Is there any country you would not go to even if you were paid to go there?

biddyearley · 14-06-2021 11:29PM

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

I can confirm that Iran is indeed a great place with amazing, intelligent people.

Was it hard not avoid banging your head off the feet of people hanging from cranes?

breezy1985 · 14-06-2021 11:38PM

john123470 wrote: »

The above could be a verbatim / post mortem / report for a bad pint down the local

.. but .. Factor in the acid trip of colour, drink your senses dry - sights and sounds that is India ..

.. does that beat yet another rainy day down some gomboreen hole in Eireland ?

Theres your Acid test

Sorry now but we are not dumping our Covid dead in the rivers and letting vast potions of the population live without proper sanitation. I'm also not bricking it every time my sister gets a bus in this gombeen hole

As acid tests go India would fail most as a civilization unless you are lucky enough to be born into an upper cast

john123470 · 14-06-2021 11:43PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

From direct experience, I'd take Ireland easily over being back in India. Doesn't matter if it's in Dublin, Athlone, Thurles, or even Longford... Ireland is light years better than India.

For creature comforts, yes

But .. living on the edge .. negotiating 10 lane traffic of cow drawn carts, lunatic cyclists, stray donkeys in any city .. that is India

.. least you get to say you was there ... ran with the bulls .. and survived to say ..
'Even Thurles is better than this .. on a rainy day .. '

Memories eh

14-06-2021 11:50PM

john123470 wrote: »

For creature comforts, yes

But .. living on the edge .. negotiating 10 lane traffic of cow drawn carts, lunatic cyclists, stray donkeys in any city .. that is India

.. least you get to say you was there ... ran with the bulls .. and survived to say ..
'Even Thurles is better than this .. on a rainy day .. '

Memories eh

Huh? Ireland is still better than India. Personally, I'd say that Ireland ranks pretty high compared to most countries, once someone has gained some extensive experience of living abroad.

The lack of severe corruption, lack of police brutality, lack of serious crime, fairly temperate weather, lack of pollution, decent quality of natural foods, etc. all place Ireland as being superior.

Experience has taught me to appreciate Ireland. Sure, there are a rake of downsides, but they're pretty minor compared to most other nations.

As for Thurles.. I lived there for three years, and I wouldn't want to return.. but if my only other option was something equivalent in India.. yeah.. I'd jump at Ireland instead.

john123470 · 15-06-2021 12:24AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Huh? Ireland is still better than India

The lack of severe corruption, lack of police brutality, lack of serious crime, fairly temperate weather, lack of pollution, decent quality of natural foods, etc. all place Ireland as being superior.

Sure, there are a rake of downsides

Lols .. lack of police brutality - how about lack of Police .. i've forgotten what the uniform looks like - navy, wasn't it

'Lack of severe corruption' - well, i can't argue there. Its not severe enough yet by all accounts

Lookit, lets face it .. you took the wrong drugs in India and you didn't manage to get laid ..
Then you got Delhi' belli and mosquitoes made your life a living hell... and all this has coloured your perception of India..

G'wan .. admit it.
Man up

breezy1985 · 15-06-2021 02:14AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Huh? Ireland is still better than India. Personally, I'd say that Ireland ranks pretty high compared to most countries, once someone has gained some extensive experience of living abroad.

The lack of severe corruption, lack of police brutality, lack of serious crime, fairly temperate weather, lack of pollution, decent quality of natural foods, etc. all place Ireland as being superior.

Experience has taught me to appreciate Ireland. Sure, there are a rake of downsides, but they're pretty minor compared to most other nations.

As for Thurles.. I lived there for three years, and I wouldn't want to return.. but if my only other option was something equivalent in India.. yeah.. I'd jump at Ireland instead.

Things are going pretty bad if people leave your country thinking christ ide rather be in Thurles

BeerWolf · 15-06-2021 05:35AM

The ME.

kowloonkev · 15-06-2021 05:48AM

If I was paid to go, or if my trip was paid for of course I would go anywhere. There's no point in being small minded about different political ideologies or regimes. It's better to go to places and understand more about them than having assumptions given to me by others.

daniel_h · 15-06-2021 07:06AM

Russia, Belarus, Hungary...

mcgragger · 15-06-2021 07:22AM

India. Without a shadow of a doubt I'd absolutely hate it.
Too many people and filthy according to what I've seen on TV and heard from people that were there. I don't think I'd be relaxed for one minute

chosen1 · 15-06-2021 07:47AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Huh? Ireland is still better than India. Personally, I'd say that Ireland ranks pretty high compared to most countries, once someone has gained some extensive experience of living abroad.

The lack of severe corruption, lack of police brutality, lack of serious crime, fairly temperate weather, lack of pollution, decent quality of natural foods, etc. all place Ireland as being superior.

Experience has taught me to appreciate Ireland. Sure, there are a rake of downsides, but they're pretty minor compared to most other nations.

As for Thurles.. I lived there for three years, and I wouldn't want to return.. but if my only other option was something equivalent in India.. yeah.. I'd jump at Ireland instead.

