New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

Hadron Collider · 17-06-2021 08:14AM

joe40 wrote: »

If UK media and Irish media so biased why have I heard a massive amount from the like of Nigel Farage over the years.

Yes, they are heavily biased in favor of the left-wing woke agenda.

Things you will never see on RTE News:

-- A piece on the extraordinary rates of crime, domestic abuse, welfare fraud, tax evasion and anti-social behavior in the Traveller community. (Prevailing narrative: Travellers are victims of discrimination and any criticism of them is racist.)

-- A feature on academic under-performance among boys and young men, in an era when girls and women do better at every level, earn significantly higher exam results and earn the majority of third-level degrees. (Prevailing narrative: white males don't need help, but we need to support girls and women to achieve high-earning careers.)

-- A documentary on the unfairness of letting maled-bodied trans athletes compete against girls or women, or the dangers of housing biologically male inmates in women's prisons. (Prevailing narrative: Trans women are women, and anyone who questions that is transphobic.)

Smee_Again · 17-06-2021 08:21AM

Hadron Collider wrote: »

Yes, they are heavily biased in favor of the left-wing woke agenda.

Things you will never see on RTE News:

-- A piece on the extraordinary rates of crime, domestic abuse, welfare fraud, tax evasion and anti-social behavior in the Traveller community. (Prevailing narrative: Travellers are victims of discrimination and any criticism of them is racist.)

-- A feature on academic under-performance among boys and young men, in an era when girls and women do better at every level, earn significantly higher exam results and earn the majority of third-level degrees. (Prevailing narrative: white males don't need help, but we need to support girls and women to achieve high-earning careers.)

-- A documentary on the unfairness of letting maled-bodied trans athletes compete against girls or women, or the dangers of housing biologically male inmates in women's prisons. (Prevailing narrative: Trans women are women, and anyone who questions that is transphobic.)

Why don't you pitch these ideas to RTE? I'd watch the second doc, no interest in the other 2 though.

silverharp · 17-06-2021 08:21AM

this station is funded by the discovery channel and after a corporate merger will be a sister station of CNN so could be another loss leader portfolio blah blah

Cable news is dying in the US and is going more in a decentralised direction, people's taste are evolving in the direction of following curators of news that they click with rather than tuning into particular old style stations.

Hadron Collider · 17-06-2021 08:25AM

Smee_Again wrote: »

Why don't you pitch these ideas to RTE? I'd watch the second doc, no interest in the other 2 though.

I'll get in touch with our woke overlords in Donnybrook and let you know how I get on.

Quin_Dub · 17-06-2021 08:28AM

silverharp wrote: »

this station is funded by the discovery channel and after a corporate merger will be a sister station of CNN so could be another loss leader portfolio blah blah

Cable news is dying in the US and is going more in a decentralised direction, people's taste are evolving in the direction of following curators of news that they click with rather than tuning into particular old style stations.

Which is the problem across the spectrum - People just watching/listening to a talking head that tells them what they want to hear.

Right now , few in the US watches the "news" , they all tune in to their favourite talking head - Hannity , Carlson, Maddow etc. and get a version of the news instead of largely objective fact from a standard nightly news broadcast.

So far at least in Europe people still tend to watch the news more and the opinion stuff less , but that again is shifting and is a problem.

banie01 · 17-06-2021 08:30AM

I see they gave Cleo Torres a shout out aswell as the other usual suspects.

I think it's very important to highlight that this isn't a news channel.
It is very much an opinion led channel with tabloidesque editorialising, which is fine if that's how one wants to absorb their opinions.

Much as it pains me to say it, even the maligned Fox News has an actual news remit and some talented reporters and anchors.
Whereas GB News is relying on the faded draw of a political reporter living in France and Colin Brazier as their anchor.

Reporter wise, well standing in Birmingham and your channel idents claiming you're in Wales isn't a great start...

News always has a bias, surely it's far better to seek a balance in the bias?
Be it by sourcing "centrist" media, or better yet seeking to strike a balance in your sources, multiple reports from varied sources in the same story?

Rather than seeking out deliberately editorial opinion with a heavy slant?

