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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #6392
    [Deleted User]
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    zackory wrote: »
    So all the other countries imploded in the face of UEFA ultimatums and brave Ireland stood up to them.

    Other countries make their own decisions for their own reasons. We should not be embarrassed because we decided in April that we could not give guarantees for June. Those who are embarrassed by it need to take along hard look at themselves and their chronic insecurities, as no one else gives a sh*t what we chose to do


  • #6393
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Boggles wrote: »
    The mad thing about children is they virtually all live with other people.

    It's traditionally called a family.

    Well done for figuring that out.


  • #6394
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Other countries make their own decisions for their own reasons. We should not be embarrassed because we decided in April that we could not give guarantees for June. Those who are embarrassed by it need to take along hard look at themselves and their chronic insecurities, as no one else gives a sh*t what we chose to do

    You are right, we bravely and courageously stood up to UEFA when every other country capitulated to their ultimatum.


  • #6395
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    zackory wrote: »
    You are right, we bravely and courageously stood up to UEFA when every other country capitulated to their ultimatum.

    We're sort of heros really...


  • #6396
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    zackory wrote: »
    You are right, we bravely and courageously stood up to UEFA when every other country capitulated to their ultimatum.

    Is reading comprehension an issue? Other people made their own decisions for their own reasons, which are no doubt nuanced and varied


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  • #6397
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    We're sort of heros really...

    No doubt about it, as we watch other countries party at the Euro's we can look on proud of the fact that we were brave and courageous enough to stand up to UEFA.

    Our finest hour.


  • #6398
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Boggles wrote: »
    Restrictions are a mitigation measure which invariable send less people to hospital.

    Is it your contention that we could have decreased hospital waiting list times with less restrictions?

    Is your contention that it's okay to have over 1 million people on waiting lists?

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #6399
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    We're sort of heros really...

    The city that fought an empire (from under the bed)


  • #6400
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,419 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    JRant wrote: »
    Is your contention that it's okay to half over 1 million people on waiting lists?

    No it's horrendous, but this the bulk of that occurred before Covid.

    Now if you could actually answer my question I'd appreciate it.
    Is it your contention that we could have decreased hospital waiting list times with less restrictions?


  • #6401
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/revealed-grim-toll-of-the-covid-19-pandemic-onour-children-40544749.html

    Ombudsman for children talking of the brutal impact of the pandemic on children. No sorry, the disease was pretty much harmless to children. It was the calculated decision to follow a policy of lengthy blanket lockdowns that has hit children. We cannot allow the waters to be muddied on this one.

    To be fair the restrictions taken were necessary, we cannot argue that really, it was and is what it is, but one line stood out for me.

    The U-turns and constant speculation compounded their anxiety, leaving them feeling exposed and unheard    ,”

    That wasn’t necessary, the speculation and kite flying of uncertainty wasn’t a necessary response to the pandemic and imho caused the most frustration amongst people I’ve spoken to.


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  • #6402
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Is reading comprehension an issue? Other people made their own decisions for their own reasons, which are no doubt nuanced and varied

    Yes but when every other country is making a different choice to you, do you not think to yourself, hang on why are we so different. If it was 60-40 or even 80-20 you could ignore it but we are they only country to say no.


  • #6403
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Boggles wrote: »
    No it's horrendous, but this the bulk of that occurred before Covid.

    Now if you could actually answer my question I'd appreciate it.

    Because we had a long waiting list before restrictions it's okay then to just keep adding to it with ever increasing numbers then?

    Makes perfect sense.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #6404
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,419 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    JRant wrote: »
    Because we had a long waiting list before restrictions it's okay then to just keep adding to it with ever increasing numbers then?

    Makes perfect sense.

    No it's not "okay". But again you are avoiding the question.

    I'll try once more.
    Is it your contention that we could have decreased hospital waiting list times with less restrictions?

    While you ponder whether you'll answer or not.

    I read a piece in the BMJ recently that one of the main reasons elective surgeries were cancelled throughout Europe was because anesthetists were redeployed to ICUs and Covid wards, apparently one of their areas of expertise is airway mechanics.

    Now that was good for the patient, but not so good for anesthetists because they were at the cold front i.e. airways is where the virus is shed.

    This of course lead naturally to a shortage of anesthetists because of redeployment and of course being off sick, or isolating.


  • #6405
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    the kelt wrote: »
    To be fair the restrictions taken were necessary, we cannot argue that really, it was and is what it is, but one line stood out for me.

    The U-turns and constant speculation compounded their anxiety, leaving them feeling exposed and unheard    ,”

    That wasn’t necessary, the speculation and kite flying of uncertainty wasn’t a necessary response to the pandemic and imho caused the most frustration amongst people I’ve spoken to.

    I'm perfectly willing to concede that lockdowns in some form were necessary and we can argue about the levels of lockdowns and specifics but to suggest it was the pandemic that hit kids is a falsehood. It was the manner in which we chose to deal with the pandemic.


  • #6406
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Yes but when every other country is making a different choice to you, do you not think to yourself, hang on why are we so different. If it was 60-40 or even 80-20 you could ignore it but we are they only country to say no.

