French Open 2021

yerwanthere123 · 14-06-2021 12:12am

I'm sure Djokovic won't be getting too ahead of himself right now, but CYGS must be on his mind. Is never usually an option with Nadal's dominance of RG but looking at the rest of he field, he'll never get a better chance.

14-06-2021 12:13am

Girly Gal wrote: »

He's won 3 of the last 5 slams played, disqualified from one ( US 20) and lost to Nadal in the other (FO 20), so unless he suffers an injury which is possible or a serious dip in form he'll have 21 by AO next year at the latest, would expect him to pick up at least one more by end of 22 to bring him to 22

yes I did say at least.

sort of worst case scenario for him.

forumdedum · 14-06-2021 12:14am

glasso wrote: »

Hewitt was gritty but by the time Fed was winning he was totally ineffective.

Roddick was pretty much no better than a Cilic or a Raonic.

There was very poor competition on grass in those days.

Federer set the standard on grass, Nadal eventually got to his level on that surface though in my opinion damaged his body in the process.

Federer made too much hard work of beating Roddick in Wimbledon final.

14-06-2021 12:18am

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

I'm sure Djokovic won't be getting too ahead of himself right now, but CYGS must be on his mind. Is never usually an option with Nadal's dominance of RG but looking at the rest of he field, he'll never get a better chance.

he has a chance but still very difficult.

that's why it hasn't been done since 1969 and even then many top players didn't really play all of the GS events.

but it would really put the icing on the cake for him and blow the GOAT argument out of the water.

yerwanthere123 · 14-06-2021 12:21am

I think the GOAT debate is likely done at this stage. Multiple slams at all four, h2h's with his main rivals, weeks at #1 plus masters record as well I think? He's there. Well unless Nadal springs an unexpected late challenge, but not likely.

Girly Gal · 14-06-2021 12:22am

glasso wrote: »

yes I did say at least.

sort of worst case scenario for him.

Expect him to be on at least 22

14-06-2021 12:25am

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

I think the GOAT debate is likely done at this stage. Multiple slams at all four, h2h's with his main rivals, weeks at #1 plus masters record as well I think? He's there. Well unless Nadal springs an unexpected late challenge, but not likely.

yes I've no doubt that he is but a calendar grand slam would mean that even the absolute Federer or Nadal die-hards would also have to concede that he is.

forumdedum · 14-06-2021 12:26am

glasso wrote: »

yes I've no doubt that he is but a calendar grand slam would mean that even the absolute Federer or Nadal die-hards would also have to concede that he is.

He could win 100 and I would never concede.

Girly Gal · 14-06-2021 12:30am

glasso wrote: »

yes I've no doubt that he is but a calendar grand slam would mean that even the absolute Federer or Nadal die-hards would also have to concede that he is.

Some will never concede, that's why they're die hard fans, also everyone is entitled to their own opinion, that's part of the fun in sport and makes it interesting, be a bit boring if everyone held the same view.

14-06-2021 12:31am

forumdedum wrote: »

He could win 100 and I would never concede.

good to know.

but that's impossible so is moot.

if he managed to win the calendar slam it would be just a dissenting voice that nobody would pay much heed to

Most Fed fans were ok with Djokovic until he started beating him at every single grand slam they met at

9 years and counting.

someyoke · 14-06-2021 12:31am

forumdedum wrote: »

Federer was older? That's the sad part. At his peak no one could lace his boots.

Fed was 37 yo, 40-15 up on serve with championship point. Ballsed it up. Would have been his greatest win easily. He doesn't seem to do regrets but if he did that would be his biggest

forumdedum · 14-06-2021 12:34am

someyoke wrote: »

Fed was 37 yo, 40-15 up on serve with championship point. Ballsed it up. Would have been his greatest win easily. He doesn't seem to do regrets but if he did that would be his biggest

Yes, gifted a slam to Djokovic. Just like today in some ways

forumdedum · 14-06-2021 12:36am

glasso wrote: »

good to know.

but that's impossible so is moot.

if he managed to win the calendar slam it would be just a dissenting voice that nobody would pay much heed to

Most Fed fans were ok with Djokovic until he started beating him at every single grand slam they met at

9 years and counting.

I would need to do more research but Federer was not at his peak

14-06-2021 12:41am

forumdedum wrote: »

I would need to do more research but Federer was not at his peak

I've just done a calculation and the total career Grand Slam events Djokovic Vs Federer head-to-head is an absolutely crushing

12 to 4 in favour of Novak Djokovic

No wonder the Fed-heads just can't accept him

He has absolutely wiped the floor with dear Roger at the majors

forumdedum · 14-06-2021 12:48am

glasso wrote: »

I've just done a calculation and the total career Grand Slam events Djokovic Vs Federer head-to-head is an absolutely crushing

12 to 4 in favour of Novak Djokovic

No wonder the Fed-heads just can't accept him

He has absolutely wiped the floor with dear Roger at the majors

I used to love watching Djokovic until he turned extremely negative.

Federer is the best tennis player I have ever seen. Nothing will change my opinion on that.