You'll have someone come along shortly to tell you that Ireland is the most corrupt country in the world with a 3rd world health service.

One of the best things I ever did was travel extensively when I could. As well as seeing brilliant sights and cultures, it really gives you an appreciation of what we have in Ireland and the benefits of living in a well developed country.

Fully aware that not all things are perfect and we should strive to improve ourselves in many areas but I would take living here over most of the countries I've visited.

15-06-2021 09:32AM

john123470 wrote: »

G'wan .. admit it.
Man up

TBF, you sound like a teenager considering the language you're throwing out.

So, I'll leave it at that since you're showing your ignorance every time you try to be cool. :rolleyes:

Chinasea · 15-06-2021 12:28PM

Oh look another racist post. &#55357;&#56900;

john123470 · 15-06-2021 01:17PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

TBF, you sound like a teenager considering the language you're throwing out.

So, I'll leave it at that since you're showing your ignorance every time you try to be cool. :rolleyes:

You got me, damn. You're sharp !

Memories of my Indian travels are flooding back now. Travelling thru Bangalore, capital of Karnataka. People sat outside their humble wooden houses, sat amongst cows - the cow is sacred in Hindu religion. Just like a 16th century postcard. Poor, peaceful and happy

Biking around Karnataka, you turn a corner and theres a 13th century temple in the middle of a field. Like a vision

Turn another corner and theres the most beautiful girl you ever clapped eyes on .. walking toward you with a steaming cow**** in her hand. They have various uses for cow feces. The speed and deftness involved in getting a shot of the girl and her cowpatty before she can say, No !! ðŸ˜±

A rave on a beach in Goa where a German woman took advantage of me with a full on harvest moon beating down .. that real hands-on, can do German spirit. Unforgettable. I still have sand in my hair

I could go on .. but whats the point. Nobody cares

I will say tho that I never once wished myself in Thurles during my time in India. Also, i hear that cows are treated abominably in Thurles

Yurt2 · 15-06-2021 01:22PM

john123470 wrote: »

I will say tho that I never once wished myself in Thurles during my time in India. Also, i hear that cows are treated abominably in Thurles

I know. Maybe if I was in a Turkish prison or stuck down a crevasse halfway up K2 I might wish I was in Thurles, but apart from those discreet scenarios, I'd hope I never wish to be in Thurles in my entire life.

Mister Vain · 15-06-2021 01:27PM

The Goa raves look like great craic in fairness.

15-06-2021 01:33PM

Chinasea wrote: »

Oh look another racist post. ��

huh? What's racist in my post?

ShatterAlan · 15-06-2021 01:53PM

biddyearley wrote: »

immigration officer tried to keep my passport wanted me to pay to give it back. Scam central the whole place. Want to jump the queue? Flash a US dollar, you're straight to the top. whatever you want, security men/cops/soldiers will kick everyone out of the way for a buck. Everything about the place is bad. Cairo is a giant collapsing city, and it's to do with Nasser freezing all rents at 1954 rates to the current day. From my 14th floor the clouds were the smog of 3 million vehicles on the streets. No car lanes so no lane discipline. Dead donkeys and horses dumped in the irrigation canals. Plastic choking the rivers and canals, as if the recycling lorries just tipped stuff in 24/7. Scam central, the whole place. Topped by a violent military which controls everything and pulls people off the street at a whim.

It's all in Allah's hands, apparently.

These conditions exist because of puppet dictators installed by Western governments. Crush the people lest they get any notions of democracy that might give them a say in the running of the country.

enricoh · 15-06-2021 01:53PM

Yurt! wrote: »

I know. Maybe if I was in a Turkish prison or stuck down a crevasse halfway up K2 I might wish I was in Thurles, but apart from those discreet scenarios, I'd hope I never wish to be in Thurles in my entire life.

Each to their own, had great craic down at the last feile down there. Went to a Munster hurling final down there n had a great session afterwards.
Was in Nepal 10 year ago n every single traveller I met that came up from India just shook their head n said no!

15-06-2021 01:55PM

Sri Lanka was enough for me. Everyone describes the experience as India-lite. Lovely time there but wouldn't fancy the chaos of much of India. Would have to be paid to go as I'd pick many places before it.

jmreire · 15-06-2021 03:00PM

ShatterAlan wrote: »

These conditions exist because of puppet dictators installed by Western governments. Crush the people lest they get any notions of democracy that might give them a say in the running of the country.

India has been independant since 1947, more than 70 years ago, while Iran removed the Shah in 1979, President Nasser kicked out the western foreigners in 1956,what happened in Egypt since then, is entirely an internal Egyptian matter.
These countrys at least have not been subjected to Western interference in their affairs since those times. Democracy, as we know it in the West, is a foreign concept in the ME.

Tchaikovsky · 15-06-2021 03:03PM

biddyearley wrote: »

Was it hard not avoid banging your head off the feet of people hanging from cranes?

