Do you believe in UFOs & flying saucers ?

14-06-2021 10:34am

emo72 wrote: »

Yeah. Your right. All 3 of your propositions are equally valid. Either way they would all be amazing if true.

Yeah the mind powers one would be my favourite. As much as I hate liars and charlatans like Deepak Chopra - wouldn't it be so cool if the universe was in fact a consciousness field? And if we all got enlightened enough we would essentially be able to modify reality like Neo does in the Matrix.

It's funny how sceptics are often made out to be close minded or biased away from these "truths". But a universe of mind powers - or aliens visiting us - would be so super cool. I would love it all to be true.

The being sceptic part just means I notice that there is no reason to think any of it is at all true. Shame really

Ninthlife · 14-06-2021 10:35am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that nonsense belongs in the conspiracy theories forum.

You cant just dismiss everything that doesnt suit your own opinions.

Im not stating any of it to be true but im nit going to say its rubbish either.

Its all possible and what he has said in the past is matching some of the info that is now being released.

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2021 10:36am

Ninthlife wrote: »

You cant just dismiss everything that doesnt suit your own opinions.

Im not stating any of it to be true but im nit going to say its rubbish either.

Its all possible and what he has said in the past is matching some of the info that is now being released.

i was referring specifically to the part I bolded.

Ninthlife · 14-06-2021 10:37am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah the mind powers one would be my favourite. As much as I hate liars and charlatans like Deepak Chopra - wouldn't it be so cool if the universe was in fact a consciousness field? And if we all got enlightened enough we would essentially be able to modify reality like Neo does in the Matrix.

It's funny how sceptics are often made out to be close minded or biased away from these "truths". But a universe of mind powers - or aliens visiting us - would be so super cool. I would love it all to be true.

The being sceptic part just means I notice that there is no reason to think any of it is at all true. Shame really

Steven Greer talks a good bit about conciousness in the documentary Unacknowledged.

Edit** sorry its Close Encounters of the 5th Kind

Ninthlife · 14-06-2021 10:40am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i was referring specifically to the part I bolded.

I know..

Its not beyond the realms of possibility that the US Government could do it though

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2021 10:42am

Ninthlife wrote: »

I know..

Its not beyond the realms of possibility that the US Government could do it though

hence it belongs in conspiracy theories.

Ninthlife · 14-06-2021 1:42pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

hence it belongs in conspiracy theories.

Alot of what is discussed and theorized about these UAP phenomenons could belong in the conspiracy theory forum.

I dont think what will be contained in the report due to be released is going to be anything that isnt already known and there will be alot of things redacted too.

silliussoddius · 14-06-2021 2:05pm

Ninthlife wrote: »

Steven Greer talks a good bit about conciousness in the documentary Unacknowledged.

Edit** sorry its Close Encounters of the 5th Kind

And for $399 you can go make contact.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/ce5-contact-cosmic-consciousness-and-meditation-with-dr-steven-greer-tickets-145092783421

maccored · 14-06-2021 3:34pm

silliussoddius wrote: »

And for $399 you can go make contact.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/ce5-contact-cosmic-consciousness-and-meditation-with-dr-steven-greer-tickets-145092783421

thats for a weekend of meditation

silliussoddius · 14-06-2021 3:37pm

maccored wrote: »

thats for a weekend of meditation

Pure woo, invoking him doesn't help the current UFO conversation.

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ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2021 4:32pm

Ninthlife wrote: »

Alot of what is discussed and theorized about these UAP phenomenons could belong in the conspiracy theory forum.

I dont think what will be contained in the report due to be released is going to be anything that isnt already known and there will be alot of things redacted too.

speculation on the nature of these UFOs is not a conspiracy. Claiming that somebody has deleted your degree is a conspiracy.

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2021 4:32pm

silliussoddius wrote: »

Pure woo, invoking him doesn't help the current UFO conversation.

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Your innate ability to open two-way communication with extraterrestrial civilizations
Authentic tools for making direct contact using consciousness, remote viewing, sound, and light
The science of consciousness, physics of infinite mind, and the universe as a conscious living being
Meditation techniques using Sanskrit mantra, breathing meditation, and advanced techniques in sacred geometry
How we transform the earth through mass consciousness, creating a peaceful, universal civilization that travels among the stars
Practical guidance on how ETs appear and what to look for: trans-dimensional physics and travel, teleportation, and experienced phenomena
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That is a lot of woo. A LOT.

emo72 · 14-06-2021 4:35pm

Yeah, we'd be better off leaving Greer out of this conversation. I've watched his documentaries work an open mind, but he definitely comes across as a charlatan.