Smee_Again · 17-06-2021 08:32AM

Hadron Collider wrote: »

I'll get in touch with our woke overlords in Donnybrook and let you know how I get on.

I bet you don't.

mcmoustache · 17-06-2021 08:35AM

Hadron Collider wrote: »

And yet the Broadcasters’ Audience Research Board (BARB) shows that it had 164,400 viewers on its first night, more than watched BBC News (133,000) and almost three times as many as Sky News (57,000).

Were those viewers all named Mike Oxelong?

silverharp · 17-06-2021 08:36AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Which is the problem across the spectrum - People just watching/listening to a talking head that tells them what they want to hear.

Right now , few in the US watches the "news" , they all tune in to their favourite talking head - Hannity , Carlson, Maddow etc. and get a version of the news instead of largely objective fact from a standard nightly news broadcast.

So far at least in Europe people still tend to watch the news more and the opinion stuff less , but that again is shifting and is a problem.

There is the whole opinion side of things but at this stage you need to be following news watchers picking apart the news that is being presented as "News"

rightmove · 17-06-2021 08:46AM

Hadron Collider wrote: »

Yes, they are heavily biased in favor of the left-wing woke agenda.

Things you will never see on RTE News:

-- A piece on the extraordinary rates of crime, domestic abuse, welfare fraud, tax evasion and anti-social behavior in the Traveller community. (Prevailing narrative: Travellers are victims of discrimination and any criticism of them is racist.)

-- A feature on academic under-performance among boys and young men, in an era when girls and women do better at every level, earn significantly higher exam results and earn the majority of third-level degrees. (Prevailing narrative: white males don't need help, but we need to support girls and women to achieve high-earning careers.)

-- A documentary on the unfairness of letting maled-bodied trans athletes compete against girls or women, or the dangers of housing biologically male inmates in women's prisons. (Prevailing narrative: Trans women are women, and anyone who questions that is transphobic.)

worst thing is I have to fund this..and

how much is Lottie Ryans new son going to cost me and my kids into the future!!!

ancapailldorcha · 17-06-2021 08:57AM

If Sky News makes a loss, why on earth hasn't it been scrapped?

Morgans · 17-06-2021 08:58AM

Hadron Collider wrote: »

Yes, they are heavily biased in favor of the left-wing woke agenda.

Things you will never see on RTE News:

-- A piece on the extraordinary rates of crime, domestic abuse, welfare fraud, tax evasion and anti-social behavior in the Traveller community. (Prevailing narrative: Travellers are victims of discrimination and any criticism of them is racist.)

-- A feature on academic under-performance among boys and young men, in an era when girls and women do better at every level, earn significantly higher exam results and earn the majority of third-level degrees. (Prevailing narrative: white males don't need help, but we need to support girls and women to achieve high-earning careers.)

-- A documentary on the unfairness of letting maled-bodied trans athletes compete against girls or women, or the dangers of housing biologically male inmates in women's prisons. (Prevailing narrative: Trans women are women, and anyone who questions that is transphobic.)

I watch most sports but can you tell me the name of one Irish maled-bodied trans athlete currently competing against girls or women?

Quin_Dub · 17-06-2021 09:04AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

If Sky News makes a loss, why on earth hasn't it been scrapped?

My guess would be that having a news channel is seen as an important component of being a "real" Media organisation - There may also be some broadcasting/licensing regulations around the provision of news in certain categories of broadcasting.

17-06-2021 09:04AM

L1011 wrote: »

First night figures for a new station are meaningless

Its who is watching in a few weeks that's relevant.

Deleted User wrote: »

The viewing figures after a month or two are realistically more interesting.

I've no doubt that after a few weeks, you'll both be saying, "Well, it's who's watching after the first year that's important".

L1011 · 17-06-2021 09:07AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

If Sky News makes a loss, why on earth hasn't it been scrapped?

In the Murdoch days it was for vanity and an attempt to bring some prestige to what was seen as a very tatty/tawdry operation. It then went a bit down-market itself to reduce costs and try build an audience; with Comcast bringing it back a bit to the 90s to mid 00s standards since taking over. For Comcast, its a reputational/vanity thing just like it was for Murdoch originally.

