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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #4562
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tony Holohan exhaled his recent excoriation of antigen testing as it being "no better than a coin toss".

    That's right. The Germans clearly have no idea what they're doing. :rolleyes:


  • #4563
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    How is that a reflection on the Irish business?
    What did they do the whole time international travel was shut down?

    This is a red herring. Antigen testing is a nice to have, it's not some magic saviour that businesses are waiting for. If their customers haven't already gone elsewhere, then they've adapted their business to cope.

    There's nobody suddenly losing business now because there's no antigen testing.


  • #4564
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    seamus wrote: »
    Private PCR testing is available and turns around inside 24 hours. If at this stage someone's business still hinges on being able to put a person on a plane with less than 24 hours notice, then they've disastrously failed to adapt to the prevailing conditions.

    It's not NPHET's fault that they're bad at business.

    It’s not just about work or holidays.
    Ireland has Hundreds of thousands of foreign nationals living and working here. They sometimes need to go home to visit relatives in emergencies. Ditto Irish people loving and working abroad. Saying this is just an issue for people wanting to go on holidays or work trips is very disingenuous.


  • #4565
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    seamus wrote: »
    What did they do the whole time international travel was shut down?

    This is a red herring. Antigen testing is a nice to have, it's not some magic saviour that businesses are waiting for. If their customers haven't already gone elsewhere, then they've adapted their business to cope.

    There's nobody suddenly losing business now because there's no antigen testing.

    Why is the aviation industry protesting to allow antigen testing to be allowed for Ireland? Are they just doing it for the craic? I think a lot of these people know what effects and doesn't effect their industries. That's before you add the added cost of PCR tests. Some people are bending over backwards to make excuses for NPHET on their anti antigen test stance. If any countries aviation sector needs all the support it can get now its Irelands.


  • #4566
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    normanoffside wrote: »
    It’s not just about work or holidays.
    Ireland has Hundreds of thousands of foreign nationals living and working here. They sometimes need to go home to visit relatives in emergencies. Ditto Irish people loving and working abroad. Saying this is just an issue for people wanting to go on holidays or work trips is very disingenuous.

    Absolutely ,I have a daughter in the UK and havent seen her since Feb 2020 and there are many many more like us . We just need to see our families and they us .,


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  • #4567
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Actually, claiming that this is a massive issue is disingenuous.

    An unvaccinated person absolutely having to travel at less than 24 hours notice is a very niche issue, one which won't really exist for very much longer. And it's not a new issue being caused by the lack of antigen testing.

    The ones making the most noise about this are just people who don't want the cost and inconvenience of a PCR test before they go abroad.
    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Absolutely ,I have a daughter in the UK and havent seen her since Feb 2020 and there are many many more like us . We just need to see our families and they us .,
    A lack of antigen testing is not what's stopping you.


  • #4568
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    seamus wrote: »
    .

    A lack of antigen testing is not what's stopping you.

    Actually she is waiting for her second dose and so am I .,Then we can feel safe and free to travel .There should be no need for anything more than an antigen test for us at that stage.
    Have you any idea how people are feeling not seeing grandchildren and children for almost 18mths .? People are desperate at this stage and need it to be made a bit easier for us


  • #4569
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    seamus wrote: »
    What did they do the whole time international travel was shut down?

    Suffered. Lost business. Downsized. Went bust. The sort of thing that you and NPHET don't seem to give a **** about.

    And my point wasn't solely about antigen testing. To repeat myself, anything that can be done to try and mitigate these issues should be done, testing is just part of the whole.


  • #4570
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Suffered. Lost business. Downsized. Went bust. The sort of thing that you and NPHET don't seem to give a **** about.
    NPHET's focus is public health, not business. It's a pandemic, collateral damage to business is unavoidable. Keeping business afloat shouldn't come before public health.

    I'm not unsympathetic, but there's fvck all point dwelling on it. We can rebuild when this is over. You can restart businesses, you can't make people undead.