Fuzzyduzzy · 14-06-2021 5:16pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well you started by saying that his words in the video were "Nonsense" and then when called to explain that - you have not actually shown anything he has said to be nonsense.

So now you appear to be abandoning that in favour of attacking his character instead. But I suspect if I ask you to explain that - you will similarly fail. But let us try all the same. What has he said or done that shows him to be close minded exactly? Where has he valued his own opinion over evidence exactly?

Or is getting annoyed at the sense of humour of others - and name calling - all you have?

The "tone" you say that in makes it sound huge. But considering the number of people in a city of that size and the time frame involved - it is the opposite. It is hardly anything at all.

That so many people - over such a stretched period of time - would occasionally see something that they themselves can not explain - is statistically uninteresting to be honest.

We are looking at someone who's too engrossed in their own opinion to ever change their mind. The facts are dismissed and silly remarks are made. The same can be said for Neil, although at least he makes a living out of it ðŸ˜

Fuzzyduzzy · 14-06-2021 5:20pm

Ninthlife wrote: »

Whether he ran one or not doesnt really change his opinion or experience on the subject.

The story behind him having no college degree is stated that it was 'erased' to discredit him. Records show he did work a Los Alamos National Lab

I think that court case actually helped his story, as the judge was denied access to his work and education history which he, while in court under oath, repeated that they were where he studied and worked. That would have been a good time to not comment or come clean.

kingtiger · 14-06-2021 5:59pm

Ninthlife wrote: »

Steven Greer talks a good bit about conciousness in the documentary Unacknowled

That's the sort of bollocks that makes actual scientific studies of UAPs unpalatable for most scientists

Ninthlife · 14-06-2021 6:53pm

kingtiger wrote: »

That's the sort of bollocks that makes actual scientific studies of UAPs unpalatable for most scientists

Im not into the consciousness stuff i was just stating to taxAHcruel who said he liked the idea of consciousness that Greer speaks about it.

I watched that documentary, Close Encounters of the 5th Kind, and the consciousness theory wasnt very convincing.

kingtiger · 14-06-2021 7:14pm

Ninthlife wrote: »

I watched that documentary, Close Encounters of the 5th Kind, and the consciousness theory wasnt very convincing.

I had the misfortune as well to sit through 20 mins of Close Encounters

What a load of sh1te

Ninthlife · 14-06-2021 7:20pm

kingtiger wrote: »

I had the misfortune as well to sit through 20 mins of Close Encounters

What a load of sh1te

The other I mentioned was the better one, Unacknowledged.

Fuzzyduzzy · 14-06-2021 8:27pm

https://twitter.com/ufobelievers/status/1404207949774561292?s=20

Hamsterchops · 14-06-2021 8:53pm

So what was the upshot of this Phoenix event in 1997.

Still Unidentified, still Unexplained?

Fuzzyduzzy · 14-06-2021 8:58pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

So what was the upshot of this Phoenix event in 1997.

Still Unidentified, still Unexplained?

Yes it just got left there, ignored. In my opinion the greatest modern mass sighting.

15-06-2021 5:26am

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

We are looking at someone who's too engrossed in their own opinion to ever change their mind. The facts are dismissed and silly remarks are made. The same can be said for Neil, although at least he makes a living out of it ðŸ˜

So rather than answer the questions I asked you - about the personal comments you are throwing at other people - you have ignored the question and simply repeated the personal comments.

You know repeating something over and over does not magically make it true - right?

What you have not done is shown anything the man said to be "nonsense" or any of the personal attacks on him warranted. You just insult and run basically.

Ninthlife wrote: »

Im not into the consciousness stuff i was just stating to taxAHcruel who said he liked the idea of consciousness that Greer speaks about it.

Of course by "Like it" I would mean it would be cool to live in that kind of universe

I do not "like it" in terms of actually thinking any of that nonsense is remotely true.

Hamsterchops · 15-06-2021 6:03am

UFOs are suddenly all the talk in Washington.

After 75 years of taboo and ridicule, serious people can finally discuss the mysterious flying objects, and even skeptics say that's a good thing.

NBC News https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/truth-embargo-ufos-are-suddenly-all-talk-washington-n1270560

15-06-2021 6:06am

I think sceptics always thought it was a good thing to discuss the unknown and theorise as to what possible explanations there are.