The channel is provided free and on multiple satellite platforms around the globe frequently carrying no ads at all (weather forecasts shown during the breaks instead)

eskimohunt wrote: »

I've no doubt that after a few weeks, you'll both be saying, "Well, it's who's watching after the first year that's important".

No, because I'm fairly confident the viewing figures will be in the ditch by then (Fox often had hours of zero); and if they aren't they will likely stay somewhat similar after a few weeks.

KildareP · 17-06-2021 09:07AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

If Sky News makes a loss, why on earth hasn't it been scrapped?

Same reason Newstalk hasn't, it serves a purpose other than profit.
(Remains to be seen if that will change with the new owners)

What will be interesting to see is how GB News positions itself in the coming weeks and months. I don't see it failing spectacularly like many seem to be gleefully declaring it will. However if Discovery are to prop it up as a loss leader then it doesn't sit well within their traditional portfolio of reality and factual programming.

Cal4567 · 17-06-2021 09:22AM

Very good points. Usually ignored by liberals as they fear for being labelled racist if they mention such things, so they just avoid.

Quite amusing having left and liberal commentators, both here and on social media, decrying the likes of GB News as having an identity politics agenda when it is the liberal left that have forced all the political correctness and identity politics on us in the first place. Liberals who are comfortable with that, don't have a problem. Conservatives though do. We seem to be split down the middle on that one.

There is a place for GB News if it has an audience who wants to watch it.

Apart from the headlines I don't tend to watch much news as it drifts into 'opinion' territory very quickly. I've usually made my mind up on issues. 2/3 main news stories of the day. Thank you very much.

Just a recent example. Sky seemed a bit obssessed with Black Lives Matter. Put me off listening to them. I just turned off.

ohnonotgmail · 17-06-2021 09:34AM

Cal4567 wrote: »

Very good points. Usually ignored by liberals as they fear for being labelled racist if they mention such things, so they just avoid.

Quite amusing having left and liberal commentators, both here and on social media, decrying the likes of GB News as having an identity politics agenda when it is the liberal left that have forced all the political correctness and identity politics on us in the first place. Liberals who are comfortable with that, don't have a problem. Conservatives though do. We seem to be split down the middle on that one.

There is a place for GB News if it has an audience who wants to watch it.

Apart from the headlines I don't tend to watch much news as it drifts into 'opinion' territory very quickly. I've usually made my mind up on issues. 2/3 main news stories of the day. Thank you very much.

Just a recent example. Sky seemed a bit obssessed with Black Lives Matter. Put me off listening to them. I just turned off.

You won't be watching GBNews then as it is ALL opinion.

I see sheep · 17-06-2021 09:41AM

Cal4567 wrote: »

There is a place for GB News if it has an audience who wants to watch it.

I'm sure it has, there are a huge number of stupid people in the UK.

Cal4567 · 17-06-2021 09:45AM

I see sheep wrote: »

I'm sure it has, there are a huge number of stupid people in the UK.

It's this sort of smugness that contributes nothing. What do you want me to say, that half of Ireland is just as thick?

We can't really play the moral high card either looking at ourselves.

ancapailldorcha · 17-06-2021 09:53AM

KildareP wrote: »

Same reason Newstalk hasn't, it serves a purpose other than profit.
(Remains to be seen if that will change with the new owners)

What will be interesting to see is how GB News positions itself in the coming weeks and months. I don't see it failing spectacularly like many seem to be gleefully declaring it will. However if Discovery are to prop it up as a loss leader then it doesn't sit well within their traditional portfolio of reality and factual programming.

Well, yes. That was my question.

17-06-2021 09:55AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've no doubt that after a few weeks, you'll both be saying, "Well, it's who's watching after the first year that's important".

You do seem to be getting pretty annoyed at us for not taking it very seriously...

I see sheep · 17-06-2021 10:07AM

Cal4567 wrote: »

. What do you want me to say, that half of Ireland is just as thick?

No a channel like this would fail instantly in Ireland, people in the UK have been brainwashed by the right wing press for a long time and Ireland is nowhere close to that (at the moment, that might change).

listermint · 17-06-2021 10:10AM

Cal4567 wrote: »

It's this sort of smugness that contributes nothing. What do you want me to say, that half of Ireland is just as thick?

