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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #4442
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    timmyntc wrote: »
    But its not a single event - as previously mentioned, these types of gatherings have been happening for months. All manner of street drinking, protests/marches etc, "the scenes in salthill" and no spikes.

    If it is the case that 50% of people would likely be isolating, then surely that gives plenty of credence to the idea that outdoor gatherings are low risk anyways? As there is less chance of a sick person being around in the first place!

    Maybe thats the reason we are much higher than most of Europe at the moment


  • #4443
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Arghus wrote: »
    Great stuff there from Michael McNamara.

    Spent thirty seconds on mute and then asked a question that had already been asked and answered.

    What a dude.

    I would be certain if a NPHET representative did similar you would excuse it as a genuine mistake


  • #4444
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I would be certain if a NPHET representative did similar you would excuse it as a genuine mistake
    Ah now, Michael's got game in this area!


  • #4445
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,386 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I would be certain if a NPHET representative did similar you would excuse it as a genuine mistake

    No, to be honest, I'd probably think they'd look stupid too. If you spent months asking for someone to appear before a committee and then when the day finally comes, you end up asking an irrelevant question that someone has already asked and answered... looks pretty stupid to me.

    If one of the NPHET members did that I'd wonder a bit about them alright, but so far I've only seen Michael McNamara do it.

    Fantastic whataboutery though. You've it down to a fine art at this stage, fair play.


  • #4446
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    So basically NEPHETs stance is that it's better to catch zero cases than some cases. Tony said that countries using Antigen tests for travel were countries that don't have PCR testing capacity. That's a flat out lie ?
    I can affirm that I, in the last hour got a PCR test in a country which allows antigen test for travel. There I am €89 euro poorer for the experience all becuase Irish Government are being advised by Thundering idiots.


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  • #4447
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    *...generously applies alcohol-based solution to hands whilst adjusting microphone height*

    Good afternoon everybody.

    Today we are reporting 329 new cases of COVID-19, bringing our national total to 267,596. There have been no additional deaths.

    As of 8am this morning, there are currently 57 patients hospitalized with the virus with 19 in critical care.

    Our 14-day incidence of the disease is 105 cases per 100,000 population.


  • #4448
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Maybe thats the reason we are much higher than most of Europe at the moment

    Yeah 19 people in ICU.

    One of the worst in Europe.....


  • #4449
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,831 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    It's great that there is plenty of ICU capacity. Better to be able to offer it to people to aid quicker recovery.

    So good to see the moving average dropping away too and that the Alpha variant remains dominant and evident here while we effectively suppress the more dangerous Delta variant.

    Vaccination is definitely beginning to sweep the virus away now, another 330,000+ doses scheduled to be put in arms this week, there should be great optimism about a much more normal feeling summer to come.


  • #4450
    Timmy O Toole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Yeah 19 people in ICU.

    One of the worst in Europe.....

    Its asymptomatic cases that count, not serious illness!


  • #4451
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Ah now, Michael's got game in this area!

    In fairness to him he was the only politician to stick his head above the parapet and ask for discussion behind the decisions since March 2020

    We’ve literally handed nPHEt the remit to run the country regardless of cost since 2020, even if the many of the decisions and guidance was in complete contrast to every other nation across the globe

    On a side note I see it’s headline news that the planned corporate tax adjustments will cost Ireland €2,000,000,000 per year

    Which is about the same amount per annum, as the current Covid bill in Ireland per fortnight since this began in 2020

    It would take about 40 years for the corporate tax take reductions to be as costly as covid


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  • #4452
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    It's great that there is plenty of ICU capacity. Better to be able to offer it to people to aid quicker recovery.

    So good to see the moving average dropping away too and that the Alpha variant remains dominant and evident here while we effectively suppress the more dangerous Delta variant.
    .
    Are we?Or are we just doing our best to slow its rate of increase.?

    Any figures?

    Is the ratio of Alpha to Delta stable? Decreasing? Increasing?


  • #4453
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    amandstu wrote: »
    Are we?Or are we just doing our best to slow its rate of increase.?

    Any figures?

    Is the ratio of Alpha to Delta stable? Decreasing? Increasing?

    They are trying to slow it.. it is inevitable that delta will become dominant here, they just hope to buy an extra month of vaccination IMO


  • #4454
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    eskimohunt wrote: »
    *...generously applies alcohol-based solution to hands whilst adjusting microphone height*

    Good afternoon everybody.

    Today we are reporting 329 new cases of COVID-19, bringing our national total to 267,596. There have been no additional deaths.

    As of 8am this morning, there are currently 57 patients hospitalized with the virus with 19 in critical care.

    Our 14-day incidence of the disease is 105 cases per 100,000 population.

    Great to see those figures


  • #4455
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    In fairness to him he was the only politician to stick his head above the parapet and ask for discussion behind the decisions since March 2020

    We’ve literally handed nPHEt the remit to run the country regardless of cost since 2020, even if the many of the decisions and guidance was in complete contrast to every other nation across the globe

    On a side note I see it’s headline news that the planned corporate tax adjustments will cost Ireland €2,000,000,000 per year

    Which is about the same amount per annum, as the current Covid bill in Ireland per fortnight since this began in 2020

    It would take about 40 years for the corporate tax take reductions to be as costly as covid

    Whatever happened to the Covid Response committee he was chair of? I found him to be very good, given that the opposition in the Dail have seemed to have all collectively lost their voice.