The only thing sceptics take issue with generally is jumping to conclusions like "I saw something flying - I don't know what it was - therefore aliens"

But I am yet to meet a sceptic who ever said something like "I saw something flying - I don't know what it was - so let's never speak of this again"

15-06-2021 6:29am

:pac: Gravity propulsion? Inexplicable physics? Data that suggests the region around some of these craft is colder than the surrounding space?

With all due respect, that is nothing more than an amalgam of half-truths and ill-informed speculation.

What we are dealing with here folks is obviously a 'time propulsion' system that uses crystals to create a time horizon around the craft. During these phases the craft actually moves nowhere in time or space but it appears to 'travel' because the rest of the universe keeps on moving in time and space around it. Quite frankly, it's a lovely design that is also quite economical since time crystals are cheap and the system doesn't require massive engines to travel large distances.

These craft look to us like objects that can move huge distances in earth's atmosphere at incredible speeds. This is only partially correct. What we are actually witnessing are craft that go nowhere while the earth moves around them. Hope this helps.

(Propulsion is a bit of a misnomer since the principle behind these craft is 'let the Universe do the work' but I use the phrase out of kindness to make it easier for earthlets to understand, for the full description please buy my ebook or visit my Patreon 'Alien Patriots for Q' and make a donation.)

Hamsterchops · 15-06-2021 6:39am

MeepMeep2021 wrote: »

What we are dealing with here folks is obviously a 'time propulsion' system that uses crystals to create a time horizon around the craft. During these phases the craft actually moves nowhere in time or space but it appears to 'travel' because the rest of the universe keeps on moving in time and space around it. Quite frankly, it's a lovely design that is also quite economical since time crystals are cheap and the system doesn't require massive engines to travel large distances. Hope this helps.

(Propulsion is a bit of a misnomer since the principle behind these craft is 'let the Universe do the work' but I use the phrase out of kindness to make it easier for earthlets to understand, for the full description please buy my ebook or visit my Patreon 'Alien Patriots for Q' and make a donation.)

Hope this helps, really :cool:

Think you've been watching too much Star Trek.

15-06-2021 6:44am

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Hope this helps, really :cool:

No good deed goes unpunished. :pac:

steddyeddy · 15-06-2021 9:40am

Deleted User wrote: »

I think sceptics always thought it was a good thing to discuss the unknown and theorise as to what possible explanations there are.

The only thing sceptics take issue with generally is jumping to conclusions like "I saw something flying - I don't know what it was - therefore aliens"

But I am yet to meet a sceptic who ever said something like "I saw something flying - I don't know what it was - so let's never speak of this again"

You're classifying sceptics as an homogenous entity. Your characterisation is demonstrably untrue for some individuals. Even a cursory glance at this thread or the broader sceptic world would reveal that some self described sceptics ridicule those for even discussing this subject.

15-06-2021 9:54am

steddyeddy wrote: »

You're classifying sceptics as an homogenous entity. Your characterisation is demonstrably untrue for some individuals. Even a cursory glance at this thread or the broader sceptic world would reveal that some self described sceptics ridicule those for even discussing this subject.

Sure I am talking in generalities. There are always exceptions to any generalities. I thought that was a given.

But having said that the word "sceptic" has a very clear definition.

Well actually two if we want to be pedantic. But the older philosophical usage is probably less relevant than the vernacular usage here on this thread and is more akin to what Huxley meant when he created the word "agnostic".

But the definition of sceptic like "a person inclined to question or doubt accepted opinion" is pretty clear and if someone is ridiculing anyone for even discussing something - then I question whether you can validly call him sceptical at all.

But we can be sceptic and still ridicule people leaping to conclusions. The people who are taking a video of a few lights - and calling other people arrogant for not falling over and accepting it is aliens - very much deserve our ridicule. That is not mutually exclusive with scepticism. The two can be done entirely in parallel.

But if someone is genuinely being an asswipe - then "sceptic" is not the right label to be using there

Fuzzyduzzy · 15-06-2021 3:00pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So rather than answer the questions I asked you - about the personal comments you are throwing at other people - you have ignored the question and simply repeated the personal comments.

You know repeating something over and over does not magically make it true - right?

What you have not done is shown anything the man said to be "nonsense" or any of the personal attacks on him warranted. You just insult and run basically.