We can't really play the moral high card either looking at ourselves.

Specifically why ? I think we are playing the moral high card quite well in the last few years not being dragged down into the mud of identity politics and wide scale culture wars by internet edge lords who think they are being victimised but in reality their existence is much the same as it was ten , twenty , thirty years ago however now you can't quite rightly get away with being a racist or homophobic prick to someone in a pub because you will be called out for it .

In many ways decency and respect is expected now more than ever. And that really pains the edgelords. They'd really like Ireland to be an economic and social backwater again.

Wonder why. It's always perplexing.

ancapailldorcha · 17-06-2021 10:12AM

I see sheep wrote: »

No a channel like this would fail instantly in Ireland, people in the UK have been brainwashed by the right wing press for a long time and Ireland is nowhere close to that (at the moment, that might change).

As Quin_Dub has succinctly explained, private news channels aren't really commercially viable. The ones that currently exist are well established and/or publicly funded.

I doubt RTÉ News would be viable as a new and private entity in a small country of a few million people in the age of social media and Youtube. It's baffling that GB News adopted the onerous model of a TV news channel when it's just a glorified Youtube channel of bitter people moaning about woke.

livia21 · 17-06-2021 10:17AM

Penn wrote: »

"GB News is going to give a voice to those ignored by the mainstream media! It's going to speak to the silent majority of the the country, the true British people, and what they want to hear!"

GB News Guest: "Jeffrey Epstein technically wasn't a paedophile, and the Prince Andrew accusations aren't as bad as BILL CLINTON!!!!"
https://twitter.com/evolvepolitics/status/1404939123106975744?s=20

They're also getting hit with reading out texts or emails from the likes of Mike Hunt and Mike Oxlong

I know Andrew Neil is a staunch Unionist but the ticker on that clip is beyond childish.
Cabinet Ofice Minister Micheal Gove

Chancellor Rishi Sunak

Sturgeon...not only did she not get her First Minister title..but she didn't even get her first name lol

Also I recall Andrew Neil on GMB awhile back telling Piers Morgan that he would not allow Harry and Megan be mentioned on GB News

Morgans · 17-06-2021 10:26AM

livia21 wrote: »

Also I recall Andrew Neil on GMB awhile back telling Piers Morgan that he would not allow Harry and Megan be mentioned on GB News

Cancel culture gone mad

Timberrrrrrrr · 17-06-2021 10:30AM

I see sheep wrote: »

No [b[a channel like this would fail instantly in Ireland, [/b]people in the UK have been brainwashed by the right wing press for a long time and Ireland is nowhere close to that (at the moment, that might change).

How long would it take to fail? What makes you think.its a success in the UK? I don't know anyone who watches it, most people.i have talked to about it didn't even know it was on air.

17-06-2021 10:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You do seem to be getting pretty annoyed at us for not taking it very seriously...

Not at all.

All I see is a collection of left-leaning posters come together to trash GB News because of its political slant. Trashing the mechanics of the channel is just a convenient cover for the real motive. As I've said before, had it been a Left-leaning channel, the same posters trashing the mechanics would just call them teething issues.

That said, I don't require that kind of collective approval or validation.

I've watched quite a bit of GB News, and I've been rather impressed. I don't mind the odd sound issue or presentation problem.

Many old PlayStation games were riddled with issues, but that didn't stop them being great games to this day.

silverharp · 17-06-2021 10:37AM

listermint wrote: »

Specifically why ? I think we are playing the moral high card quite well in the last few years not being dragged down into the mud of identity politics and wide scale culture wars by internet edge lords who think they are being victimised but in reality their existence is much the same as it was ten , twenty , thirty years ago however now you can't quite rightly get away with being a racist or homophobic prick to someone in a pub because you will be called out for it .

In many ways decency and respect is expected now more than ever. And that really pains the edgelords. They'd really like Ireland to be an economic and social backwater again.

Wonder why. It's always perplexing.

except now you can call white people "gammon" which I assume pale skin=pig kind of reference, use any derogatory slur you want so long as its about men, and if you dont live in a shoe box in a big city with a cubical job you are an oik
#Peace&love #bekind

New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

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