on the outlier.

    As already mentioned, you can get this info off CRO or Vision Net for a fee (assuming person is a company director - which they may not be)


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    #37
    Redsquigy
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Redsquigy


    NewbridgeIR wrote: »
    People refusing to provide information for a reasonable request is a red flag IMHO

    Is this going to hold up things i.e. affect the other beneficiaries?

    If so, why not let them know so they can put pressure on the outlier.

    As already mentioned, you can get this info off CRO or Vision Net for a fee (assuming person is a company director - which they may not be)

    other beneficiaries are aware and dont seem too bothered that all is held up. none are directors of any company. Think this one in particular is just being petty now. i have never come across anything like this before.


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    #38
    MarkR
    Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    They're not on Facebook, are they?


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    #39
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 596 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Have they no relations who know when they were born?!


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    #40
    NewbridgeIR
    Registered Users Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    Is the person on Linkedin - you'd be surprised how many put their birthdays on that.

    Presume none of the other beneficiaries can confirm the date of birth? You may need to focus on somebody who can provide the information.

    Surprised that solicitor won't do more to help.


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    #41
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    There is a section on the SA2 where you can avail of no PPSN number, what would happen if you said PPSN wasn't available and availed of the amended SA25 option?
    Where a PPSN is not available for a beneficiary of the estate, the Form SA.2 contains
    a facility to allow an applicant to give an undertaking that they will not distribute any
    property passing under the estate to that beneficiary until the PPSN is provided to
    the Revenue Commissioners on an amended Form SA.2 return. This facility is in
    order to assist our customers proceed with the application for a Grant of
    Representation. Please note that an undertaking can only be given for one
    beneficiary per application. To avail of this facility please tick the box to indicate that
    a PPSN is not available and follow the on-screen instructions.

    Would SW be able to tie the PPSN to a birthdate?


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    #42
    Redsquigy
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Redsquigy


    NewbridgeIR wrote: »
    Is the person on Linkedin - you'd be surprised how many put their birthdays on that.

    Presume none of the other beneficiaries can confirm the date of birth? You may need to focus on somebody who can provide the information.

    Surprised that solicitor won't do more to help.

    other beneficiaries are related and not helping either.


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    #43
    Redsquigy
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Redsquigy


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    There is a section on the SA2 where you can avail of no PPSN number, what would happen if you said PPSN wasn't available and availed of the amended SA25 option?


    Would SW be able to tie the PPSN to a birthdate?

    think i will have to ask solicitor to try that. we have pps number


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    #44
    headtheball14
    Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭headtheball14


    Could you write in age approx and send it in? Deasp have access to a file with pppsn name address dob that revenue have access to . With the ppsn this is just a look up. It's more common people not having ppsn .
    It's not uncommon to have the wrong dob down for people and I'm sure there are cases where it can't be established


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    #45
    Mrs OBumble
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    Redsquigy wrote: »
    other beneficiaries are related and not helping either.

    That puts things in a whole different light. Someone influential has an incentive to delay distribution of the estate.

    In that case, unless you're also a beneficiary, I'd be talking to a solicitor about ways to renounce being executor. This nightmare will go on for a long time.


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    #46
    Claw Hammer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,177 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Unfortunately:


    To get a birth certificate you need to provide:

    full birth name on the certificate

    date of birth

    place of birth

    gender

    father's full name, if recorded

    mother's full birth name

    You do not. All you need is
    Page Number
    GS Film number
    Digital Folder Number
    Image Number
    Birthplace
    Registration Quarter and Year

    I have done this. The information is available online for free in the case of persons born before 1958.

    In any case once you have a general idea of the persons age and place of birth you can go to Werburgh St and look up the registers.

    The o/p should at least be able to find the mothers maiden name and approximate age if he knows the relatives of the person.


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    #47
    listermint
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    That puts things in a whole different light. Someone influential has an incentive to delay distribution of the estate.

    In that case, unless you're also a beneficiary, I'd be talking to a solicitor about ways to renounce being executor. This nightmare will go on for a long time.

    Ya all very weird.

    They're up to something. I'd exit as quick as I could.


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    #48
    the_pen_turner
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    Have you asked them why they wont give it
    Do they not want the inheritance


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    #49
    AndrewJRenko
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »

    Personally I would be informing the other beneficiaries why their distribution is being delayed, possibly indefinitely, and seeing what they can find out.

    While this would be tempting, I'd be cautious about revealing any information to the other beneficiaries as you would be breaching confidentiality. If someone is being petty about DOB, they could well get even more petty about you revealing their business to other family members.


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    #50
    coylemj
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    Redsquigy wrote: »
    other beneficiaries are related and not helping either.

    This suggests to me that someone is holding up probate because they're living in a house which is part of the estate and which has been left to someone else. And they think they can effectively live rent-free by delaying probate forever.


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    #51
    athlone573
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    Would the probate office (beside Smithfield luas stop) be of any assistance?

    I would be tempted just to get three quotes from solicitors and be rid of the whole thing.


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    #52
    0lddog
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    athlone573 wrote: »
    ...I would be tempted just to ... be rid of the whole thing.

    +1

    Good luck to you if you think you will get a 'quote' from even one solicitor :(


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    #53
    NewbridgeIR
    Registered Users Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    If the other beneficiaries won't help then it means you are dealing with c*nts.

    I believe you can renounce your executor role - depends on what stage of the process it's at. Solicitor should know or else courts.ie.
    That's what I would do.

    No dialogue with c*nts.


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    #54
    ohnonotgmail
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    If you are not a beneficiary i would just resign as executor and leave the mess to somebody else.


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    #55
    CoBo55
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    Somebody is playing a clever game, you need to thread carefully here because if you get their DOB by deception you could be leaving yourself open to all sorts of hassle. I'd contact the probate office as your solicitor obviously isn't interested in helping you out. Has this person lodged a challenge to the will or are they playing for time to do so?


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    #56
    Andrea B.
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    CoBo55 wrote: »
    Somebody is playing a clever game, you need to thread carefully here because if you get their DOB by deception you could be leaving yourself open to all sorts of hassle. I'd contact the probate office as your solicitor obviously isn't interested in helping you out. Has this person lodged a challenge to the will or are they playing for time to do so?
    It is likely that if it is dragging, probate office will step in anyhow.


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    #57
    coylemj
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    Andrea B. wrote: »
    It is likely that if it is dragging, probate office will step in anyhow.

    Why would they?


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    #58
    Redsquigy
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Redsquigy


    coylemj wrote: »
    This suggests to me that someone is holding up probate because they're living in a house which is part of the estate and which has been left to someone else. And they think they can effectively live rent-free by delaying probate forever.

    no property involved at all. just money.


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    #59
    Geuze
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    Check the date of birth on the birth cert from the GRO?


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    #60
    jd
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    Redsquigy wrote: »
    no property involved at all. just money.
    Are you also a beneficiary? If not, I'd walk away.


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    #61
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,177 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    jd wrote: »
    Are you also a beneficiary? If not, I'd walk away.


    OP is executor, can't walk away.


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