Of course by "Like it" I would mean it would be cool to live in that kind of universe

I do not "like it" in terms of actually thinking any of that nonsense is remotely true.

Re-read what I said if it does not make sense.
Honestly, I've read some of your other posts and I can see why he appeals to you so much. Focus on the positives of your interests and not the negatives of other people's interests, that can be a lonely road.

yourdeadwright · 15-06-2021 3:37pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

UFOs are suddenly all the talk in Washington.

After 75 years of taboo and ridicule, serious people can finally discuss the mysterious flying objects, and even skeptics say that's a good thing.

NBC News https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/truth-embargo-ufos-are-suddenly-all-talk-washington-n1270560

Smoke & mirrors there hiding something ,It's an look over here & not what we are doing over here job ,

If the US government and the US military really had no idea what was going on they would be at defcon 5 trying to figure it out , it's all way to relaxed,

Sure look at the panic over a virus that 98% of us survive ,

Convinced they are military drones & the military are using the whole oh we don't no what they are either tactic

Fuzzyduzzy · 15-06-2021 4:38pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Smoke & mirrors there hiding something ,It's an look over here & not what we are doing over here job ,

If the US government and the US military really had no idea what was going on they would be at defcon 5 trying to figure it out , it's all way to relaxed,

Sure look at the panic over a virus that 98% of us survive ,

Convinced they are military drones & the military are using the whole oh we don't no what they are either tactic

The same objects with the same characteristics have been reported for 70+ years. This is not a recent weapon or gadget the Americans have invented. My guess is that the grip is loosening on the top security clearance military factions that have had the reigns of this.

Hamsterchops · 15-06-2021 5:50pm

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

The same objects with the same characteristics have been reported for 70+ years. This is not a recent weapon or gadget the Americans have invented. My guess is that the grip is loosening on the top security clearance military factions that have had the reigns of this.

Well said, it's what a lot of 'Newbies" to this topic always overlook, that is the fact that this phenomon has been with us lone before 21st century drones were even thought of.

So many sightings, from "the Foo Fighters" in WWII, right up to the Phoenix incident in 97' long before drones were around, and even if they were, it wouldn't explain many of the sightings.

I admit I don't have a theory myself, and I doubt it's aliens, I know it's not US test vehicles, I also know it cannot be Chinese or Russian, not if you take accounts from several decades ago, so then what are they?

For a while I was going down the ball lightening track [to a dead end], because then we hear US Navy eye witness accounts that these things really are whitish-metallic craft, which takes me back to square one again - So I have zero idea what they are.

Ten days to go till the report is released . . . .

Fuzzyduzzy · 15-06-2021 5:54pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Well said, it's what a lot of 'Newbies" to this topic always overlook, that is the fact that this phenomon has been with us lone before 21st century drones were even thought of.

So many sightings, from "the Foo Fighters" in WWII right up to the Phoenix incident in 97' long before drones were around, and even if they were it wouldn't explain many of the sightings.

I admit I don't have a theory myself, and I doubt it's aliens, I know it's not US test vehicles, I also know it cannot be Chinese or Russian, not if you take accounts from several decades ago, so then what are they?

For a while I was going down the ball lightening track to a dead end, then we hear US Navy eye witness accounts that these things really are whitish-metallic craft, which takes me back to square one again - I have zero idea what they are.

Ten days to go till the report is released . . . .

Very true, the most logical viewpoint to have at the moment is "I don't know". Anyone on either side, those who make closed-minded jokes on t.v. about it not being real or those who state it's definitely extra-terrestrial are clearly talking out their arses.

Steve012 · 15-06-2021 5:55pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Well said, it's what a lot of 'Newbies" to this topic always overlook, that is the fact that this phenomon has been with us lone before 21st century drones were even thought of.

So many sightings, from "the Foo Fighters" in WWII, right up to the Phoenix incident in 97' long before drones were around, and even if they were, it wouldn't explain many of the sightings.

I admit I don't have a theory myself, and I doubt it's aliens, I know it's not US test vehicles, I also know it cannot be Chinese or Russian, not if you take accounts from several decades ago, so then what are they?

For a while I was going down the ball lightening track [to a dead end], because then we hear US Navy eye witness accounts that these things really are whitish-metallic craft, which takes me back to square one again - So I have zero idea what they are.

I have been looking at this topic for 20 years, a lot of high up people, actually don't know if they are from other planets or inter dimensional. All I know is they are there... This upcoming report will be interesting.

steddyeddy · 15-06-2021 7:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Sure I am talking in generalities. There are always exceptions to any generalities. I thought that was a given.

