What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

Wolf359f · 18-06-2021 11:22PM

loughside wrote: »

Fond O`Lying is a vindictive hostile waste of space. Offloaded from German politics where she was several times a complete and utterly failure hated by many within her own party.
Appointed in the tawdry agreement between Macron & Merckel and loaded on to the Brussels gravy train for failed European politicians where she is completely out of her depth. At least Juncker was an amiable old sod, she is just vile. Macron, Merkel & VDL have tried their hardest to destroy benevolent AstraZeneca out of spite and envy.

All credit to AstraZeneca for facing them out.

I'm sorry, you're going to have to explain that.
When EU and particularly non-EU countries paused AZ due to clotting issues, certain groups starting saying it was all political, blaming it on Brexit etc.... Despite the first country to pause it, was not even an EU country.
I really don't follow the spite and envy comment.

loughside · 18-06-2021 11:27PM

brickster69 wrote: »

She will be taking Cure Vac to court next

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/curevacs-covid-19-vaccine-misses-efficacy-goal-mass-trial-2021-06-16/

This is especially pleasing since the German CureVac vaccine has just been proven, yesterday, to be only 47% effective, less than half that of AZ.

The EU have embarrassingly bought 400 million doses of it [Snigger!]

You just couldn`t make it up - the EU strikes again!

18-06-2021 11:29PM

Pleased.. In a pandemic..

Wolf359f · 18-06-2021 11:33PM

loughside wrote: »

This is especially pleasing since the German CureVac vaccine has just been proven, yesterday, to be only 47% effective, less than half that of AZ.

The EU have embarrassingly bought 400 million doses of it [Snigger!]

You just couldn`t make it up - the EU strikes again!

There is a difference between ordering and buying.
They order 400 million on condition it's an effective vaccine and approved.
It not being effective means it won't be approved, which means it won't be purchased.

sameoldname · 18-06-2021 11:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Pleased.. In a pandemic..

He's a desperate unionist troll who registered on an Irish forum to presumably extract some pleasure from trying to annoy some people down here. I'd pity him rather than respond to anything he posts.

Bass Reeves · 18-06-2021 11:46PM

loughside wrote: »

This is especially pleasing since the German CureVac vaccine has just been proven, yesterday, to be only 47% effective, less than half that of AZ.

The EU have embarrassingly bought 400 million doses of it [Snigger!]

You just couldn`t make it up - the EU strikes again!

Because the EU and the US put massive funding in place for vaccine development we are now seeing the benefits of it. Yes there will be vaccines that fail, at present there is 5-6 successful vaccines.

When SARS hit in the early noughties it was bought under control by sanitation and isolation measures. However 2-3 companies developed vaccines that were not needed. They list hundreds of million of dollars. Pharma companies looked for development costs to be underwritten this time as once bitten twice shy

19-06-2021 08:16AM

loughside wrote: »

Fond O`Lying is a vindictive hostile waste of space. Offloaded from German politics where she was several times a complete and utterly failure hated by many within her own party.
Appointed in the tawdry agreement between Macron & Merckel and loaded on to the Brussels gravy train for failed European politicians where she is completely out of her depth. At least Juncker was an amiable old sod, she is just vile. Macron, Merkel & VDL have tried their hardest to destroy benevolent AstraZeneca out of spite and envy.

All credit to AstraZeneca for facing them out.

That auld cesspit the house of Lords where half its members snore live on camera is where I'd send Astrazenica
AstraZeneca lost the Belgium court battle
They will now be charged €10 for every dose they don't deliver on time
That will soften their cough

robinph · 19-06-2021 08:23AM

loughside wrote: »

This is especially pleasing since the German CureVac vaccine has just been proven, yesterday, to be only 47% effective, less than half that of AZ.

The EU have embarrassingly bought 400 million doses of it [Snigger!]

You just couldn`t make it up - the EU strikes again!

The UK also ordered 50 million doses of Curevac.

robinph · 19-06-2021 08:28AM

Marine Layer wrote: »

AstraZeneca lost the Belgium court battle
They will now be charged €10 for every dose they don't deliver on time
That will soften their cough

They just need to come up with a further 10 million doses by the end of September to meet the order, think they will manage that.

19-06-2021 08:38AM

robinph wrote: »

They just need to come up with a further 10 million doses by the end of September to meet the order, think they will manage that.

They will now
Cough softened,by the court

gozunda · 19-06-2021 08:39AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Could try an alternative pain killer such as ibuprofen But that depends on where you live. For example, why is there no ibuprofen in the jungle? Because the paracetamol.

True enough though I've heard that two aspirins in your hand are worth one in the birch.

faceman · 19-06-2021 10:32AM

I was wondering when we’d start hearing of this

https://flip.it/bQKcKp

AZ isn’t an approved in the US and when travel to the US recommences I’ve wondered what it will mean for people in the EU who got the AZ vaccine. While I don’t think they’ll be barred from travelling, given vaccine discrimination is permitted in the US, we may seem more of these restrictions in the major cities.