  • #4456
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    mloc123 wrote: »
    They are trying to slow it.. it is inevitable that delta will become dominant here, they just hope to buy an extra month of vaccination IMO
    Not looking very likely to be much of an issue for us as there are very few cases.


  • #4457
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Excuse me!

    He did not say it was optimistic for it to go ahead. He said he would eat his hat if it went ahead. And I pointed it out that 25million in funding was made available to ensure such events could go ahead. Now thats a large commitment that they want such events to go ahead. So I advised that he may like some condiments with his hat, because I am optimistic that a commitment has been signalled.

    And in what way is that condescending?

    If anyone thinks it will go ahead, in the way it used to go ahead, they're badly mistaken.

    A festival of that magnitude takes almost a full year of planning and organising. Funding of that amount does nothing to speed it up or to bring it all together on such short notice. Throw in that embarrassment from the Iveagh Gardens, it will be a, for the want of a better term, ****show!

    About what? A few thousand, squared and completely spaced out in a field, at the end of September?

    Pointless


  • #4458
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not looking very likely to be much of an issue for us as there are very few cases.

    It already accounts for 25% up north, it is only a matter of time until it is dominant up there and then in turn here


  • #4459
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    The pace at which hospital and ICU figures continue to decline is amazing.

    This day last year we reported 13 cases. 62 in hospital and 20 in ICU.

    This day this year we reported 329 cases. 57 in hospital and 19 in ICU.

    We've had a 16% drop in ICU in one day. If we head into July with ~30 in hospital and 10 in ICU there will be serious pressure to really open up. This is an incredibly mild illness for those getting it now. We need to get the country back on its feet and relax restrictions fully over the summer before winter hits.


  • #4460
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    mloc123 wrote: »
    It already accounts for 25% up north, it is only a matter of time until it is dominant up there and then in turn here
    25% of a low number is an even lower number of cases.


  • #4461
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    is_that_so wrote: »
    25% of a low number is an even lower number of cases.

    Sure... but at some stage a few weeks go it was 1% etc.. It will almost certainly replace the Alpha as the dominant strain here, as the R number for Delta is 2x(?) Alpha... the question is how long it will take


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  • #4462
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Sure... but at some stage a few weeks go it was 1% etc.. It will almost certainly replace the Alpha as the dominant strain here, as the R number for Delta is 2x(?) Alpha... the question is how long it will take
    Yeah, but we have a very tiny number of cases and no evidence that it's growing plus our own cases are declining.


  • #4463
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    My silly sister in law booked flights to Scotland for mid August, Do ye think she can go there and come back without some form of isolation on her return


  • #4464
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    marno21 wrote: »
    The pace at which hospital and ICU figures continue to decline is amazing.

    This day last year we reported 13 cases. 62 in hospital and 20 in ICU.

    This day this year we reported 329 cases. 57 in hospital and 19 in ICU.

    We've had a 16% drop in ICU in one day. If we head into July with ~30 in hospital and 10 in ICU there will be serious pressure to really open up. This is an incredibly mild illness for those getting it now. We need to get the country back on its feet and relax restrictions fully over the summer before winter hits.

    Not knowing the positivity rate is killing me. Last year around this time the weekly positivity rate was ~0.8%. I would assume it's about the same now, but we're doing lots more testing and finding lots more cases.
    Did Reid or anyone else talk about positivity rate or number of tests done in the past month? I haven't seen anything.


  • #4465
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Yeah 19 people in ICU.

    One of the worst in Europe.....

    Much higher than much of Europe does not equal worst.


  • #4466
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Much higher than much of Europe does not equal worst.

    I said one of the worst (which MUCH higher would have to be.)

    Is 4 people per ever million of population in ICU (the most severe/important cases) much higher than most of Europe?


  • #4467
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Deleted User wrote: »
    He said he would eat his hat if it went ahead.
    There was a poster last year that said he'd eat his shoe on youtube if there was another lockdown. I know the clothes shops are open again, but come on, guys..


  • #4468
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    Its asymptomatic cases that count, not serious illness!

    I would love to see this evidence of high proportion of asymptomatic cases at the moment and not just lazy rhetoric


  • #4469
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I would love to see this evidence of high proportion of asymptomatic cases at the moment and not just lazy rhetoric

    Well we are averaging say 300 cases a day so 2100 a week.

    And there’s 57 people in hospital.

    I’d say you’re looking at 5/6 admissions a day on a average to be at that number.

    Which would suggests nearly all cases are mild.


  • #4470
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    I said one of the worst (which MUCH higher would have to be.)

    Is 4 people per ever million of population in ICU (the most severe/important cases) much higher than most of Europe?

    Which is not relevant to the discussion which is around the impact of gatherings on case numbers. The contention being they have no impact with the counter argument being that given we are supposedly completely repressed compared to all of Europe why have we higher cases than much of Europe


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  • #4471
    Timmy O Toole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I would love to see this evidence of high proportion of asymptomatic cases at the moment and not just lazy rhetoric

    Hospitalisations is your evidence.


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