Dunno, too busy going to house parties with a local girl that my mate met on Tinder.

breezy1985 · 15-06-2021 03:03PM

enricoh wrote: »

Each to their own, had great craic down at the last feile down there. Went to a Munster hurling final down there n had a great session afterwards.
Was in Nepal 10 year ago n every single traveller I met that came up from India just shook their head n said no!

Best thing about Semple is it's close to the train station for a quick in and out. Absolute kip of a stadium too and I don't understand the fawning over it just cause the lads choose a hotel near by

NoLuckLarry · 15-06-2021 03:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

huh? What's racist in my post?

Ah it's just a term these soft minded kids throw around these days without any thought, I wouldn't pay any attention to it.

15-06-2021 03:44PM

ShatterAlan wrote: »

These conditions exist because of puppet dictators installed by Western governments. Crush the people lest they get any notions of democracy that might give them a say in the running of the country.

Hardly. These conditions exist in many nations who have limited involvement with western governments. It's pretty common throughout the world. Take a gander at most nations in Asia, Africa, etc, and you'll find a wide range of corrupt systems, most of which exists without western influence.

breezy1985 · 15-06-2021 03:52PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hardly. These conditions exist in many nations who have limited involvement with western governments. It's pretty common throughout the world. Take a gander at most nations in Asia, Africa, etc, and you'll find a wide range of corrupt systems, most of which exists without western influence.

Take a gander at most of Asia or Africa and you will find a country currently or historically under the thumb. Sadly a lot of these countries much like Ireland were left with a gutted civil service and an uneducated population when the colonials pulled out leaving them desperate and ripe for exploitation.

Like when holy mother church kindly offered to run our schools

Yurt2 · 15-06-2021 04:12PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Take a gander at most of Asia or Africa and you will find a country currently or historically under the thumb. Sadly a lot of these countries much like Ireland were left with a gutted civil service and an uneducated population when the colonials pulled out leaving them desperate and ripe for exploitation.

Like when holy mother church kindly offered to run our schools

Ireland had a pretty cohesive civil service staffed by Irish (and enough Anglo-Irish still knocking about) from independence.

In the cases of India and Africa, the locals were often given the reigns and trusted to run things long before the British left. If you were in early 20th century London, you'd see people of all colours from across the Empire in colleges or crown institutions being apprenticed in affairs of the State to go back to their home countries and assume fairly high levels of responsibility. In French colonies, generally, the opposite was the case, and 'the natives' were kept far away from positions of importance.

Singapore is an example of a country that took the ball and ran with it, like other former British ran states, it had an experienced cadre of civil servants that were often educated in Britain (Lee Kwan Yew trained as a barrister in London for instance).

India and Hong Kong are notable in that snooty Anglophiles still exist at the upper echelons of their society; fond of the days when their families and patronage networks were plucked out by the British and given high-status occupations. It's a weird phenomenon in India, you'll often see elite high-caste Indians decrying the Empire and the shoddy state of things are down to the depredations of colonialism, yet they live their lives like a lowland Scot in a British hill station in Darjeeling, complete with tea, scones and strawberries looking down their noses at low caste Indians (and their son or daughter is always studying in the UK if you ask).

15-06-2021 04:55PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Take a gander at most of Asia or Africa and you will find a country currently or historically under the thumb. Sadly a lot of these countries much like Ireland were left with a gutted civil service and an uneducated population when the colonials pulled out leaving them desperate and ripe for exploitation.

Like when holy mother church kindly offered to run our schools

You're giving far too much credit to colonialism, and the influence of Europeans. Most African colonies were administered by Africans educated by their colonial masters (since few Europeans wanted to stay in the colonies), who were left behind when the colonies were abandoned. Now, admittedly, in many cases, these educated/skilled groups were killed by insurgents or during the following civil eruptions, but these countries all had a foundation to educate further people had they wished. In any case, in most of these countries they've had sixty plus years of independence, with volunteers from religious, NGOs or private concerns, offering/selling the knowledge needed to operate a nation.

Just as the angle of exploitation is used too often to excuse the poor or corrupt choices of the ruling classes, or those governments that emerged. They made their own choices, and invited in western governments or companies, because they saw a benefit for themselves. They weren't innocent naive little doves being abused by people sneakier than them. In most cases, these countries had their own long history of abuse, corruption and exploitation of either their own people, or that of their neighbors.

It's just the same with the revisionist history that seeks to excuse the long established African slave trade that existed long before the White man came along. Pass off all responsibility on to Westerners, and that way, everyone is a blameless victim.

Larbre34 · 15-06-2021 04:56PM

Hungary.

Yurt2 · 15-06-2021 05:00PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Hungary.

Jaybus lads, have you not been to Budapest? A beautiful classic European capital dripping with history and class. The Danube, great hill walking and wine country not too far away.

Peoples' bar is very high if we're turning our noses up at somewhere like Hungary. Yeah Orban is a sh*te but you won't be asked to sit down for dinner with him or anything.

Is there any country you would not go to even if you were paid to go there?

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