Not all vaccines are created equally I guess

19-06-2021 10:40AM

loughside wrote: »

This is especially pleasing since the German CureVac vaccine has just been proven, yesterday, to be only 47% effective, less than half that of AZ.

The EU have embarrassingly bought 400 million doses of it [Snigger!]

You just couldn`t make it up - the EU strikes again!

The most effective vaccine with the most secure supply, Pfizer BioNtech. The German company, BioNtech partnered with Pfizer because they had the technical and logistical capabilities required. Oxford on the other hand partnered with Astra Zeneca, a company with no history of vaccine production, because Britain First

robinph · 19-06-2021 10:52AM

Will only be temporary. By the time people can freely travel the world again nobody will care what version of a vaccine you have had, least of all any individual venues setting brand requirements. You'll get asked at immigration potentially, but doubt that would be more than just if you have been vaccinated to whatever standard your home country asks for.

odyssey06 · 19-06-2021 11:02AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The most effective vaccine with the most secure supply, Pfizer BioNtech. The German company, BioNtech partnered with Pfizer because they had the technical and logistical capabilities required. Oxford on the other hand partnered with Astra Zeneca, a company with no history of vaccine production, because Britain First

Who should they have partnered with, with no risk of falling foul of eg US export bans, who were interested at the time.

The largest vaccine companies all failed with their own vaccines.

Jansen have had plant issues.
Moderna quantites very small.

HalfAndHalf · 19-06-2021 11:29AM

Marine Layer wrote: »

They will now
Cough softened,by the court

This isn’t exactly true though is it.

The court didn’t rule that AZ broke its contract

The court didn’t order AZ to fulfil all 300 million doses, just gave them 3 months to deliver 10 million more, which actually means they gave them more time than they need and is contracted.

The court then attributed a pointless €10 euro fine knowing it would never happen.

Why are you spinning this as an EC win when it’s clearly not?

Sure I suppose you were one of those that when the EC ‘only said they might’ trigger Article 16 and didn’t even speak to us first, said ‘we’ll they didn’t do it did they’ completely missing the point that they didn’t give us a seconds thought and ending up having to apologise.

duffman13 · 19-06-2021 11:49AM

faceman wrote: »

I was wondering when we’d start hearing of this

https://flip.it/bQKcKp

AZ isn’t an approved in the US and when travel to the US recommences I’ve wondered what it will mean for people in the EU who got the AZ vaccine. While I don’t think they’ll be barred from travelling, given vaccine discrimination is permitted in the US, we may seem more of these restrictions in the major cities.

Not all vaccines are created equally I guess

AZ will be accepted, a lot of the English speaking world have used it to varying degrees and also in mainland Europe. Canada, Germany, France, Spain, UK and Ireland all have strong ties with the US and banning AZ as an accepted vaccine would be logistically a nightmare. I mean they share a border with Canada where it has been used

ddarcy · 19-06-2021 12:51PM

duffman13 wrote: »

AZ will be accepted, a lot of the English speaking world have used it to varying degrees and also in mainland Europe. Canada, Germany, France, Spain, UK and Ireland all have strong ties with the US and banning AZ as an accepted vaccine would be logistically a nightmare. I mean they share a border with Canada where it has been used

The big if there though is will the FDA sign off on it. We should get an update next week on their 6 month results ( they’ve been fairly consistent in releasing results on the first Monday of the third week of the month for important results, which this falls under, so in theory we should see something on Monday…) and if they’ve actually pulled the finger out and submitted an application. If it doesn’t get FDA approval/EUA then there will be issues. They’re supposed to submit an EUA application as they are part of project Warp Speed, but none yet.

Roger_007 · 19-06-2021 01:28PM

There is something about the situation in the UK which is not making much sense to me. They have almost 60% of the adult population double jabbed, yet their case rates and hospitalisation rates are rising quickly.
Is it the case that the AZ vaccine which has been used extensively is proving not as effective against the Delta variant as is the Pfizer vaccine. If this is the case, would they even admit it, given the amount of political gloating they have done about the OXFORD AZ vaccine.

Beasty · 19-06-2021 01:39PM

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HalfAndHalf · 19-06-2021 01:40PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

There is something about the situation in the UK which is not making much sense to me. They have almost 60% of the adult population double jabbed, yet their case rates and hospitalisation rates are rising quickly.
Is it the case that the AZ vaccine which has been used extensively is proving not as effective against the Delta variant as is the Pfizer vaccine. If this is the case, would they even admit it, given the amount of political gloating they have done about the OXFORD AZ vaccine.

Personally I think they opened too much too fast. Plus you have to account for a population of 66 million people mingling, and they’re still testing as much as possible.

Just look at the 20,000 Scots that descended on Leicester Square yesterday, give it a couple of weeks and Scotland will be reporting a big spike in cases.

I’m waiting for our cases to jump once we lift more restrictions, we’ve 393 cases today, multiply that by 13 to have an equal per capita figure and that’s 5100 cases. We only need 900 cases a day to be up to the UKs 12000.