  • #4571
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    seamus wrote: »
    Actually, claiming that this is a massive issue is disingenuous.
    You are challenged on an outrageous claim and double down.

    Getting a PCR test is a huge hassle. I'm waiting for the result to come through for tomorrow morning and if it doesn't I'm not going to be allowed board a plane to Ireland.
    If it hasn't arrived in the next 200 minutes I'm going to have to start calling the Lab.

    When did you last travel out of the country? It sounds like you aren't doing it regularly or you have somebody he does those bothersome "things" for you.


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  • #4572
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Nobody's going to die if you miss your flight tomorrow and you have to rebook. I know I'm sounding glib, but this is a pandemic. You have to just suck these things up and deal with it until this is over. What have you done every other time you got on a flight for the last 15 months?

    Like I say, this isn't suddenly a new problem. As it stands, people are annoyed because things aren't being made slightly easier for them to travel. BFD.


  • #4573
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You are challenged on an outrageous claim and double down.

    Getting a PCR test is a huge hassle. I'm waiting for the result to come through for tomorrow morning and if it doesn't I'm not going to be allowed board a plane to Ireland.
    If it hasn't arrived in the next 200 minutes I'm going to have to start calling the Lab.

    When did you last travel out of the country? It sounds like you aren't doing it regularly or you have somebody he does those bothersome "things" for you.

    I got it done, wasn't a hassle at all.

    Takes a few minutes, you're in and out. The lab does the rest of the work for you.


  • #4574
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    seamus wrote: »
    NPHET's focus is public health, not business. It's a pandemic, collateral damage to business is unavoidable. Keeping business afloat shouldn't come before public health.

    I'm not unsympathetic, but there's fvck all point dwelling on it. We can rebuild when this is over. You can restart businesses, you can't make people undead.

    You cannot have a functioning health service with appropriate public health responses without a functioning economy.


  • #4575
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eskimohunt wrote: »
    I got it done, wasn't a hassle at all.

    Takes a few minutes, you're in and out. The lab does the rest of the work for you.
    For travel? Add those variables in to the equation and things get complicated very quickly.
    Will the test arrive on time? Does hire car need to be cancelled with or without loss of deposit. Does hotel room need to be cancelled with or without loss of deposit/whole cost. Does space in airport car park need to be cancelled with or without loss of deposit/full cost.

    Did you get a warm fuzzy feeling handing over between 100 and 150 euro for your PCR test?


  • #4576
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I really hope there is minimal need for any testing next Autumn given the level of vaccinations we will be at

    But children won't be vaccinated? I'm not saying children need to be vaccinated either. Antigen tests would be useful in Educational settings to curb the spread of any new variants that might crop up in the Winter months.


  • #4577
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    seamus wrote: »
    NPHET's focus is public health, not business. It's a pandemic, collateral damage to business is unavoidable. Keeping business afloat shouldn't come before public health.

    I'm not unsympathetic, but there's fvck all point dwelling on it. We can rebuild when this is over. You can restart businesses, you can't make people undead.

    Like I said, this country is full of people unaffected by the pandemic response smugly telling everybody else to just suck it up. Easy to ****ing say isn't it.

    Never mind how inane it is to say there is no point dwelling on it and that we can just rebuild later. How reductive is that? Its not a zero sum game you know, where we are either in a pandemic or we are not. We can do things right this very minute to mitigate those losses and help those people struggling, to minimise the long term impacts. We should do that, not just sit there like ****ing chumps saying "sure what can you do".


  • #4578
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    seamus wrote: »
    NPHET's focus is public health, not business. It's a pandemic, collateral damage to business is unavoidable. Keeping business afloat shouldn't come before public health.

    I'm not unsympathetic, but there's fvck all point dwelling on it. We can rebuild when this is over. You can restart businesses, you can't make people undead.

    The people making the policies won't have to rebuild though. They'll be sitting comfortably on their 6 figure salaries and large pensions regardless of the mess they have caused.