14-06-2021 12:49am

forumdedum wrote: »

I used to love watching Djokovic until he turned extremely negative.

Federer is the best tennis player I have ever seen. Nothing will change my opinion on that.

until he started beating the crap out of Fed at the slams you mean :pac:

with that record it just looks like sour grapes.

it just does.

forumdedum · 14-06-2021 12:50am

glasso wrote: »

until he started beating the crap out of Fed you mean :pac:

That Wimbledon final was the last straw. Fed wrapped the slam in a bow for him. That's not winning in my book.

You have not taken the fact that the boring one is 5 years younger. That is the only reason Federer lost so much to him.

14-06-2021 12:52am

forumdedum wrote: »

That Wimbledon final was the last straw. Fed wrapped the slam in a bow for him. That's not winning in my book.

QED

Hector Savage · 14-06-2021 8:21am

forumdedum wrote: »

Crying shame Federer messed up that Wimbledon to move 2 ahead of Djokovic. Federer outclassed him and somehow lost.

Hector Savage · 14-06-2021 8:25am

lostcat wrote: »

If Nadal had put away that volley the other night he may well have won the match and, as someone said above, he would probalby have made shorter work of Tsitisipas today than Djokovic did. et voila, 21.

A lot of the younger guys have a game thats a decent fit for grass, so I wouldn't have Djokovic as hot favourite for Wimbledon, just favourite.
The US is wide open at this stage also I think so Djokovic getting to 20+ is still going to take a small bit of doing.
I think Nadal is going to need, as you say, a good slice of luck to win a slam this side of next years French. And Tsitsipas will be a year stronger by then then, Thiem might be back, and Nadal might be seeded 4 or 5.

If my Auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle!!

walshb · 14-06-2021 8:29am

forumdedum wrote: »

That Wimbledon final was the last straw. Fed wrapped the slam in a bow for him. That's not winning in my book.

You have not taken the fact that the boring one is 5 years younger. That is the only reason Federer lost so much to him.

Nole has been getting wins for 13/14 years vs Federer..

This age excuse is lame..

Since 2011, when Roger was 29/30 and still very much brilliant, he was winning and losing vs Nole..22/10 Nole since 2011..

14-06-2021 9:13am

The record at slams is actually 11-6

for ND vs Fed

I rechecked it. The counting was not so accurate lol last night

Still utterly dominant and a big reason that the Fed-heads just can't give credit to Djokovic

including a 3-1 record at Wimbledon in favour of Djokovic

whiterebel · 14-06-2021 10:10am

Just gone up 1000% in my estimation, Stefanos. I don't know how you even went on court, never mind win 2 sets. Federer should read this and have a word with himself. The ones on here calling him a bottler would want to do the same.

"Life isn't about winning or losing. It's about enjoying every single moment in life whether that's alone or with others. Living a meaningful life without misery and abjection. Lifting trophies and celebrating wins is something, but not everything. 5 minutes before entering the court my very beloved grandmother lost her battle with life. A wise woman whose faith in life, and willingness to give and provide can't be compared to any other human being that I have ever met. It's important to have more people like her in this world. Because people like her make you come alive. They make you dream. I would like to say that regardless of the day, circumstance or situation, this is entirely dedicated to her, and only her. Thank you for for raising my father. Without him this wouldn't have been possible."

Rob2D · 14-06-2021 10:15am

He found out afterwards.

Furze99 · 14-06-2021 10:17am

That's extraordinary if he got news of his granny's death just before going on court - Tsipsitas looked really calm and 'in the zone' in the first two sets. Loads of people were rooting for him. It's a great pity he didn't prevail as players of his age and skill should be winning major tournaments in big physical battles like this.

As regards the match, it seemed to turn abruptly at the end of the second set - Djok off to the bathroom for some 'magic' and Tsipsitas getting treatment. Still defies how men in their mid 30s can physically overcome young players in their prime.

C__MC · 14-06-2021 10:17am

forumdedum wrote: »

Federer set the standard on grass, Nadal eventually got to his level on that surface though in my opinion damaged his body in the process.

Federer made too much hard work of beating Roddick in Wimbledon final.

Roddick was unlucky in 04 and 09
Didn't take his chances
He had some serve mind you

C__MC · 14-06-2021 10:22am

Some of the slams Djockovic has when his back was to the wall has been ridiculous

This years FO and AO 2012 and Wimbledon 19 really stand out.

He's a remarkable athlete made of steel

C__MC · 14-06-2021 10:23am

It's actually mad warwinka is a Wimbledon away from a career slam

Haha

whiterebel · 14-06-2021 10:29am

Rob2D wrote: »

He found out afterwards.

So he's lying?

josip · 14-06-2021 10:29am

In fairness to the Nadal supporters, most now acknowledge that Djokovic is at least as good as Nadal.
A few holdout Federer supporters, no longer having the stats to argue with, are retreating behind arguments like 'most natural player', 'greatest ability', 'nicest to watch'.
It's great to read, and I am so enjoying every single one of their posts.
My only worry is that I'll run out of popcorn.
Idemo.

French Open 2021

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