Indeed but what you refer to as exceptions are actually prominent figures in scepticism.

But having said that the word "sceptic" has a very clear definition.

Well actually two if we want to be pedantic. But the older philosophical usage is probably less relevant than the vernacular usage here on this thread and is more akin to what Huxley meant when he created the word "agnostic".

But the definition of sceptic like "a person inclined to question or doubt accepted opinion" is pretty clear and if someone is ridiculing anyone for even discussing something - then I question whether you can validly call him sceptical at all.

Well again these are definitions. I'm talking about key players in the modern sceptic movement.

But we can be sceptic and still ridicule people leaping to conclusions. The people who are taking a video of a few lights - and calling other people arrogant for not falling over and accepting it is aliens - very much deserve our ridicule. That is not mutually exclusive with scepticism. The two can be done entirely in parallel.

Ridiculing people and shutting down views isn't what the scientific method is about. Sceptics who do it are actually holding back science. There's many cases of scientists being ridiculed and dismissed by sceptics throughout history. It's OK to make conclusions based on incomplete data. It is not, however, OK to expect your conclusions be accepted based on incomplete data.

I don't know what these things are but the evidence goes against conventional aircraft, balloons or weather phenomenon.

Jumping to conclusions is also something that prominent self described sceptics such as Mick West does. He states that the objects being seen and described by pilots and radar operators as being more advanced than anything we have are all prosaic objects such as balloons, flares or commercial aircraft. He has no evidence for that and his analysis of the FLIR videos taken by pilots was described as amateur and ridiculous by the pilots themselves.

In other words some sceptics have difficulty saying the words scientists often have to say and that is "we don't know what these things are". Trained radar operators, Navy pilots and aerospace engineers (Chad Underwood) are saying we don't know what these things are. Ridiculing them for reporting this like some sceptics are doing is antagonistic to all things science.

[/QUOTE]But if someone is genuinely being an asswipe - then "sceptic" is not the right label to be using there

[/QUOTE]

I think people can be asswipes and sceptics as they can be asswipes and scientists.

Fuzzyduzzy · 15-06-2021 7:39pm

https://twitter.com/JeremyCorbell/status/1404880177734119424?s=20

Psychlops · 15-06-2021 8:29pm

UAP Intercept?

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/41089/hawaii-based-f-22s-scrambled-on-faas-request-but-nobody-will-say-why

Hamsterchops · 15-06-2021 10:28pm

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JeremyCorbell/status/1404880177734119424?s=20

Amazing if that's the disturbance Fravor & Co were describing, but what is it, what is that thing in the water?

Fuzzyduzzy · 16-06-2021 6:34am

https://twitter.com/NickMadrid16/status/1404980580769468419?s=20

16-06-2021 7:46am

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

Re-read what I said if it does not make sense.

There is nothing to re-read. You claimed that what he said was "nonsense". When asked to show what was nonsense you could not do it.

Instead you just got personal against him. And then when asked to back up the personal comments - you could not do that either.

And now you are trying to shift it to make it about me instead.

You really have nothing do you?

16-06-2021 7:55am

steddyeddy wrote: »

Indeed but what you refer to as exceptions are actually prominent figures in scepticism. Well again these are definitions. I'm talking about key players in the modern sceptic movement.

Without specifics I really can not respond. I have no idea what or who you are talking about to be honest.

But as I said - the word "sceptic" has a very specific meaning. And if someone is merely insulting people for coming up with hypotheses then that is not being sceptical - that is just being an asswipe.

But there is a difference between putting derision on coming up with hypotheses - and on thinking those hypotheses are true for no reason. There is nothing sceptical about the former. There is nothing at all wrong with the latter.

steddyeddy wrote: »

Ridiculing people and shutting down views isn't what the scientific method is about. Sceptics who do it are actually holding back science.

If any science is offered - sure! You would be right. But I think the derision and ridicule being levelled against people who are not offering any science but are still holding to random ideas as if those ideas are true is a very different thing entirely. Look at the user I responded to above for example. There is nothing at this time to suggest flying things we have not identified are of alien origin. And if a sceptic points this out their entire argument is dismissed as "nonsense" and if that does not work the character of the speaker is just assassinated instead.