The vaccine was only ever going to bring down hospitalisations and deaths and those numbers remain low in the U.K. , it doesn’t stop anyone catching or spreading the virus.

robinph · 19-06-2021 01:56PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

There is something about the situation in the UK which is not making much sense to me. They have almost 60% of the adult population double jabbed, yet their case rates and hospitalisation rates are rising quickly.
Is it the case that the AZ vaccine which has been used extensively is proving not as effective against the Delta variant as is the Pfizer vaccine. If this is the case, would they even admit it, given the amount of political gloating they have done about the OXFORD AZ vaccine.

There are lots of things open and very few vaccinated among the age groups who socialise in close drunken proximity to each other. Very few cases in older age groups.

volchitsa · 19-06-2021 02:21PM

Why can't we find out what numbers of those who have both jabs are still falling ill? I can't understand why that doesn't seem to be one of the headline numbers - it's really important. If it's almost none, why can't someone just say how many there are? In comparison to those who haven't had it, if necessary. How well protected is someone once they have the vaccine.

HalfAndHalf · 19-06-2021 02:23PM

volchitsa wrote: »

Why can we find out what numbers of those who have both jabs are still falling ill? I can't understand why that doesn't seem to be one of the headline numbers - it's really important. If it's almost none, why can't someone just say how many there are? In comparison to those who haven't had it, if necessary. How well protected is someone once they have the vaccine.

The vaccine doesn’t stop you catching Covid. So why is that really important?

I’m starting to think people think if they’re vaccinated then they can’t catch Covid, this is a dangerous thing to be believing!

odyssey06 · 19-06-2021 02:29PM

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

The vaccine was only ever going to bring down hospitalisations and deaths and those numbers remain low in the U.K. , it doesn’t stop anyone catching or spreading the virus.

Yes it does.

Those given a first dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines - and who became infected three weeks later - were between 38% and 49% less likely to pass the virus on than unvaccinated people, PHE found.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56904993

I amnt sure what your definition of catching the virus is but it also reduces positive covid tests by 67 percent.

HalfAndHalf · 19-06-2021 02:34PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Yes it does.

Those given a first dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines - and who became infected three weeks later - were between 38% and 49% less likely to pass the virus on than unvaccinated people, PHE found.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56904993

I amnt sure what your definition of catching the virus is but it also reduces positive covid tests by 67 percent.

So by your own admission, it doesn’t STOP people catching or passing on the virus!

Not sure what point you’re making?

odyssey06 · 19-06-2021 02:39PM

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

So by your own admission, it doesn’t STOP people catching or passing on the virus!
Not sure what point you’re making?

If it doesnt stop people from catching or spreading it how are household transmissions and positive tests in people reduced?

It stops majority of people from catching it and half of the spread. Which contradicts your main point re effect on cases.

Regardless of the semantic meaning we assign to the word stop (v reduce or cut)

19-06-2021 03:02PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

There is something about the situation in the UK which is not making much sense to me. They have almost 60% of the adult population double jabbed, yet their case rates and hospitalisation rates are rising quickly.
Is it the case that the AZ vaccine which has been used extensively is proving not as effective against the Delta variant as is the Pfizer vaccine. If this is the case, would they even admit it, given the amount of political gloating they have done about the OXFORD AZ vaccine.

Your funny :pac::pac::pac::pac:

60% double jabbed is not true and this wave started a month ago with even less double jabbed.

The graphs for cases for over 60's is rock solid throughout this wave, but 20 somethings unvaccinated after increased incidence by about 20 -30 times.

Partially vaccinated age groups incidence is well down too.

Same thing is happening here to a degree incidence is concentrated in the younger totally unvaccinated groups.

Until we vaccinate all cohorts we are vulnerable to significant outbreaks.

We need supply simple as, as do the UK.

Israel were vaccinating teenagers in March.

Meanwhile in Ireland 20 year olds get vaccinated in September.

We have to try and keep Delta out.

We are vulnerable for the next few months in the same way UK was in April/May of this year.

HalfAndHalf · 19-06-2021 03:02PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

If it doesnt stop people from catching or spreading it how are household transmissions and positive tests in people reduced?

It stops majority of people from catching it and half of the spread. Which contradicts your main point re effect on cases.

Regardless of the semantic meaning we assign to the word stop (v reduce or cut)

There’s no semantics, it doesn’t stop people catching the virus.

If it did then Covid would be gone as soon as we are all vaccinated.

You’re the one pulling small percentages out.

My point was, if people fly around thinking they’re grand after being vaccinated then we’ll all be getting lockdowns into next year!

robinph · 19-06-2021 03:12PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Israel were vaccinating teenagers in March.

For January - March it made sense to focus vaccines totally on the at risk groups. With hindsight it would have been useful to have been vaccinating randomly across ages groups since April when the cases of Alpha were already dropping as Delta would then have a harder time to make its way freely through any particular age group. Might have had a bit less take up with that strategy overall though as I think part of what has kept each new age group turning up in high numbers is partly the coverage of each group before them getting jabbed and them all then worried about when their turn is and them missing out.

What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

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