    I still see Bilbao has ceased to exist


  • #6407
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Yes but when every other country is making a different choice to you, do you not think to yourself, hang on why are we so different. If it was 60-40 or even 80-20 you could ignore it but we are they only country to say no.

    Prepare for a "Yes Prime Minister" answer.

    "Nuance, variance, interdepartmental committee, in the fullness of time" etc.


  • #6408
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Yes but when every other country is making a different choice to you

    The same could be said of any country.

    Every country is making different choices.


  • #6409
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Boggles wrote: »
    No it's not "okay". But again you are avoiding the question.

    I'll try once more.



    While you ponder whether you'll answer or not.

    I read a piece in the BMJ recently that one of the main reasons elective surgeries were cancelled throughout Europe was because anesthetists were redeployed to ICUs and Covid wards, apparently one of their areas of expertise is airway mechanics.

    Now that was good for the patient, but not so good for anesthetists because they were at the cold front i.e. airways is where the virus is shed.

    This of course lead naturally to a shortage of anesthetists because of redeployment and of course being off sick, or isolating.

    If one takes a very narrow view of the COVID response to say we've done fairly well then I think it's only appropriate to highlight some of the areas were we have done fairly badly.

    Try all you want but I'm not getting into a debate with you on something I didn't say. If you show me where I said we should have reduced waiting lists I'll take a stab at it.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #6410
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I'd recommend a watch of this video, he covers the issue of Ivermectin well, he has been covering it for some time now...



    Between Antigen tests, Ivermectin and high vaccine take up we should never be placed in any kind of lock down ever again....

    Whatever about the first lock down, you could argue we should never have seen a second lock down, let alone a 7 and a half month one!!!

    There is also a chance youtube will take this video down so it probably won't be there in a few days.


  • #6411
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Graham wrote: »
    The same could be said of any country.

    Every country is making different choices.

    In case you missed it they all made the same choice - to host games.

    Only Ireland said no.


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  • #6412
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,419 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    JRant wrote: »
    If one takes a very narrow view of the COVID response to say we've done fairly well then I think it's only appropriate to highlight some of the areas were we have done fairly badly.

    Indeed, but an appropriate mature analysis would look at it all in context.

    JRant wrote: »
    Try all you want but I'm not getting into a debate with you on something I didn't say. If you show me where I said we should have reduced waiting lists I'll take a stab at it.

    Sure.
    As Glynn said right there, they are responsible for public health. I think allowing waiting lists to double over 12 months and cancelling thousands of procedures while simultaneously locking down the country for prolonged periods is a complete and abject failure
    They have completely failed to protect the health care system. Waiting lists are off the charts amd that's just the start of it. Everything non COVID has been ignored

    So in your own good time.


  • #6413
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I still see Bilbao has ceased to exist

    Is Bilbao a country now?


  • #6414
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    zackory wrote: »
    In case you missed it they all made the same choice - to host games.

    Only Ireland said no.

    Good

    Next


  • #6415
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    I'd recommend a watch of this video, he covers the issue of Ivermectin well, he has been covering it for some time now...



    Between Antigen tests, Ivermectin and high vaccine take up we should never be placed in any kind of lock down ever again....

    Whatever about the first lock down, you could argue we should never have seen a second lock down, let alone a 7 and a half month one!!!
    Just as one could argue we should also see posters not linking to this individual ever again!


  • #6416
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Graham wrote: »
    Good

    Next

    Great contribution there. Well done.


  • #6417
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Just as one could argue we should also see posters not linking to this individual ever again!

    Why because he is dishonest????

    He has been methodical in how he presents his data, and he is completely unbiased and apolitical....


  • #6418
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    zackory wrote: »
    Is Bilbao a country now?

    They make their own public health decisions.

    And Euro 2020 was awarded to cities. not countries


  • #6419
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    zackory wrote: »
    Great contribution there. Well done.

    Yeah, sorry I can't get my knickers knotted about refusing to let a sporting body dictate our pandemic response.

    I can quite honestly say I'm not the last bit bothered they went somewhere else. In fact quite the opposite. I'm glad they did.

    I'd say for most of the population it ranks fairly high on the who-gives-a-s**t-ometer (a handful present here excluded obv.).


  • #6420
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Why because he is dishonest????

    He has been methodical in how he presents his data, and he is completely unbiased and apolitical....
    He has his own agenda, Ivermectin and Vitamin D amongst them, is not a medical doctor and from my very brief exposure to him offers little more than cursory analysis. There are many other better sources, including posters here, but each to their own.


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  • #6421
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Graham wrote: »
    Yeah, sorry I can't get my knickers knotted about refusing to let a sporting body dictate our pandemic response.

    I can quite honestly say I'm not the last bit bothered they went somewhere else. In fact quite the opposite. I'm glad they did.

    I'd say for most of the population it ranks fairly high on the who-gives-a-s**t-ometer (a handful present here excluded obv.).

    I would prefer if we could have judged ourselves able to host the event when being pushed to do so two months ago, but we couldn't, and rightfully so. It wasn't a priority. We would likely have judged it more of a priority had we qualified. But we didn't. So we moved on.


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