    I guess we'll also have to suck it up when they send us the bill.

    Maybe then people will start wondering why the country remained heavily restricted long after the deaths stopped and the hospitals emptied.


  • #4579
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Like I said, this country is full of people unaffected by the pandemic response smugly telling everybody else to just suck it up. Easy to ****ing say isn't it.

    Never mind how inane it is to say there is no point dwelling on it and that we can just rebuild later. How reductive is that? Its not a zero sum game you know, where we are either in a pandemic or we are not. We can do things right this very minute to mitigate those losses and help those people struggling, to minimise the long term impacts. We should do that, not just sit there like ****ing chumps saying "sure what can you do".

    Its insane how out of touch a lot of people really are. I know lots of people who are still trying to rebuild from 2008 and likely never will. Banks won't touch them for credit for the rest of their lives.


  • #4580
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Its insane how out of touch a lot of people really are. I know lots of people who are still trying to rebuild from 2008 and likely never will. Banks won't touch them for credit for the rest of their lives.

    fvck all point dwelling on it. We can rebuild when this is over.


  • #4581
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,470 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    54 covid patients in hospital, 18 in ICU according to Paul Reid


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  • #4582
    ClosedAccountFuzzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    Seems to be a big spike in Cornwall, albeit from a low base. I’m thinking our outdoor only dining / socialising until the vaccines are more complete is looking a very sensible balance.


  • #4583
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,435 ✭✭✭corkie


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    54 covid patients in hospital, 18 in ICU according to Paul Reid

    https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1405482100346789890

    Why did you wait until Mr Reid told you?

    Figures have been updated on the hub, since 11:30am.

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/0814b13a2f2b4458a36105502c8e92e8

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  • #4584
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,470 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    corkie wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1405482100346789890

    Why did you wait until Mr Reid told you?

    Figures have been updated on the hub, since 11:30am.

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/0814b13a2f2b4458a36105502c8e92e8

    Maybe because I've been working all day and have the HSE press conference on in the background....

    We can't all be on twitter all day long & I don't recall seeing them on the thread in my brief flick through. I don't recall you posting them if you had seen them since 11:30am. Please do share the numbers if you see them instead of having a pop when someone posts them a few hours later


  • #4585
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    18 in ICU is fantastic


  • #4586
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,780 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    FuzzyThinking wrote: »
    Seems to be a big spike in Cornwall, albeit from a low base. I’m thinking our outdoor only dining / socialising until the vaccines are more complete is looking a very sensible balance.

    See where you're coming from but controlled indoor environments have worked in other places

    The scary thing is that's very NPHET thinking (not having a go at you btw)


  • #4587
    ClosedAccountFuzzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    You’re not having a go at me, but you’re having a go at me… (rolls eyes).


  • #4588
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Interesting now how HSE concern is now switching to the usual pressures within the health system, A&E, trolleys etc. A sense of normality is now returning.


  • #4589
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Interesting now how HSE concern is now switching to the usual pressures within the health system, A&E, trolleys etc. A sense of normality is now returning.

    Nature is healing


  • #4590
    ClosedAccountFuzzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Interesting now how HSE concern is now switching to the usual pressures within the health system, A&E, trolleys etc. A sense of normality is now returning.

    They’ve a huge backlog to get through, particularly anything elective. I’d say we’ve a few years of knock on impact of COVID in the health systems here and in most countries.

    Ours had huge waiting lists before it began though.


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  • #4591
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,435 ✭✭✭corkie


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Please do share the numbers if you see them instead of having a pop when someone posts them a few hours later


    Hadn't checked today, usually wait for the evening update from @roinnslainte don't follow Reid on twitter or have notifications from his posts. Don't need to be on twitter all day to get notifications.

    Only fact checked your blunt hearsay post. When I saw it.

    If people are desperate to know the ICU figures, just sharing where people can find them.

    Didn't mean my reply to be rude?

    It has also been a trend on here to see all daily figures combined in one post around/before dinner time (18 Hours).

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