There is no science there. There is no science conversation to have with such a person making that approach. Only derision is warranted.

steddyeddy wrote: »

He states that the objects being seen and described by pilots and radar operators as being more advanced than anything we have are all prosaic objects

Very often they are. For example above someone called one "sighting" as one of the "best" there ever was. A simple and very quick reading of that incident show that the army openly acknowledge they dropped flares at that exact time. Other people have shown that sightings of such flares do look exactly like what people observed at the time. They even went so far as to say _exactly_ which aircraft dropped the flares and we even know the name of one of the pilots who confirmed himself he was in the formation that dropped the flares that night.

Yet this incident is still being called the "best" one????

steddyeddy wrote: »

In other words some sceptics have difficulty saying the words scientists often have to say and that is "we don't know what these things are".

And as I said - I would not call such a person a sceptic in the first place. If we do not know what an object is then the only approach a real sceptic by definition can take is say "We saw something - we do not know what it was - lets find out".

If any sceptic without evidence dismisses or overly praises any one explanation over another without any reason to do so - then that is not being sceptical. That is being biased.

MadYaker · 16-06-2021 8:00am

I wonder will Biden and Putin or any of their representatives be discussing this at their little get together. The Russians must have tonnes of footage if this is real.

Hamsterchops · 16-06-2021 8:50am

MadYaker wrote: »

I wonder will Biden and Putin or any of their representatives be discussing this at their little get together. The Russians must have tonnes of footage if this is real.

Oh for sure the Russians have footage, as do the Chinese, the British, the French and problably every other government on the planet, so it will be interesting to see if we hear more about official UAP reports from Russia & China.

Whatever happens on the 25th it looks like it will be a landmark moment in modern history, for there will be an official announcement that there really are things in our skies (intelligently controlled), and yet we don't know what they are and we don't know where they come from!

That's a Biggie.

Not saying it's aliens, not talking about flying saucers, not talking about Star Trek either, just wondering about what this phenomon really is?

Ninthlife · 16-06-2021 10:20am

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Oh for sure the Russians have footage, as do the Chinese, the British, the French and problably every other government on the planet, so it will be interesting to see if we hear more about official UAP reports from Russia & China.

Whatever happens on the 25th it looks like it will be a landmark moment in modern history, for there will be an official announcement that there really are things in our skies (intelligently controlled), and yet we don't know what they are and we don't know where they come from!

That's a Biggie.

Not saying it's aliens, not talking about flying saucers, not talking about Star Trek either, just wondering about what this phenomon really is?

Apart from acknowledging (which they've already done) and stating they are of unknown origin what else does anyone expect the report to contain?

Maybe further details of other instances? But apart from that there isnt a whole lot more to say

Hamsterchops · 16-06-2021 11:41am

I agree, probably not much more in the report, unless we all get a surprise of some kind? but I think even the fact that it's slowly dawning on us that (officially) there is something else unknown and unidentified in the skies should be enough to make everybody sit-up and pay attention.

It's quite amazing when you think about it.

Butson · 16-06-2021 2:10pm

People talk about Disclosure, like its going to be some event on the White House Lawn with Biden announcing little green men.

They have essentially done disclosure. They have said, quite clearly, that the US (greatest military power on Earth) have no idea what these things are.
If that is some sort of cloak and tagger tactic, it wouldn't be very smart. Also, testing secret projects around your own pilots, many of whom have said they were very close shaves, would be beyond stupid and dangerous.

The guy who took the video of the Tic Tac (not Fravor) said in an interview recently that he has a) flown black project aircraft and b) seen things he wasn't supposed to see and in both cases he had to sign NDAs and say nothing. This wasn't the case with the Tic Tac.

Fuzzyduzzy · 16-06-2021 4:35pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is nothing to re-read. You claimed that what he said was "nonsense". When asked to show what was nonsense you could not do it.

Instead you just got personal against him. And then when asked to back up the personal comments - you could not do that either.

And now you are trying to shift it to make it about me instead.

You really have nothing do you?

Read every post under the video of that clown. You are spending a lot of energy on here making the same arguments. Text a friend or something with at least half as much text, there's an amazing world (and universe) out there we know so little about. Let's be open minded.

HillCloudHop · 16-06-2021 9:44pm

I don't see any credible scientists in academia claiming that these UFOs are extra-terrestrial in origin. The closest we get is Harvard professor Avi Loeb, but that is regarding ʻOumuamu and even then the evidence for this is weak.

Do you believe in UFOs & flying saucers ?

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